Captain Marvel Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[MbJ]

Her talents would be best served as civilian #7 with no lines.

"Hostage with mouth taped shut #3" when Carol has to stop a bank robber.

 

[Darkraid]

"Hostage with mouth taped shut #3" when Carol has to stop a bank robber.

More like mute thug #4

But seriously, I think she would be great as She-Hulk.

 

[flickchick85]

Except the part where She-Hulk is a highly skilled lawyer who would also, like Carol, require an actual actress to portray her believably.

 

[Havok83]

she can be one of the dumb female Hulk knockoffs

 

[Loki882]

I think that people hope that the Marvel that cast a 46 year old Paul Rudd as Ant-Man don't believe that an actress has to be below the age of 25 in order to play Captain Marvel. I love plenty of younger actresses but they shouldn't be the only ones scoring roles. The extreme ageism towards actresses is disgusting and I want it to stop.

Brie Larson in 2018 (when they will probably start filming) is the only really young actress that I hope gets the role.

Also IM, Hulk, and Hawkeye (who has no superpowers) are all played by guys in the 40's. BP, who was JUST cast, is being played by a guy who's nearly 40. Yet Scarlett (who I DO like) and Liz Olsen were both in their 20's when they were cast, and Olsen still is.

Someone in their mid to late 30's would be an acceptable age to play Carol imo.

 

[Mike5575]

Exactly.

And to add to that, Carol Danvers is one of the few Marvel characters we've gotten who had a pretty well-established career experience before becoming a superhero, so there should be a pretty clear target age. In the old comics, she's an Air Force major, for which the average age is 33. Since we can assume she's one of the best who rose through the ranks rather quickly, your target range for an actress to play that version would probably be ages 28-35. However, in current comics, she's a colonel with a lot more authority, and the average age for a colonel in the Air Force is...ready for this? Age 45. It is straight up IMPOSSIBLE to become a colonel in today's Air Force in your 20's. So the target range for that version of Carol should be late-30's to late-40's.

Of course they don't have to go with either of those ranks - maybe they'll split the difference and make her a Lt. Colonel - but my point is simple. I just want Marvel to cast Carol at an age appropriate to her experience (whichever rank/experience they choose to give her), as they have done now with Ant-Man (a divorced father formerly respected in his field), Captain America (a young man who volunteered to serve his country during wartime), Thor (an immature young prince), Rhodey (another decorated Air Force Colonel), etc.

A 45 year old Carol Danvers? No thank you. The actress would be pushing 60 by the time the CM trilogy is over. That thought is more cringe-worthy than casting Brienne of Tarth from GOT.

Marvel has hardly ever shown to be accurate on such details of rank. Maybe Carol was just so awesome, that they promoted her to the rank of Colonel at age 33. Or maybe, comic book writers don't know the difference between a Lt. Col. and a Col.

In the MCU, Carol Danvers will be given the rank appropriate age for her rank, which would probably be that of Major. Don't worry, she still outranks Captain America, so there might be some of that fun, come Infinity War.

 

[Havok83]

Also IM, Hulk, and Hawkeye (who has no superpowers) are all played by guys in the 40's. BP, who was JUST cast, is being played by a guy who's nearly 40. Yet Scarlett (who I DO like) and Liz Olsen were both in their 20's when they were cast, and Olsen still is.

Someone in their mid to late 30's would be an acceptable age to play Carol imo.

yeah but on the flipside you had Captain America, Quicksilver, Loki and Thor who were all cast with men in their 20s. I persomally always thought Hemsworth was too young for the role

 

[Mike5575]

she can be one of the dumb female Hulk knockoffs

Just have her to the voice acting for Red She-Hulk on Agents of Smash. That show is so dumbed down, her non-acting may not be that bad.

 

[MbJ]

Also IM, Hulk, and Hawkeye (who has no superpowers) are all played by guys in the 40's. BP, who was JUST cast, is being played by a guy who's nearly 40. Yet Scarlett (who I DO like) and Liz Olsen were both in their 20's when they were cast, and Olsen still is.

Someone in their mid to late 30's would be an acceptable age to play Carol imo.

Exactly. Also, skewing young made sense for Wanda since she was a teenager when she first appeared in the comics. Carol is the one Avenger I think should absolutely not look like a young doe-eyed teen.

I still remember the ridiculous casting for the Green Lantern movie where they had Carol Ferris played by Blake Lively. It looked like Ryan Reynolds was trying to act opposite a grade schooler.

 

[Loki882]

^Which is kind of ironic/amusing considering that she's now his wife (and they're expecting a child together). And I wasn't saying that casting Wanda young didn't make sense (it does), merely highlighting how the casting for male and female characters tends to be treated differently.

 

[cph9fa]

It's kinda funny... we now have a female blond flying brick superhero named Danvers.

Just in the wrong universe!

(I'm referring to Supergirl, of course)

 

[Mike Murdock]

Was Supergirl always known as Kara Danvers? That certainly seems confusing.

 

[superboy13]

Was Supergirl always known as Kara Danvers? That certainly seems confusing.

She was originally Linda Lee Danvers, back in 1961. But yeah, still Danvers and pre-dates Carol.

 

[Havok83]

Was Supergirl always known as Kara Danvers? That certainly seems confusing.

She was Linda Danvers or Kara Kent. This show just meshed the two names together.

It's kinda funny... we now have a female blond flying brick superhero named Danvers.

Just in the wrong universe!

(I'm referring to Supergirl, of course)

By the time Captain Marvel debuts people will think she's a knockoff of Supergirl. I wonder what effect that might have on her

 

[MbJ]

I don't think it will have much of an effect or make a difference. Supergirl is a pop culture icon and most people have never heard of Carol, so let's face it, a blond flying brick with energy blasting powers was always going to draw comparisons from some people. Just like the idiots who complained Arrow was a rip-off of Hawkeye.

Supergirl getting a hit TV show isn't really gonna cause more of an issue since the issue, however minor, already existed. It'll be fine just as long as they market it right.

 

[Havok83]

Supergirl getting a hit TV show isn't really gonna cause more of an issue since the issue, however minor, already existed. It'll be fine just as long as they market it right.

that particular issue never existed. Supergirl the TV show is the first instance where she has been known as Kara Danvers

 

[Mike5575]

She was Linda Danvers or Kara Kent. This show just meshed the two names together.


By the time Captain Marvel debuts people will think she's a knockoff of Supergirl. I wonder what effect that might have on her

It would likely have a negligible effect if any at all. You'll hear some random people talk about it on message boards like this one when her movie comes out, but it's not like it's going to effect sales.

yeah but on the flipside you had Captain America, Quicksilver, Loki and Thor who were all cast with men in their 20s. I persomally always thought Hemsworth was too young for the role

Intersting fun fact: Zoe Saldana was cast as Gamora when she was 34. This gives me hope.

 

[MbJ]

that particular issue never existed. Supergirl the TV show is the first instance where she has been known as Kara Danvers

I'm not talking about the name. I'm talking about the fact that Carol was always a blond flying brick with energy powers and the last name "Danvers", meaning that regardless of Kara's real name, some folks were inevitably going to compare the two.

Surface similarities are nothing new. I saw people asking if Quicksilver was supposed to be the Flash when the AOU TV spots were out.

 

[Mike Murdock]

She was Linda Danvers or Kara Kent. This show just meshed the two names together.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I thought she had Linda somewhere.

 

[BarryAllen]

I'm not talking about the name. I'm talking about the fact that Carol was always a blond flying brick with energy powers and the last name "Danvers", meaning that regardless of Kara's real name, some folks were inevitably going to compare the two.

Surface similarities are nothing new. I saw people asking if Quicksilver was supposed to be the Flash when the AOU TV spots were out.

I've always wondered if DC tried to do those kinds of moves to say they got there first. Like they put Arrow out around the time Hawkeye was getting spotlight in the Avengers, Flash when Quicksilver was announced for AOU, Vixen before Black Panther, Constantine before Doctor Strange, Atom before Ant-man, and now Supergirl before Captain Marvel. Coincidence much or was it planned?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think that studios are above petty tactics as Fox has proven over and over again but I seriously doubt WB cared about Hawkeye, anymore than most people do, one way or the other. I think they wanted to make a Batman Begins type television show and Green Arrow is just who they happen to choose. I think Flash and SuperGirl are on air because Arrow became a hit. Flash had a t.v show previously, a revival of an old show is nothing new. I think they are exploiting their properties that they never did before after the Superhero boom Marvel created.

I don't think that it's unreasonable to look at the Atom thing with suspicion but the rest? Don't see it.

 

[BoredGuy]

Atom, yes, that seemed like a move aimed firmly at "we did it first"
and 'Kara Danvers' (not Supergirl, just the alias) definitely has the stink of "hahaha f*** them!"

but I agree the rest are probably more coincidence than anything

Archers have just been hot lately, what with Brave, Hunger Games, Hawkeye and Arrow and video games like Tomb Raider
and speedsters they finally know how to make look cool (though I think Flash often looks cheesy while running on the show)

 

[metaphysician]

I've always wondered if DC tried to do those kinds of moves to say they got there first. Like they put Arrow out around the time Hawkeye was getting spotlight in the Avengers, Flash when Quicksilver was announced for AOU, Vixen before Black Panther, Constantine before Doctor Strange, Atom before Ant-man, and now Supergirl before Captain Marvel. Coincidence much or was it planned?

Eh, I kind of doubt it. That would imply more forethought and planning competence than WB has yet to demonstrate. I'm sure at some random points they've thought "Hey, lets get one up on Marvel", but it actually happening? Probably just blind luck.

 

[MbJ]

I've always wondered if DC tried to do those kinds of moves to say they got there first. Like they put Arrow out around the time Hawkeye was getting spotlight in the Avengers, Flash when Quicksilver was announced for AOU, Vixen before Black Panther, Constantine before Doctor Strange, Atom before Ant-man, and now Supergirl before Captain Marvel. Coincidence much or was it planned?

Probably coincidence. Constantine was a full 2 years before Doctor Strange and given how long it takes for a tV show to get into production I doubt Strange was even a blip on the radar.

For a lot of these the turn around time alone makes it really unlikely that they were doing it to spite Marvel.

 

[DrCosmic]

Exactly.

And to add to that, Carol Danvers is one of the few Marvel characters we've gotten who had a pretty well-established career experience before becoming a superhero, so there should be a pretty clear target age. In the old comics, she's an Air Force major, for which the average age is 33. Since we can assume she's one of the best who rose through the ranks rather quickly, your target range for an actress to play that version would probably be ages 28-35. However, in current comics, she's a colonel with a lot more authority, and the average age for a colonel in the Air Force is...ready for this? Age 45. It is straight up IMPOSSIBLE to become a colonel in today's Air Force in your 20's. So the target range for that version of Carol should be late-30's to late-40's.

Of course they don't have to go with either of those ranks - maybe they'll split the difference and make her a Lt. Colonel - but my point is simple. I just want Marvel to cast Carol at an age appropriate to her experience (whichever rank/experience they choose to give her), as they have done now with Ant-Man (a divorced father formerly respected in his field), Captain America (a young man who volunteered to serve his country during wartime), Thor (an immature young prince), Rhodey (another decorated Air Force Colonel), etc.

I really don't like it when characters are as experienced as they are in current comics from their first MCU appearance/origin story. They should start at the beginning, generally speaking. I'm sure there are exceptions, but yeah. Casting early 30s seems the best bet in general, but there are some actors that you make an exception for, like a Theron or something.