Captain Marvel Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 3

[Wildcard]

That's the same vibe I get. She always comes across as a genuinely positive person, I don't see her slandering anyone or putting anyone down but I always see her encouraging others & trying to spread positivity. One of the main reasons (outside of her being a phenomenal talent) I think she's perfect for CM.

 

[Mike5575]

I'm sure Ms. Larson is a very bright woman who has come to different conclusions that you have and I'm also "quite" sure she's heard all of the arguments opposing her own political beliefs. I personally believe....ehhh....never mind.

Anyway. Brie is way cool IMO.

It's possible she has, but it's also likely she's in a bubble, like so many Hollywood actors. Like, just check out Chris Evans' Twitter feed. When fans reply to his political posts with a "Yes, dad", It's hard not to see how they would not live in a bubble.

I think that, in most cases, we all believe our views are right. Most of us have done volunteer/charity work. Most of the people in my family consider themselves "conservative", but, almost to a person, conservative means "civil liberties" and, as such, they support marriage equality (for example) and feel that religion has NO role in our public life.

I disagree with the notion that religion has no role in public life. Are you inferring that people should keep their religious beliefs at home and away from the public sphere? Because, that's impossible. We believe what we believe, and our beliefs inform our actions. In regards to same sex marriage, that should be a state's rights issue. The 10th amendment exists for a reason.

That, my friend, is a loaded statement and I have NO idea what you are talking about. Some will say that believing in the biblical "god" is the truth.

Does 1+ 1 = 2? Math, in and of itself, is a construct that allows us to explain observable phenomena. When our ideas about "math" don't work anymore, we come up with other ideas that explain what we observe. Take, for example, the concept of "i" in mathematics. It is that number, when you square it, gives you the number of -1. Try and wrap your head around that concept, but, without, "i", we wouldn't be able to solve a lot of very complicated problems we have addressed. Does that make "i" a "truth"? IMO, it does not. It simply allows us to address/explain issues that confront us. When those explanations don't work anymore (think Newton v Einstein explanations), we go on to "fix" those problems. Also, think about Roman Numerals....I is "1", V is "5" and you add or subtract by putting one in front of the other. I'm sure there were people who lived thousands of years ago who took that numerical system as "truth". Fortunately for us, there were others who thought differently.

Anyway, we both love the fact that Brie was cast and we're all good.

Sorry for the diatribe, but we need to think outside the box if we're going to move forward. Most of the time we're wrong, but there's always that one gem out there where the lightbulb goes off and we make huge leaps.

What I meant about truth is simple. This one poster said that it's a problem that I think Brie is wrong. Why is that? Can't people be wrong and others be wright about some things or have facts all been replaced by opinions?

Now, algebra, calculus isn't really my thing, but there is nothing wrong about Roman Numerals. Roman Numerals are not wrong. Arabic Numerals just happen to be more efficient. So, I guess there's more than one way to skin a cat.

I didn't want to get into specifics, because this is a Brie/Carol thread, and don't want to get into a heated political debate. An example of where I think Brie is wrong is where it comes to social issues. Just like some people, she automatically assumes something MUST be racist or sexist without even considering other alternatives. People should wait until the facts come in before making any judgements. I also think intersectionality is racist. It implies that me, as a white, cis-gendered male, that my opinion matters the least. It's reverse racism of the highest order. Brie can believe what she wants, and she's obviously a lovely, lovely young woman, but I just think that she's wrong.

 

[Mike5575]

I really liked what Brie had to say about being a woman in movies and how it needs to be so much more than just making a woman tough like "one of the guys." In your opinion, what movies have succeeded at this and what movies have failed? There hasn't been a whole lot of those type of films, but Aliens and Mad Max come to mind. Aliens is too old for me to remember, and I've never seen Mad Max. I saw a review online that didn't consider Furiosa to be a strong female character. She was more like a woman playing a strong male role. Is there any sense to this? Do movies too often take the lazy route in regards to lead female characters? What should we expect from Captain Marvel? A headstrong military leader with a softer feminine side? How will they balance between being another character and being this strong female character? Personally, I loved it in this one press junket when Scarlett Johansson was asked how it was working with so many male characters. "Are you like one of the guys on set?" She laughed and said "I'm never one of the guys."

 

[Iceman]

A lot of these roles occur in survival, combat and military situations so I would expect most of the characters (including female) to exhibit some of the characteristics required such as being tough for that (which I guess are what is being labelled male). When in a romcom or drama those are not important so no need for it there of course.

 

[Abudefduf]

I also think intersectionality is racist. It implies that me, as a white, cis-gendered male, that my opinion matters the least.

On issues about which you have no first-hand experience? Yeah, yeah it kind of does and for obvious reasons, and I'm saying this as another WCGM, or whatever the acronym for people like us is.

But I agree, let's not derail the thread. On the topic of Strong Female Characters™, well, all I'm gonna say is that they're the bane of my existence. No real person is "strong" all the time, that's just silly. What a good character, especially a leading one, should be is nuanced.

Tl;dr version: just faithfully adapt DeConnick's Carol and I'm good.

 

[Darepool]

I basically ignore Brie's twitter feed. I just found it was putting me off the film. I don't need someone politics in my face all the time, whether I agree or not. Perhaps things have quieted down a bit, don't know, don't care. Her opinion is of no more value to me then any average working stiff, it's actually less.

 

[Darepool]

She's still preaching on twitter. I wish she'd speak in her own voice more often and not just come across as an arm to the Democratic Party.

 

[Panacea]

Almost all of the actors are like that unfortunately, to varying degrees.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

The last few pages tell me that a lot of meninists will be really ******** over this film once it comes out.

 

[Darepool]

 

[GeckoMoria]

She's still preaching on twitter. I wish she'd speak in her own voice more often and not just come across as an arm to the Democratic Party.

It's her twitter and she can post whatever she wants. Letting someone's political beliefs inlfuence your opinion for their acting or your anticipation over a film is stupid and i hope you realize this soon. She can write whatever she wants

 

[InCali]

It's possible she has, but it's also likely she's in a bubble, like so many Hollywood actors. Like, just check out Chris Evans' Twitter feed. When fans reply to his political posts with a "Yes, dad", It's hard not to see how they would not live in a bubble.



I disagree with the notion that religion has no role in public life. Are you inferring that people should keep their religious beliefs at home and away from the public sphere? Because, that's impossible. We believe what we believe, and our beliefs inform our actions. In regards to same sex marriage, that should be a state's rights issue. The 10th amendment exists for a reason.




What I meant about truth is simple. This one poster said that it's a problem that I think Brie is wrong. Why is that? Can't people be wrong and others be wright about some things or have facts all been replaced by opinions?

Now, algebra, calculus isn't really my thing, but there is nothing wrong about Roman Numerals. Roman Numerals are not wrong. Arabic Numerals just happen to be more efficient. So, I guess there's more than one way to skin a cat.

I didn't want to get into specifics, because this is a Brie/Carol thread, and don't want to get into a heated political debate. An example of where I think Brie is wrong is where it comes to social issues. Just like some people, she automatically assumes something MUST be racist or sexist without even considering other alternatives. People should wait until the facts come in before making any judgements. I also think intersectionality is racist. It implies that me, as a white, cis-gendered male, that my opinion matters the least. It's reverse racism of the highest order. Brie can believe what she wants, and she's obviously a lovely, lovely young woman, but I just think that she's wrong.

1. The "bubble" can work both ways.

2. When I say religion should have no role in our public life, I mean state supported religion. People should be free to believe what they want, but that the state should provide no sponsorship of ANY religion. Believe it or not, we're supposed to have a secular state.

3. How in the WORLD do you know what she assumes? From your previous posts, you've had NO contact from her. If anyone is assuming anything (about her thinking for example), it's the person you see when you look in the mirror. Don't assume she hasn't thoughtfully considered what's going on out there in the world and has come to a different conclusion than you have....

BTW, this isn't meant to be mean or rude. We've never had a beef despite our, obviously, different political bents, but you might consider the possibility that there's a bubble you aren't seeing.

EDIT, by the way, my point is that the Roman Numeral system is not capable of reflecting certain realities. It's alright for what it does and is structurally incapable of explaining certain observable phenomena. My point was that there were people who "thought" it was the truth, but, in fact, it's a human construct (Much like Newtonian physics) that attempts to explain how things work.

Sorry for the rant, but I wanted to clarify a few things.

 

[Darepool]

It's her twitter and she can post whatever she wants. Letting someone's political beliefs inlfuence your opinion for their acting or your anticipation over a film is stupid and i hope you realize this soon. She can write whatever she wants

I didn't say she couldn't, she can post whatever her heart desires. Many of my political beliefs align with hers actually, which is why I said 'whether I agree or not...' Every action has a reaction, and I simply stated mine. I find it annoying.

 

[Thome216]

!!Politics Alert!!

Quick, someone post something about the development of the movie, STAT!

 

[GeckoMoria]

I didn't say she couldn't, she can post whatever her heart desires. Many of my political beliefs align with hers actually, which is why I said 'whether I agree or not...' Every action has a reaction, and I simply stated mine. I find it annoying.

Claiming that you are starting hate Brie because of the things she posts and the fact that she fights for equality is really concerning imo. Did brie said that she wants fewer male-driven projects. No. She said that she wants more female-driven projects especially in comic books and female heroes should ge just as much exposure as male heroes. That might sound "forced" to you but it's perfectly reasonable.

 

[Darepool]

!!Politics Alert!!

Quick, someone post something about the development of the movie, STAT!

 

[Thome216]

I'm making a wind sound effect as I'm seeing this!

 

[SwiftFox]

Appropriate gif is appropriate.

I hope we hear that she's on set for Inifinity War soon.

 

[InCali]

When are they going to get a frelling director?

 

[GeckoMoria]

When they find the right one. They are not gonna get a checklist and hire a name through coin toss. Do you want a director just so you have a name or do you want the right person for the job?

 

[InCali]

When they find the right one. They are not gonna get a checklist and hire a name through coin toss. Do you want a director just so you have a name or do you want the right person for the job?

Oh C'mon. Of course I want them to get the right director. Don't be silly. It was half a joke because we were so off topic, I thought I'd throw that out there. We were told, however, that we'd have one by the end of last year. It's not like they haven't had time to nail this down; they have. I personally think they pretty much know at this point where they are going. They haven't had to announce it because they won't start filming for quite some time yet and it's better to keep us guessing.

 

[Moridin]

Oh C'mon. Of course I want them to get the right director. Don't be silly. It was half a joke because we were so off topic, I thought I'd throw that out there. We were told, however, that we'd have one by the end of last year. It's not like they haven't had time to nail this down; they have. I personally think they pretty much know at this point where they are going. They haven't had to announce it because they won't start filming for quite some time yet and it's better to keep us guessing.

They aren't going to sit on a director announcement, no reason for it. We haven't found out because no one has entered final talks (which seems to be when the trades often get wind of it).

We're under 2 years away from the release date, meaning they'll have to start filming early next year, so we are due (if not overdue) to find out very soon.

 

[Darepool]

May have had trouble with the script which is why the delay.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Oh C'mon. Of course I want them to get the right director. Don't be silly. It was half a joke because we were so off topic, I thought I'd throw that out there. We were told, however, that we'd have one by the end of last year. It's not like they haven't had time to nail this down; they have. I personally think they pretty much know at this point where they are going. They haven't had to announce it because they won't start filming for quite some time yet and it's better to keep us guessing.

We were told because that's where they estimated they would have one. They didn't find the right pick. Again, do you care more for reaching a deadline or finding the right person?

They are looking for the best fit. Why wouldn't they announce one if they already have him? They just haven't found what they are looking for so they will keep looking. They are going for a female director and the options in Hollywood are limited...

 

[Panacea]

Which is why they shouldn't limit their choice to a female director. It amounts to a gimmick. You don't need a female director to tell the story of a female protagonist any more than you need a male director to tell the story of a male protagonist.