Captain Marvel Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 3

[flickchick85]

I think Marvel will probably just give Carol the Quantum Bands as the source of her powers. The bands are powered by the Quantum Zone.

Mar-Vell used Kree designed Nega-Bands which were based of Quantum Bands. Nega-Bands were powered by the Negative zone which Fox probably have the rights to so Marvel went with the Quantum version since they already introduced the zone in Ant-Man.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Quantum_Bands
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Nega-Bands

High tech rare alien bracelets is a easy enough way to give Carol her powers

I would hate this. Her power had better be biological and hers, imo. This would basically make it so anyone could be Captain Marvel, and I am not down with that. Carol's abilities are the unique product of a freak accident and I truly hope she stays that way.

 

[Thome216]

I hope they keep her powers integral, rather than having to wear some device.

 

[Tg11]

With Ronan the Accuser a Kree being in the first GOTG then it would make sense for all Guardians Star Lord, Drax, Gamora, Mantis, Groot, Rocket and Nebula to show up too rather than Rhodey

 

[NotNickFury]

ALL of them? I dunno. For The Incredible Hulk, we just got Stark. Sam in Ant-Man. I don't if we'd get all of the Guardians for someone else's origin film. It makes sense, but budget-wise, even though Disney and Marvel aren't hurting for cash, I don't know if they'd pay all of those actors to show up just for presumably a small part in another character's origin.

 

[flickchick85]

We don't need the Guardians crew in this movie, imo.

 

[Tg11]

Or perhaps maybe one of the Guardians then or how about the Ravagers specifically Stallone and his crew especially given the Guardians Vol 2 mid credit scene

 

[Havok83]

I really wish she was teased in GoTG V2. Before it was debunked, I was hoping a post-credit screen would be about her in some capacity

 

[Tg11]

I know right me too and it would have made sense too

 

[metaphysician]

I would hate this. Her power had better be biological and hers, imo. This would basically make it so anyone could be Captain Marvel, and I am not down with that. Carol's abilities are the unique product of a freak accident and I truly hope she stays that way.

Ehh. . . while I sympathize with your view, this kind of runs up against the fact that, in the comics, quite a few people have been Captain Marvel. The idea that Captain Marvel-ness is inextricable and unique to her is a dubious position when she's the fifth person to bear the name. Doubly so when most of the prior Captain Marvels got at least part of their powers from an external device, albeit a typically-irremoveable one.

 

[Wildcard]

I would hate this. Her power had better be biological and hers, imo. This would basically make it so anyone could be Captain Marvel, and I am not down with that. Carol's abilities are the unique product of a freak accident and I truly hope she stays that way.

Agreed wholly. Making the Quantum Bands be the source of her power would be the biggest and lamest cop out ever. And it'd effectively kill a lot of my interest in the film. I'd have to imagine that'd hold true for a lot of others as well.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Agreed wholly. Making the Quantum Bands be the source of her power would be the biggest and lamest cop out ever. And it'd effectively kill a lot of my interest in the film. I'd have to imagine that'd hold true for a lot of others as well.

No, it wouldn't be true at all. The majority of people wouldn't are less how she got her powers. She isn't Superman or Batman. And neither should comic book. carol is all that matters. Where her power set comes from is irrelevant and if that kills your interet in the film, then you bail out way too easily.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

The Quantum Bands are Quasar's deal. Keep that **** away from Carol.

 

[Flemm]

I hope they keep her powers integral, rather than having to wear some device.

I don't think fans have anything to be concerned about on that particular point.

However she obtains her powers, I think they will be distinctively hers.

There will probably be some nod to the multiple Captain Marvels of the comics, whether via Mar-vell or more subtle references here and there. Maybe some combination of those things.

But I'm confident that she will not just be wearing a powerful piece of gear.

 

[Alpha1999]

I'm just hoping she will be well written and someone to cheer for and be nothing like the Carol Danvers that was depicted in Civil War 2.

 

[Havok83]

No, it wouldn't be true at all. The majority of people wouldn't are less how she got her powers. She isn't Superman or Batman. And neither should comic book. carol is all that matters. Where her power set comes from is irrelevant and if that kills your interet in the film, then you bail out way too easily.

You completely erase a large part of her origins by going that lame route. obviously they will have to change how she got her powers but making it a result of some weapon as opposed to her own DNA IS a copout and makes her less unique among the rest of the MCU. They need to come up with a way to infuse her with Kree DNA. I dont want to see her need to wear jewlery in order to be powered up. She isnt the Green Lantern

 

[flickchick85]

Ehh. . . while I sympathize with your view, this kind of runs up against the fact that, in the comics, quite a few people have been Captain Marvel. The idea that Captain Marvel-ness is inextricable and unique to her is a dubious position when she's the fifth person to bear the name. Doubly so when most of the prior Captain Marvels got at least part of their powers from an external device, albeit a typically-irremoveable one.

You're placing too much importance on the name, imo. Mar-Vell and the other Captain Marvels had very different power sets than she does. Carol Danvers' abilities have always been uniquely hers, the product of something that very specifically happened to her, regardless of what name she went by at the time, and it should stay that way, imo.

Anyway, as Scarecrow said, the Quantum Bands are Quasar's thing, so if they wanted their first lead female superhero to be Quasar, they should've just done that with Phyla-Vell. Thankfully, I think the odds of them going in this suggested direction are highly unlikely, so I'm not too worried.

 

[harryoscop]

You're placing too much importance on the name, imo. Mar-Vell and the other Captain Marvels had very different power sets than she does. Carol Danvers' abilities have always been uniquely hers, the product of something that very specifically happened to her, regardless of what name she went by at the time, and it should stay that way, imo.

 

[flickchick85]

Also, if one's point is that Carol Danvers is interchangeable with other Captain Marvel's then I think you may be barking up the wrong tree, as I think the whole reason they are altering her origin (and supposedly lessening Mar-Vell's role in it) is that they want Carol to be LESS interchangeable with anybody. They're trying to build up her uniqueness (just listen to the way Feige talks about her as the most powerful hero in their universe), not remove it. So there's NO WAY they'll make her powers come from glorified bracelets anyone can put on, imo.

 

[Flemm]

Even with a character like Iron Man, where the gear he wears is very central to the core idea, the movies make sure to build the story around Tony's unique brilliance, ingenuity, grit, and so on. He is Iron Man, not the suit.

It's true that there are a variety of different ways to do that, one being the Green Lantern-ish concept of a weapon channeling the hero's exceptional willpower, another being the Thor-ish concept of the hero's worthiness being the deciding factor.

In Carol's case, I'm sure they will try to show that she has exceptional qualities as an individual, other than superpowers, but I also think the powers will be innate to her. There's no reason not to build the story that way.

 

[Mike Murdock]

You're placing too much importance on the name, imo. Mar-Vell and the other Captain Marvels had very different power sets than she does. Carol Danvers' abilities have always been uniquely hers, the product of something that very specifically happened to her, regardless of what name she went by at the time, and it should stay that way, imo.

Although it's through coincidence, I believe, her powers aren't terribly different from Mar-Vells. Obviously, they both have strength and flight, but Mar-Vell also has energy absorption like Carol as Binary does. To me, Carol took the name Captain Marvel deliberately as a legacy character. Even when she was Ms. Marvel, the allusion to Mar-Vell (particularly with her original costume) was always there.

I agree that no other Captain Marvel is relevant - particularly Monica Rambeau, but I always liked the connection between Mar-Vell and Marvel and wish they played that up more, not less.

 

[flickchick85]

Although it's through coincidence, I believe, her powers aren't terribly different from Mar-Vells. Obviously, they both have strength and flight, but Mar-Vell also has energy absorption like Carol as Binary does. To me, Carol took the name Captain Marvel deliberately as a legacy character. Even when she was Ms. Marvel, the allusion to Mar-Vell (particularly with her original costume) was always there.

I agree that no other Captain Marvel is relevant - particularly Monica Rambeau, but I always liked the connection between Mar-Vell and Marvel and wish they played that up more, not less.

Similar power-set, but not quite the same. As Binary, she's linked to a white hole and can generate energy of all sorts of different forms and control gravity. And of course she has the precognition thing that he didn't. That said, Mar-Vell also had abilities she didn't, and yes, she is a legacy character. I don't think anyone's arguing with that.

But for the record, I too like the connection with Mar-Vell and think it would make for a compelling origin if they kept their story largely intact (with a few tweaks here and there to give Carol more agency). But I just don't think that's in the cards.

Still, making her a legacy character and making her powers come from a piece of jewelry are two very different things. Being a legacy character (especially to a character who's now dead), she can still be unique and powerful on her own. Giving her Nega-bands or Quantum Bands and having those be the source of her power, makes her a regular person with fancy jewelry that anyone else could wield. I just don't see Marvel undermining the power of their first lead female and "most powerful hero" like that. Thank goodness Patty Jenkins didn't decide to make all of Wonder Woman's power come from her bracelets instead of portraying her as the demigoddess she's supposed to be. Hopefully Marvel has the same good sense. They certainly have with their other heroes thus far.

 

[hopeless]

How about she inherits it?
Until her powers manifest the Nega Bands were otherwise a harmless heirloom she chose to wear when allowed and it only appears to be the source of her powers.
So she's led to believe it's them and someone in the Government has them deliberately stolen which is how Quasar gets introduced but until they did noone suspected Carol is actually Half Kree (fricking spellchecker!) and the Band's were actually absorbing her nascent power but because she is that powerful her awakening is just her powers overwhelming the Nega Bands ability to absorb and nullify them.
Now detectable that draws in her first nemesis and after she loses the Band's discovers she is getting much stronger eventually helped by the Ravagers who have their own experience on what she's going through and she ends up meeting the GOTG team before returning to her homeworld in time for Infinity War?
Doubt it be that good, but I can pray can't I?

 

[InCali]

How about she inherits it?
Until her powers manifest the Nega Bands were otherwise a harmless heirloom she chose to wear when allowed and it only appears to be the source of her powers.
So she's led to believe it's them and someone in the Government has them deliberately stolen which is how Quasar gets introduced but until they did noone suspected Carol is actually Half Kree (fricking spellchecker!) and the Band's were actually absorbing her nascent power but because she is that powerful her awakening is just her powers overwhelming the Nega Bands ability to absorb and nullify them.
Now detectable that draws in her first nemesis and after she loses the Band's discovers she is getting much stronger eventually helped by the Ravagers who have their own experience on what she's going through and she ends up meeting the GOTG team before returning to her homeworld in time for Infinity War?
Doubt it be that good, but I can pray can't I?

Hey, I have a really weird idea. How about we keep the Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel origin story pretty much intact? I know it sounds crazy and TOTALLY out of left field, but still.........

Then all we have to do is listen to people complain that it's a movie they've seen a hundred times before and we get a character that we like.

Any ideas about the baddie? Do we ever get Binary? In this movie, I'd guess not, but down the road? How about in A4? CM2?

 

[Tg11]

Plus making Carol half-Kree half-human if Marvel were to change up her origin story then that would be an interesting path to take

 

[Mike Murdock]

Similar power-set, but not quite the same. As Binary, she's linked to a white hole and can generate energy of all sorts of different forms and control gravity. And of course she has the precognition thing that he didn't. That said, Mar-Vell also had abilities she didn't, and yes, she is a legacy character. I don't think anyone's arguing with that.

But for the record, I too like the connection with Mar-Vell and think it would make for a compelling origin if they kept their story largely intact (with a few tweaks here and there to give Carol more agency). But I just don't think that's in the cards.

Still, making her a legacy character and making her powers come from a piece of jewelry are two very different things. Being a legacy character (especially to a character who's now dead), she can still be unique and powerful on her own. Giving her Nega-bands or Quantum Bands and having those be the source of her power, makes her a regular person with fancy jewelry that anyone else could wield. I just don't see Marvel undermining the power of their first lead female and "most powerful hero" like that. Thank goodness Patty Jenkins didn't decide to make all of Wonder Woman's power come from her bracelets instead of portraying her as the demigoddess she's supposed to be. Hopefully Marvel has the same good sense. They certainly have with their other heroes thus far.

Oh, I'm not supporting the Nega-bands (they're my least favorite part of Mar-Vell) and I'm definitely not supporting Quantum Bands.