Christopher Nolan's Inception (Thread II)

[redfirebird2008]

Christ. Like I said before, 2012 will be a dangerous year on these boards. The entire year and possibly the rest of the duration of the board.

If it's great, we'll hear overzelous and hyperbolic, foaming at the mouth craze. If it isn't and "didn't live up to TDK (which is stupid to go in thinking that) then chaos.

Then possible wars with Marvel and DC fans. We have Avengers and Spider-Man coming out that year. Superman at the end.

You all know people iwll be having wars in comparisons with all these films. Who did it better.

Naturally. As far as I'm concerned, Nolan has pumped out arguably the two best superhero movies ever. More importantly, he's pumped out some amazing films outside of Batman (Memento, Prestige, Inception). If the fanboys want to throw him under the bus like they did with Raimi, so be it. But I won't be participating in it. Dude is a great filmmaker regardless of how the next Batman flick turns out.

 

[Kane52630]

Christ. Like I said before, 2012 will be a dangerous year on these boards. The entire year and possibly the rest of the duration of the board.

If it's great, we'll hear overzelous and hyperbolic, foaming at the mouth craze. If it isn't and "didn't live up to TDK (which is stupid to go in thinking that) then chaos.

Then possible wars with Marvel and DC fans. We have Avengers and Spider-Man coming out that year. Superman at the end.

You all know people iwll be having wars in comparisons with all these films. Who did it better.

well too be honest, ive been seeing crazy x-men fans and crazy cap fans who act the same. Its just a few people who like to talk the loudest across the boards

 

[Doctor Jones]

Naturally. As far as I'm concerned, Nolan has pumped out arguably the two best superhero movies ever. More importantly, he's pumped out some amazing films outside of Batman (Memento, Prestige, Inception). If the fanboys want to throw him under the bus like they did with Raimi, so be it. But I won't be participating in it. Dude is a great filmmaker regardless of how the next Batman flick turns out.

Only sensible people will see it that way. And there's not enough of them in this place.

 

[Anita18]

Naturally. As far as I'm concerned, Nolan has pumped out arguably the two best superhero movies ever. More importantly, he's pumped out some amazing films outside of Batman (Memento, Prestige, Inception). If the fanboys want to throw him under the bus like they did with Raimi, so be it. But I won't be participating in it. Dude is a great filmmaker regardless of how the next Batman flick turns out.

Exactly. The guy has nothing to prove at this point.

Only sensible people will see it that way. And there's not enough of them in this place.

I think longtime posters here are pretty sensible. The newbies who make an account just to crap on the same thing over and over again are fairly easy to pick out.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'll hate 3D (and the covert ticket price rise) no matter which director uses it.

Nolan is definately not safe. Hell, some fanboys are already talking about how Inception isn't really that good and doesn't live up to the TDK. Just wait, his time is coming. Nobody can stay on top of fanboy land forever.

..or maybe they really feel that way? I don't think Inception is as good as TDK, doesn't mean I am waiting for him to "fail".

Inception's reception isn't as strong as TDK's on the professional critics front either. Have they, the critics, joined the fanboys too?

 

[Fenrir]

I'm still waiting for Nolan's 'ambitious mess'. You know, that one film in every great director's filmography that sticks out like a sore thumb, and ironically, one in which the director is more personally involved than ever and really puts his heart and soul into. James Cameron's ambitious mess was The Abyss. Spielberg has had quite a few (Amistad, A.I). Paul Thomas Anderson's was Magnolia. Tim Burton's was Batman Returns. I thought Inception was going to be it for Nolan, but I guess he dodged that bullet too. I really hope it isn't The Dark Knight Rises. That would be just too painful.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

Christ. Like I said before, 2012 will be a dangerous year on these boards. The entire year and possibly the rest of the duration of the board.

If it's great, we'll hear overzelous and hyperbolic, foaming at the mouth craze. If it isn't and "didn't live up to TDK (which is stupid to go in thinking that) then chaos.

Then possible wars with Marvel and DC fans. We have Avengers and Spider-Man coming out that year. Superman at the end.

You all know people iwll be having wars in comparisons with all these films. Who did it better.

2012 will be the end of these boards as we know it. But according to a New Age interpretation, it might be during this time that these boards may undergo a positive physical or spiritual transformation, and that 2012 may mark the beginning of a new era of fanboys.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I'm still waiting for Nolan's 'ambitious mess'. You know, that one film in every great director's filmography that sticks out like a sore thumb, and ironically, one in which the director is more personally involved than ever and really puts his heart and soul into. James Cameron's ambitious mess was The Abyss. Spielberg has had quite a few (Amistad, A.I). Paul Thomas Anderson's was Magnolia. Tim Burton's was Batman Returns. I thought Inception was going to be it for Nolan, but I guess he dodged that bullet too. I really hope it isn't The Dark Knight Rises. That would be just too painful.

Inception was already it IMHO. It was enough of an ambitious mess that a lot of people liked it, but a number of folks thoroughly hated it. Even though it received a ton of rave reviews, it also ended up with more reviews rated 30 or lower at MetaCritic than Spider-Man 3. Now think about that for a second. To have that kind of polarized reaction suggests that it very much fits into the ambitious mess category.

 

[Doctor Jones]

2012 will be the end of these boards as we know it. But according to a New Age interpretation, it might be during this time that these boards may undergo a positive physical or spiritual transformation, and that 2012 may mark the beginning of a new era of fanboys.

Positive... message boards... words do not compute...

 

[Cain]

Inception was already it IMHO. It was enough of an ambitious mess that a lot of people liked it, but a number of folks thoroughly hated it. Even though it received a ton of rave reviews, it also ended up with more reviews rated 30 or lower at MetaCritic than Spider-Man 3. Now think about that for a second. To have that kind of polarized reaction suggests that it very much fits into the ambitious mess category.

That's interesting to hear. I myself didn't like Inception. The only Nolan movie besides Insomnia that I pretty much hated. I saw so much praise for it though I'm surprised there were apparently more than me. I mean really more than Spider-Man 3? that says a lot. I can't think of one person that actually LIKED Spider-Man 3. I mean genuinely too not in a guilty pleasure type way.

 

[craigdbfan]

I'm still waiting for Nolan's 'ambitious mess'. You know, that one film in every great director's filmography that sticks out like a sore thumb, and ironically, one in which the director is more personally involved than ever and really puts his heart and soul into. James Cameron's ambitious mess was The Abyss. Spielberg has had quite a few (Amistad, A.I). Paul Thomas Anderson's was Magnolia. Tim Burton's was Batman Returns. I thought Inception was going to be it for Nolan, but I guess he dodged that bullet too. I really hope it isn't The Dark Knight Rises. That would be just too painful.

Even then a directors greatest folly is still usually a great one.

A.I, Amistad, and The Abyss are all really good films even though they might not be the best in those respective directors career.

Don't really think that is going to happen in TDKR due to their being a somewhat clear character arc Nolan envisioned as a trilogy. No more, no less.

 

[Anita18]

Inception was already it IMHO. It was enough of an ambitious mess that a lot of people liked it, but a number of folks thoroughly hated it. Even though it received a ton of rave reviews, it also ended up with more reviews rated 30 or lower at MetaCritic than Spider-Man 3. Now think about that for a second. To have that kind of polarized reaction suggests that it very much fits into the ambitious mess category.

True. Judging from the reviews, it seemed like a love/hate film with the critics. Luckily it caught with the audience though. If it had failed at the box office, it would have been automatically named as Nolan's ambitious mess.

 

[Fenrir]

Inception was already it IMHO. It was enough of an ambitious mess that a lot of people liked it, but a number of folks thoroughly hated it. Even though it received a ton of rave reviews, it also ended up with more reviews rated 30 or lower at MetaCritic than Spider-Man 3. Now think about that for a second. To have that kind of polarized reaction suggests that it very much fits into the ambitious mess category.

Perhaps, but it made 825 million at the box office and films that are an 'ambitious mess' fail both critically and commercially. You may be right though, and I do hope Nolan is back on form for TDKR. I mean Memento, The Prestige and TDK level form. Then us Batfans will be in pure ecstasy...and will have bragging rights for life as the only superhero franchise to break the trilogy curse.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I do hope Nolan is back on form for TDKR. I mean Memento, The Prestige and TDK level form.

Inception is better than all of those movies IMHO, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Whoa, The Prestige and The Dark Knight were better than Inception for me.

 

[Fenrir]

Inception is better than all of those movies IMHO, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

You think you can get back at me like that for hating Inglourious Basterds? Oh no, I'm not that gullible. But I'll still hunt you down and kill you for suggesting Inception is better than Memento and The Prestige.

 

[craigdbfan]

Whoa, The Prestige and The Dark Knight were better than Inception for me.

Same.

 

[Cain]

Yeah I've always felt those 3 movies (TDK, Prestige, Memento) were & still are his career best so far. To say Inception is better than any of them is straight up crazy talk imo.

 

[redfirebird2008]

You think you can get back at me like that for hating Inglourious Basterds? Oh no, I'm not that gullible. But I'll still hunt you down and kill you for suggesting Inception is better than Memento and The Prestige.

Spoiler

Bring it on.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Yeah I've always felt those 3 movies (TDK, Prestige, Memento) were & still are his career best so far. To say Inception is better than any of them is straight up crazy talk imo.

And that's exactly how I feel about anyone who suggests TDK is better than Inception. Deal with it.

 

[craigdbfan]

Hey I can see where redfirebird is coming from though.

I for one enjoy watching Batman Begins more than TDK. Not to say that I don't love the heck out of TDK because I do. It's just that I like Begins far more.

 

[Cain]

Then the world is better off with Fenrir hunting you down

 

[redfirebird2008]

Hey I can see where redfirebird is coming from though.

Thanks. Inception and Memento are basically tied for me, but Inception gets the nod precisely BECAUSE of its ambition. It's amazing that he was able to pull off this grand scale story that he's been thinking about for years. It could have easily turned into a trainwreck but it didn't. Prestige is awesome in its own right, but a slight notch below those other two. TDK has some glaring flaws that bother the heck out of me (the voice, the boats scene, the sonar crap, the one liners, and on and on). It's still a great superhero movie but it's not in the class of Inception, Memento, or Prestige.

 

[Anita18]

Inception IS pretty nuts. The structure isn't as in-your-face avant garde as Memento, but once you think about it, it's pretty damn out there. The last hour of the movie is just the job.

The exposition still bugs me a little, but it's something that Nolan had to do considering the nature of the film. I enjoy watching TDK more than any of his other movies. It's just so much fun!

 

[Brother Jack]

If Nolan was to have an "ambitious failure" Inception probably would have been it, because it was such a lofty and out-there concept. It still could happen sometime in his career, I mean the guy is still considered a young director, but I doubt it would be with Batman because that is pretty much guaranteed to be at least a commercial success.