Chapter 77 - Brave New World

[Deaths Head II]

I suppose new lung tissue would regenerate as the oxygen deprived ones die. It makes sense in theory but I stand by the fact that suffocation is one of the guaranteed ways to kill any healer/regen

Adam established a long time ago that regenerators can't die from suffocation when he was trapped in the coffin.

 

[Superfreak]

I can't believe people still expect epic fights from Heroes. This has never been an super hero action show. Ever. We've had a handful of fights each season and they always last like 1 minute.

At least every character used their powers to help stop Samuel as opposed to S1 where everyone stood around and watched Peter punch Sylar a few times before Hiro stabbed him.

how about a climax... everything resovled itself before the episode even reached climax. Generally, when one spends 17 episodes building up suspense, the payoff should atleast try and equal the buildup. Such a waste.

the finale wasn't bad, but it certainly wasn't good. Poorly thought out, and actually felt like one of those last ditch efforts that production teams make to give their cancelled show an unplanned quick series finale. Always feels with heroes that they make one expect 'more', and then they always go and deliver 'less'.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Adam established a long time ago that regenerators can't die from suffocation when he was trapped in the coffin.

Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense. But such are superpowers really.

 

[Deaths Head II]

how about a climax... everything resovled itself before the episode even reached climax. Generally, when one spends 17 episodes building up suspense, the payoff should atleast try and equal the buildup. Such a waste.

Everything resolved itself like 1 minute before the volume ended.

The climax was Samuel trying to kill everyone, him struggling for control with Peter while Hiro and Ando teleported everyone away, Samuel realizing what had happened and then the final image with Samuel falling to the floor, alone.

Everything after that was part of the next volume and technically an epilogue for this volume, which takes place after the climax.

 

[Spidey Rules 2]

I was wondering how in the world everyone made it to Central Park so fast.

Hiro I get, he teleported there.

How about Sylar/Peter? Did Sylar carry him there? What about the Multiple Man? Doesn't Matt live in LA, that's a long distance to Central Park (NEW YORK).

No sure where Clarie and her dad were at, but for some reason I thought they were somewhere in the northwest (Washington/Oregon). I doubt the helicopter they were in could get them there in time.

Pretty poor fight. Even Sylar and the Puppet Master. I thought Sylar could easily overpower him (instead he tries talking to him )

 

[Danalys]

Claire: No comment.
Reporter: Are you sure? You look like you have something to say.

"Hey Poochie you look like you've got something to say. well do you?"

 

[Deaths Head II]

"Hey Poochie you look like you've got something to say. well do you?"

Claire: I have to go now. My planet needs me.

*Claire floats up into Space*

*Sign says Claire died on her way to her home planet*

Claire Haters:

 

[thorstone]

The season finale was a letdown.
The fight with Samuel was weak-- his power just didn't make for good action.

Next season, the villain has to be someone of power like Uluru (think Hellboy makeup with animatronic hands rather than a giant special effect), a character who manifests Uluru or transforms into him physiologically, like Thing of the Fantastic Four (and very unhappy about being a freak):

 

[Exploding Boy]

This may be a very very dumb question but when Noah told Claire that her lungs would be able to heal...i dunno that didnt seem right to me. I mean, they were running out of air to breath, its not a matter of healing is it? Once there's no more air, thats it, there's no more oxygen left to support your body. Claire's lungs cannot generate air to breath. What im saying is, even though she's a healer, wouldnt she have died anyway due to the fact that she needs air just as much as her father?

No you're completely right. She would "die" without oxygen...she would however come back to life once her body was reintroduced to oxygen. But technically she should of died at the same time, if not after her father.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

Maybe if she was reborn, they can actually give her a brain. When I saw her doing that at the end, I kept thinking your so stupid! I'm with Peter/Hiro/Noah on this one, I hate her even more after that stunt. Little Claire fans can say what they want, she did a selfish/stupid thing here. I hope specials hate her for it too. Maybe it will have her think next time.

Matt looking in the fridge while Peter's down in the basement passed out in Sylar's nightmare. Why does that not suprise me?

Sylar looking up to Peter? Cute. But his obssesion with Peter's okness is a bit creepy.

Tracey and Matt were pointless.

Hiro's storyline, while entertaning, could have been used for another few episodes ago instead of his other useless storyline about him dying. Which got a horrible ending by the way. They could have used some of his scenes in stopping Samuel along with the others, but no he's sidetracked again like normal.

Noah, Noah, Noah. Putting Samuel in prision, really? Yah, that will hold him for sure >>

Peter was cool here, just wish he had more screen time than that moron Claire did.

Over all, it felt like a normal Heroes episode, good thing? No.

 

[Hush]

I just wish Peter would have taken Sylars mimic power so he could retain several again. Oh well, if we get another season I will be suprised if not oh well. They need a fan in the writing room.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

Sylar and Peter got there by flight.
Peter took Sylar's power of flight to get there. I believe this because when he tackles Samuel (to get his power) we here the flight noise they usually use and he seemed to be coming at a fast speed.

 

[Superfreak]

The climax was Samuel trying to kill everyone, him struggling for control with Peter while Hiro and Ando teleported everyone away, Samuel realizing what had happened and then the final image with Samuel falling to the floor, alone.

so again: they used 17, 45 minute episodes to build up to a shaky camera? Some climax. What a waste.

 

[kguillou]

Even though's Claire's little stunt was a little silly, I am SO happy that finally the general public is now aware that there are people with superpowers. Its about damned time! I've been waiting for this to happen since season 1. There's no way these guys could realistically hide themselves like the way they've been doing the past 3 seasons. I think the fallout of this is going to make a very very interesting season 5 (if it happens).

Maybe now that the public knows about super powers, the show can actually be about Heroes who save people and fight evil like the show was always meant to be.

 

[The Lizard]

Another "meh" finale for Heroes. What a surprise.

Just cancel it already and put it out of my misery.

 

[DIRECTOR]

Even though's Claire's little stunt was a little silly, I am SO happy that finally the general public is now aware that there are people with superpowers. Its about damned time! I've been waiting for this to happen since season 1. There's no way these guys could realistically hide themselves like the way they've been doing the past 3 seasons. I think the fallout of this is going to make a very very interesting season 5 (if it happens).

Maybe now that the public knows about super powers, the show can actually be about Heroes who save people and fight evil like the show was always meant to be.

i thought they will go in the superhero route, where they realize that they need custumes and secret identities........ which would have been waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy koooollllleerrr

OH well, NBC is making some bad decisions lately

 

[Matt]

"Hey Poochie you look like you've got something to say. well do you?"

That's exactly what I thought when I heard that line.

 

[Matt]

The season finale was a letdown.
The fight with Samuel was weak-- his power just didn't make for good action.

Next season, the villain has to be someone of power like Uluru (think Hellboy makeup with animatronic hands rather than a giant special effect), a character who manifests Uluru or transforms into him physiologically, like Thing of the Fantastic Four (and very unhappy about being a freak):

1) Kring confirmed that Uluru is only in Isaac's comics.

2) NBC will never approve the budget to do the character.

 

[Deaths Head II]

i thought they will go in the superhero route, where they realize that they need custumes and secret identities........ which would have been waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy koooollllleerrr

OH well, NBC is making some bad decisions lately

Weren't you the one who claimed Peter's story arc this season of going all Spider-Man and running around saving people with his powers was incredibly boring?

Why would you want the whole entire cast doing something you consider to be boring?

 

[stillanerd]

Even though's Claire's little stunt was a little silly, I am SO happy that finally the general public is now aware that there are people with superpowers. Its about damned time! I've been waiting for this to happen since season 1. There's no way these guys could realistically hide themselves like the way they've been doing the past 3 seasons. I think the fallout of this is going to make a very very interesting season 5 (if it happens).

Maybe now that the public knows about super powers, the show can actually be about Heroes who save people and fight evil like the show was always meant to be.

Agreed. I'm reminded of the opening text scrawl from the very first episode in Season 1, in which it not only said that the "heroes" would "save the world," but that they would "change it forever." Them being publicly revealed certainly would do that, but it's a shame that it's taken this long to get to this point. Not to mention it also further underscores just how misguided season 2 and the first half of season 3 really were.

 

[Deaths Head II]

If there is a next season, one thing I hope for is that they connect more characters together. That was one thing I felt was a huge mistake in every season after S1. At the S1 finale, every character came together in Kirby Plaza. Then by the S2 premiere they were all scattered everywhere again, and one of the major problems of that volume was way too many plotlines. I know why they did it: they wanted to rehash S1 instead of changing the format of the show. I think that was a mistake and I really think more characters should have come together.

Though I have a sneaking suspicion that they reason they avoid having the characters come together is because the writer's can't write for more then 4 main characters in a single plot line. If you pay attention, you'll notice everytime the number of characters present goes higher then 3 or 4, characters will have a poorly written excuse to leave. Like in Volume 4 when Hiro and Ando decided to go India for no reason instead of helping Matt, Peter, and Mohinder take down Building 26. Or in Volume 5 when Hiro, Mohinder, and Ando ended up Noah's apartment and Mohinder decided to forget the whole Samuel thing and just go back home to India (I guess he is his father's son, they both created a monster and then decided to ignore it and let it run around killing people). That stuff just annoys me.

 

[db85usa]

If there is a next season, one thing I hope for is that they connect more characters together. That was one thing I felt was a huge mistake in every season after S1. At the S1 finale, every character came together in Kirby Plaza. Then by the S2 premiere they were all scattered everywhere again, and one of the major problems of that volume was way too many plotlines. I know why they did it: they wanted to rehash S1 instead of changing the format of the show. I think that was a mistake and I really think more characters should have come together.

Though I have a sneaking suspicion that they reason they avoid having the characters come together is because the writer's can't write for more then 4 main characters in a single plot line. If you pay attention, you'll notice everytime the number of characters present goes higher then 3 or 4, characters will have a poorly written excuse to leave. Like in Volume 4 when Hiro and Ando decided to go India for no reason instead of helping Matt, Peter, and Mohinder take down Building 26. Or in Volume 5 when Hiro, Mohinder, and Ando ended up Noah's apartment and Mohinder decided to forget the whole Samuel thing and just go back home to India (I guess he is his father's son, they both created a monster and then decided to ignore it and let it run around killing people). That stuff just annoys me.

What do you expect? Haha you can't fit 15 characters in one episode. This is one of Heroes' biggest mistake(s). They need to trim down to more quality characters versus quanity. Yeah it seems they ditched the whole idea that everyone is connected. I think it's safe to say that we can do without Claire, HRG, Suresh, Tracy, Hiro/Ando right now and focus more on Sylar, Peter, Matt, Mama Petrelli.

Downsizing the cast would be a plus because it would leave them availability to introduce new stories, new characters! I don't know if Samuel's story should continue into a new season. I liked the character but just like the show, it really didn't go anywhere.

The show needs stronger villains. I also think turning Sylar into a good guy was a huge mistake and a let down for me. It's not believable for me and I don't know if they can even have him be a villain ever again now. The show is convoluted and contradicts itself each week due to poor character development and writing. They truly are scrambling for ideas.

I strongly believe we might see these characters develop a second identity like a Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker sort of thing if the world DOES know about these people with abilities because of Claire's leap of faith. How that pans out might be interesting. The power to reveal a good guy's true identity or a bad guy's identity, while not entirely original, it's always been a cool thing to play with.

Maybe they can have Peter continue being a paramedic, saving people. Maybe Sylar can become a doctor and heal people with his powers? Who knows? Matt Parkman becomes a cop or FBI agent again and tracks down people with abilities or maybe he gets a job with the secret service to protect the president who just so happens to be a powerful villain?

In the end, I agree, scattering each character is not good for the show. They need to keep them together and connected whether through good intentions or bad. It doesn't matter.

 

[Deaths Head II]

What do you expect? Haha you can't fit 15 characters in one episode. This is one of Heroes' biggest mistake(s). They need to trim down to more quality characters versus quanity. Yeah it seems they ditched the whole idea that everyone is connected. I think it's safe to say that we can do without Claire, HRG, Suresh, Tracy, Hiro/Ando right now and focus more on Sylar, Peter, Matt, Mama Petrelli.

I think Mama Petrelli should stay a side character. S3 was the worst season in my opinion, and that was the only season she was a main character. In S1, S2, and S4 she was a side character and that's what she's best at because she's really not one of the Heroes. She works better as support or as a foil for Peter.

I actually think Matt can be let go. He doesn't have much reason to stay unless they shoehorn him in. Of course I'm approaching it from the angle of "whose story has been completed enough to let go" versus "who do I want to go" because I really don't want another Monica, Micah or Molly. Matt has his family, his story arc is done. Suresh is already gone basically.

Hiro and Ando could be done now considering how they both seem tired of Hero-ing and both just want to go home to Japan to be with Kimiko, but they're probably not going to get rid of Hiro or Claire. Those two and Sylar were the only characters big enough to show up on the promotional images for S4. Like it or not, the Heroes crew considers them to be the big three and they're not getting rid of them. And if Claire stays, HRG is going to stay for sure. Plus there's the fact that Claire has taken center stage in the whole "coming out" thing so for her to just disappear wouldn't make much sense.

Tracy would probably come back too. The crew is not willing to give up Ali Larter or they would have had her leave the show when Niki died.

So characters they could let go at this point: Tracy, Matt, Hiro, and Ando, Suresh.

Characters they're probably willing to let go: Suresh and maybe Matt.

 

[thorstone]

1) Kring confirmed that Uluru is only in Isaac's comics.

2) NBC will never approve the budget to do the character.

Heroes needs some powerful villains, especially now that Sylar is a hero.
Uluru doesn't have to be a big special effect-- it just requires the level of makeup seen in Hellboy.

Right now Heroes needs something meaningful to happen-- it doesn't feel like it is building to something larger than the events of one season. Uluru would connect things back to the first season.

And Hiro needs to get his sword back and become the super hero Hiro we saw in season 1.

 

[kguillou]

Here's the thing that kinda worries me. Even if Heroes does get a 5th season, most likely its going to be on an even lower budget than it was on before. Not only because the show has been failing but also because NBC in general is in a crisis right now and probably cannot afford any large finances at this point. If there is another season, don't expect to see any cool display of powers like Samuel did during this season.