Chapter 57 - "1961" Discussion Thread - 4/13/09

[Ion Kenshin]

I know its gonna seem cheesy but the nod to why Angela has been stealing socks since Season was nice

 

[Primal Slayer]

Good episode. Cant believe there are only two episodes left!

 

[TNC9852002]

I still want to see the third guy's power too!

 

[xisaacx]

Do you think that at the end of this volume we can see peter with a scar? and something that leads into the five years gone story? I mean sylar impersonating nathan...sooo

 

[gambitfire]

I still want to see the third guy's power too!

Bob turns things to gold.

 

[Ion Kenshin]

I thought that but was Bob's last name Bishop...I can't remember

 

[gambitfire]

http://heroeswiki.com/Bob

At this link under quotes bob says the company was formed 30 years ago, but I guess it was technically formed around 50 years ago.

Technically no?

 

[Antrax255]

This is what generations should be they should do a five episode arc based on the 4 of them building the company.

 

[Morg]

http://heroeswiki.com/Bob

At this link under quotes bob says the company was formed 30 years ago, but I guess it was technically formed around 50 years ago.

Technically no?

Maybe another company?

 

[gambitfire]

Maybe another company?

Perhaps it's just a technicality like the plans were set in motion 50 years ago but the company itself wasn't fully up and running till 20 years later.

If anything it's not a big plot hole unless people remember it that well and read too much into it. .... I'm doing that aren't I?

 

[Deaths Head II]

This was a really good episode. Really character focused, yet still very compelling. Seeing the past of the company as well as Angela's was great. Interesting to see that Sylar has indeed taken Nathan's identity too. Can't wait for the last two episodes now.

And this was also the first episode since maybe Season 2 where Mohinder actually felt like he was written properly. At least for me.

 

[jk_4000m]

This was a good ep on every level.
can't wait for next week!

 

[TNC9852002]

They could've made themselves a plot hole, but that kid was definitely supposed to be Robert Bishop.

 

[GL1]

"Bobby Bishop" is obviously Robert Bishop.

This episode, while being one I was waiting for since I heard the title, reminded me how disjointed heroes has felt in its plotlines. They did carry the Fugitive storyline though in multiple threads, but having it be so far away, only connected by dialogue, reminded me how easily plots had been one-lined away in the past two volumes, even plot lines that the entire volume title revolved around.

Charles Deveaux was a jerk though... I had no idea that sweet wise old man was such a cocky bastard.

Having Papa Suresh know about these abilities before hand is... a bit off-putting.

 

[Jolie_Desastre]

Man that totally went right over my head

 

[chesslover]

When did Sylar touch Nathan? Angela steals socks? My memory sucks

 

[Deaths Head II]

When did Sylar touch Nathan? Angela steals socks? My memory sucks

In Season One, Angela was caught by the police for shoplifting socks.

 

[ChaoticPsylocke]

i forgot she stole socks previous to the episode a few weeks ago. but now that someone mentions it, it does seem familiar.

i loved the whole flashback thing, and i LOVE angela! shes amazing.

i feel terrible for her sister though.

what i cant figure out is who that black guy was that was with angela. def not the haitian, so i dont get it.

 

[Deaths Head II]

It's Charles Deveaux, the man Peter was a nurse for back in Season 1.

 

[Sawyer]

Hands down best episode of the season, quite possibly of the past two seasons. It's about damn time Angela got her "Company Man".

 

[stillanerd]

This was probably one of the more somber and bittersweet episodes of the series. However, I wonder if anyone watching would have considered it a bit out of place given the current volume and that it felt like filler; watching, I kept thinking that, given this was a story about the origin of the Company whether or not it was originally intended for Season 2, before the writer's strike interfered. Nevertheless, this was certainly a much more character focused episode, specifically dealing with the Petrelli clan, addressing the past and possibly setting things up for the future after this season comes to a close.

Of course, Angela Petrelli got much of the focus, and I'm impressed with the fact that, this volume, has actually made someone fans regarded as a duplicitious villainess understand and even sympathize with her actions and why she made the decisions she did, and that now she's seeking redemption for past sins--a big theme for tonights episode. Not to mention uncovering the past, both litterally in the sense of the digging up the mass graves, and figuratively, especially with Mohindir wanting to know the nature of his father's involvement.

I also liked that there was a mysterious quality given to her sister, Alice, even when she was little. Alice's weather controlling powers, much like Alice in Wonderland book she carried, had almost surreal quality about them, especially in the flashback when she made it snow, and in the present during the windstorm. And when we see her as an old woman, you can't help but think that she's something out of a fairy tale. Comic book fans know, considering her powers are just like Storm's, that Alice can "fly" due to controlling the air currents around her, but in this case, the fact that we don't actually see it and she seems to literaly vanish gives her an unreal, ghostly quality. In fact, one could say that this episode was very much like a ghost story in a way. What better place for a haunting than an abandoned internment camp in the middle of a desert?

Another thing was seeing connections being made to prior episodes, especially the revealation why Angela was shoplifting all the way back practically from the first episode. That was something I had all but forgotten until this episode brought it up. Likewise, seeing the younger Charles Deveraux and finally seeing his power (essentially it's a teleptahy on the level of Professor X, another Charles), that he seemed a lot more like Angela would eventually become. It makes you realize that, over the years, he may have opposed the Company's plan to let New York explode out of a sense of guilt over the founding members belief of doing "whatever it took" to keep the existence of those with abilities a secret. Also, the fact that the last scene shows Sylar impersonating Nathan is definitely an echo from the first season in which a future version of Sylar impersonated Nathan as President.

It may not have been the most action packed episode, but definitely a good one.

 

[Jester Molester]

I enjoyed it. Any guesses as to what's on that 8mm (or whatever that dinosaur format is) that Suresh now has?

 

[SatEL]

"Bobby Bishop" is obviously Robert Bishop.

This episode, while being one I was waiting for since I heard the title, reminded me how disjointed heroes has felt in its plotlines. They did carry the Fugitive storyline though in multiple threads, but having it be so far away, only connected by dialogue, reminded me how easily plots had been one-lined away in the past two volumes, even plot lines that the entire volume title revolved around.

Charles Deveaux was a jerk though... I had no idea that sweet wise old man was such a cocky bastard.

Having Papa Suresh know about these abilities before hand is... a bit off-putting.

WTF? I thought he was totally badass, in what way was he a jerk? Sure he was cocky but he was a teenage boy so that's not really far out is it?

Me personally I loved the character I thought he was awesome, I loved his "Cocky" attitude and would love to see more of Young Charles and the others as opposed to boring Peter and the bunch.

 

[JPC4]

Good episode. My only 2 minor gripes are:
1) Peter should have touched Alice and absorbed her power. It would be nice to see Peter do something other than fly.
2) Apparently Sylar does not need to have physical contact with whomever he is replicating? If this is the case then why bother with Nathan? Just pose as Nathan, get close to the President, kill the President, and replicate him.

 

[GL1]

Me personally I loved the character I thought he was awesome, I loved his "Cocky" attitude and would love to see more of Young Charles and the others as opposed to boring Peter and the bunch.

I did end up liking the character, I just never expected him to be that way as a youngster. I also agree that seeing more of those kids would make me very happy.