Christopher Nolan's Inception (Thread II)

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I'm sorry but cry me a river about the so-called Nolan hate. Parker-Wayne has just pointed something out to me that nobody pays attention to, Raimi gets far more hate on these forums than Nolan has ever gotten. Nolan has a few of the same posters who say that they are bored with his movies and that his movies are overrated. Some would say that I'm in that group but if you actually read my reviews of his flims and look at the scores I gave his last three films you'd be hard press to call me a hater.

I'm sorry but I don't think that one is a hater if they get annoyed and want to voice their opinion that not every film should look or feel like a Nolan film or that actually find faults with his films. Do I think that some people say that they hate Nolan movies just to sound cool? Yeah, but that doesn't make him the most bashed director on the intertubes nor does that make most negative opinions of his work unreasonable.

I'm sorry but I just can't feel sorry for the criticism that Nolan gets because he hardly ever gets any. If I say I think that the action scenes in the Batman movies look like s**t in the Batman threads I will suddenly be called out as a Nolan-hater who doesn't like the Batman movies. If I say that I don't think that TDK is a masterpeice, I'm again called a hater. If I don't think that it's the best comicbook movie ever then I am a hater with terrible taste for liking them awful Spider-Man movies more. This is the s**t that I've had to go through when I've say one thing less than stellar thing about one of his films. Especially TDK.

It doesn't matter that I think that Nolan is one of the best directors working or that, with the exception of Batman Begins and Insomina, I give his movies really high scores, I'm a hater because I don't honestly didn't think that TDK was perfect. I stand by my opinion that my fellow Nolan fans are the craziest when it comes to him. They deserve most of the bashing that some folks give them because they can't seperate fact from opinion. It's one's opinion that Inception isn't an okay, good, great or even masterful movie. I may not agree with that opinion but it's one's right to have it.

lol The idea that someone is getting up in arms about the most praised director online having some criticism is funny to me. Call me when someone makes that same post about the over-the-top Raimi hate.
 
In terms of hotness? That's an extremely hard one.

no pun intended

But Pfeiffer was the best female character in terms of what she did. A really great performance and she's still the best female character in a comic book film to this day.

In terms of hotness though? Jeez, Kidman or Pfieffer or Basinger.

Scenes that make you unable to decide:

Vicki in her dress at Bruce Wayne's charity banquet

Selina's all around sexiness and the costume. When she's in the Shreck store causing trouble it's damn sexy.

And of course Kidman in just about every scene acting like a horny schoolgirl. Namely the rooftop scene and the bedroom scene. She was a 10.

Christ, if there were such thing as a three sided coin, I would flip it.

:lmao:

Haha the older Batman films had some hot women in it. Too bad Nolan couldn't touch the older films in terms of hotness.

I know right? Why the hell dwell on something you hate? NinjaCarm has his ****ing sigs of "This is not who Spider-Man is" and "This is Spider-Man."

I'm fine with opinions, but people like him and others in those forums make sure to mention their hate for those films in every other post. We ****ing get it.

Oh god, don't get me started on NinjaCarm and his trolling + his opening of useless threads taking jabs at the series.

I'm sorry but cry me a river about the so-called Nolan hate. Parker-Wayne has just pointed something out to me that nobody pays attention to, Raimi gets far more hate on these forums than Nolan has ever gotten. Nolan has a few of the same posters who say that they are bored with his movies and that his movies are overrated. Some would say that I'm in that group but if you actually read my reviews of his flims and look at the scores I gave his last three films you'd be hard press to call me a hater.

I'm sorry but I don't think that one is a hater if they get annoyed and want to voice their opinion that not every film should look or feel like a Nolan film or that actually find faults with his films. Do I think that some people say that they hate Nolan movies just to sound cool? Yeah, but that doesn't make him the most bashed director on the intertubes nor does that make most negative opinions of his work unreasonable.

I'm sorry but I just can't feel sorry for the criticism that Nolan gets because he hardly ever gets any. If I say I think that the action scenes in the Batman movies look like s**t in the Batman threads I will suddenly be called out as a Nolan-hater who doesn't like the Batman movies. If I say that I don't think that TDK is a masterpeice, I'm again called a hater. If I don't think that it's the best comicbook movie ever then I am a hater with terrible taste for liking them awful Spider-Man movies more. This is the s**t that I've had to go through when I've say one thing less than stellar thing about one of his films. Especially TDK.

It doesn't matter that I think that Nolan is one of the best directors working or that, with the exception of Batman Begins and Insomina, I give his movies really high scores, I'm a hater because I don't honestly didn't think that TDK was perfect. I stand by my opinion that my fellow Nolan fans are the craziest when it comes to him. They deserve most of the bashing that some folks give them because they can't seperate fact from opinion. It's one's opinion that Inception isn't an okay, good, great or even masterful movie. I may not agree with that opinion but it's one's right to have it.

lol The idea that someone is getting up in arms about the most praised director online having some criticism is funny to me. Call me when someone makes that same post about the over-the-top Raimi hate.

Haha who said anything about feeling sorry for Nolan? I don't think anyone needs to feel sorry for Nolan. :yay:

My point is that Nolan isn't a bad director and gets some exaggerated hate because he's popular, but he's not the only one. If people don't like TDK, that's fine. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is OMG! NOLAN IS TEH WORST! WHO THE HELL LET HIM IN CHARGE OF TEH BATMAN FILMS! I'm fine with negativity, but there's a time and place for it, and if you're going to be negative, do it with some intelligence to it. Like you, I See Spidey. You always explain why don't like something.

And yeah, Nolan doesn't even received a 10th of the hate Raimi does. Nolan has yet to have a hate thread dedicated to him. :yay::csad:
 
And there's a double standard of the hate with Raimi. Raimi changes things and he's the anti Christ. Nolan changed just as many things in TDK and I haven't heard any complaints. I was surprised not to hear people complain about Dent being scarred differently. That took me off guard in the film. He was motivated because of Rachel's death. A woman.

But oh, God, by making Ock have a wife and giving him more depth and not making him just another crazy ass scientist is such a bad thing. His wife died too.

And yet Nolan gets away with it? I don't get it. But then epople say, "Oh, he changed it for the better." Didn't raimi? Joker was the unsympathetic catalyst in the film and GG was a psycho in the first. Both decided to change the next villain's motivations.
 
I agree with you that there are some over-the-top Nolan hate but it's not nearly enough for me to even pay attention to it. You are more likely to see overdone praise of Nolan than you are hate. I've only seen like one or two posters say that they flat-out dislike the Batman movies and or Nolan's films. I respect one's right to get up in arms about that and I'm not saying that they shouldn't but I like to focus on the real crazy over-the-top hate for a director. I mean, Raimi gets more hate than Mark-Steven-Johnson for goodness sake. Thats strange to me, way stranger than someone saying that Inception is overrated because they didn't think that the dreamworld was special and never felt that the characters were in danger.

Hell, Nolan has so many fans that it's hard to do a drive by "I hated (insert movie here)" post without being raked over the coles. Now granted things are much, much better than they were a year or so ago on the Bat-boards but I still find myself leaving pissed off. Which is why I rarely post there.

BTW, do we really need the I hate Raimi thread and a I never liked the Spider-Man movies thread? Do we really need two f**king threads about how much Raimi "ruined" Spider-Man?
 
No, but there they don't what's intelligent enough to realize it. They just like to repeat themselves.
 
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And there's a double standard of the hate with Raimi. Raimi changes things and he's the anti Christ. Nolan changed just as many things in TDK and I haven't heard any complaints. I was surprised not to hear people complain about Dent being scarred differently. That took me off guard in the film. He was motivated because of Rachel's death. A woman.

But oh, God, by making Ock have a wife and giving him more depth and not making him just another crazy ass scientist is such a bad thing. His wife died too.

And yet Nolan gets away with it? I don't get it. But then epople say, "Oh, he changed it for the better." Didn't raimi? Joker was the unsympathetic catalyst in the film and GG was a psycho in the first. Both decided to change the next villain's motivations.
I guess their response would be that Nolan did it better. He did it in a realistic, less cheesy way. Thats just my guess, I loved Spider-Man 1 and 2 so I really don't give a f**k what their answers are.

Eh, I know I'm kinda off topic but I'm happy to get this all off of my chest.
 
. I mean, Raimi gets more hate than Mark-Steven-Johnson for goodness sake. Thats strange to me, way stranger than someone saying that Inception is overrated because they didn't think that the dreamworld was special and never felt that the characters were in danger.

When was the last time you heard Tim Story's name get mentioned? :hehe:
 
I guess their response would be that Nolan did it better. He did it in a realistic, less cheesy way. Thats just my guess, I loved Spider-Man 1 and 2 so I really don't give a f**k what their answers are.

Eh, I know I'm kinda off topic but I'm happy to get this all off of my chest.

They're equal in my eyes.

What the should know is that Spider-Man has always had cheese to it. Read the early Lee/Ditko comics. Spidey defeated Sandman with a vacuum for God sakes.
 
They're equal in my eyes.

What the should know is that Spider-Man has always had cheese to it. Read the early Lee/Ditko comics. Spidey defeated Sandman with a vacuum for God sakes.
As long as the movie is good, I won't b**ch too much about changes...I'll make a passing comment because I am a fan of the characters and like some things more than others but Joker not being Perma-white doesn't "really" hurt me or change anything.

I guess you didn't get the memo that no humor or cheese is allowed in lighthearted movies. Hell, no movies should be lighthearted.

When I hear some people say that the Spider-Man movies are cheesy I always think "so f**king what?" Wait for that 500 Days of Summer's guy super-serious epic Spider-Man. (I don't know if thats what he's making, I'm just saying something) I LOVE MY CHEESY SPIDER-MAN MOVIES AND THAT UBER-SEMI-REALISTIC THE DARK KNIGHT.
 
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Apparently not. I forgot movies about men dressing up in costumes are for adults only.
 
:lmao:

My point is that Nolan isn't a bad director and gets some exaggerated hate because he's popular, but he's not the only one. If people don't like TDK, that's fine. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is OMG! NOLAN IS TEH WORST! WHO THE HELL LET HIM IN CHARGE OF TEH BATMAN FILMS! I'm fine with negativity, but there's a time and place for it, and if you're going to be negative, do it with some intelligence to it. Like you, I See Spidey. You always explain why don't like something.

And yeah, Nolan doesn't even received a 10th of the hate Raimi does. Nolan has yet to have a hate thread dedicated to him. :yay::csad:
Those people don't exist.
 
I'm sorry but cry me a river about the so-called Nolan hate. Parker-Wayne has just pointed something out to me that nobody pays attention to, Raimi gets far more hate on these forums than Nolan has ever gotten. Nolan has a few of the same posters who say that they are bored with his movies and that his movies are overrated. Some would say that I'm in that group but if you actually read my reviews of his flims and look at the scores I gave his last three films you'd be hard press to call me a hater.

I'm sorry but I don't think that one is a hater if they get annoyed and want to voice their opinion that not every film should look or feel like a Nolan film or that actually find faults with his films. Do I think that some people say that they hate Nolan movies just to sound cool? Yeah, but that doesn't make him the most bashed director on the intertubes nor does that make most negative opinions of his work unreasonable.

I'm sorry but I just can't feel sorry for the criticism that Nolan gets because he hardly ever gets any. If I say I think that the action scenes in the Batman movies look like s**t in the Batman threads I will suddenly be called out as a Nolan-hater who doesn't like the Batman movies. If I say that I don't think that TDK is a masterpeice, I'm again called a hater. If I don't think that it's the best comicbook movie ever then I am a hater with terrible taste for liking them awful Spider-Man movies more. This is the s**t that I've had to go through when I've say one thing less than stellar thing about one of his films. Especially TDK.

It doesn't matter that I think that Nolan is one of the best directors working or that, with the exception of Batman Begins and Insomina, I give his movies really high scores, I'm a hater because I don't honestly didn't think that TDK was perfect. I stand by my opinion that my fellow Nolan fans are the craziest when it comes to him. They deserve most of the bashing that some folks give them because they can't seperate fact from opinion. It's one's opinion that Inception isn't an okay, good, great or even masterful movie. I may not agree with that opinion but it's one's right to have it.

lol The idea that someone is getting up in arms about the most praised director online having some criticism is funny to me. Call me when someone makes that same post about the over-the-top Raimi hate.

I could say: "Cry me a river" back to you but I like ya too much to do that ;). I know of your past with the TDK era, and some how it got to you like no other I understand that. You still have a knee-jerk reaction any time it is talked about 3 years later. I agree there are jerk fans, alongside the haters, and I wish I would have been there more because it was BS what they did to you and you know I sincerely think that. You know I'm a huge TDK fan with many others and we are not like what did that to you.

To say that these Nolan fans deserve that is kinda my point. Why? Because they are popular? Just because there are a lot of us, doe snot mean because there are the jerk posters that all of them deserve the wrath of haters and trolls. Just because there are some bad criminals in lets say LA does not mean all of LA deserves to be eradicated to get back at the few.

Now I'm not some blind person that thinks Nolan has no flaws, all directors do, and all movies do, no matter what one thinks. I agree there are flaws in some of Nolan's things, but to me they are very very minor. And same goes with Spielberg, Cameron, the great Kubrick, so on so forth all of them have flaws, even the Cohen bros. All directors and films have flaws, and most fans of Nolan's stuff do realize that.

However Doctor Jones is 100% right in his first reply to me, I spoke out of being a Nolan fan from my perspective, but this is all over. The Raimi hate is ludicrous, I may not post there much but I've been to the war zone called the Spidey boards as of late. DACMAN, and Ninja Charm have been dong a good job being quite the haters and ripping on anyone that likes Raimi. It is not cool, and is just as bad. I love Spidey 1 and 2 and 2 is still one of my fav comic movies, with some of the best action out there in any film. Acting was top notch too.

But I don't think any fans "deserve" constant blatant hate like I said. I know with you personally you think Nolan fans deserve it but there is a motive behind that. Raimi fans were horrible back in the day to any Bat fan. When Bats was the loser of the group and any of us excited for Begins were torn apart by almost everyone. Additionally I find it funny that so many forgot how bad (or were never here) during the Spidey "on top of the world" times. Constantly they fought amongst themselves, and tore others apart. I remember when I first joined I got torn apart by many led by Visionary who was pissed that I said something like "I don't mind organic web-shooters" man I got torn to pieces. Fans can be mad in any case. And yes the more of them there are it seems more crazy, however I think that just because something is popular doing the opposite and hating for the sake of it like I originally was saying is not good no matter what.

Again I'm not blind to the fact there are bad fans, and many of them get banned, and I think they should along the trolls.

And my thing was personally from the Nolan point of view because it's what I'm experiencing right now. But it's in other areas, and I know its in the Spidey areas really bad, that's why I'm afraid to post in there.
 
Sorry this is so long, but I hope some of the posters on here do read it.

This is something that has just been bugging me for a long time so I have to rant about it. This whole, Nolan fans are horrible, and his movies are over-rated, and Nolan fans think he can do no wrong BS is just ridiculous. On these forums it does come down to two things linked to each other that cause this animosity. Jealousy and popularity.

I guarantee if Speilberg started his career when the Internet existed, there would be tons of people saying “Speilberg is over-rated”, or “Speilberg fans think he can do no wrong” “E.T. really was not that good, it was not as intelligent as some would suggest” You would hear all the same stuff, because he’s popular. People on forums whether they like to admit it or not (I admit it to myself all the time) we are a minority of a minority of a minority of people out there. Many think because they post on the Internet it means they are more intelligent than the “rest” of them out there. And that somehow “we” understand film/everything else better then everyone, because we hide behind their anonymous personality. It is clear with the Nolan hate that many hate it purely because it’s popular. Because now when they go up to most people and talk about Inception or TDK the person will react, they may not have gotten as much out of the film as we do, but they will interact, hence some people get mad, because now they don’t feel intelligent or superior, because the product is popular. So they turn to that person in the restaurant and say, “TDK sucked, it was over-rated” in other words the person is saying: “You’re an idiot, I’m smarter then you. “

It is clear on these boards too when you see the people that usually complain about Nolan fans, or how Nolan’s films are not that intelligent or smart, they have Marvel avatars, or another hero. The reason they do this (not all of them by the way I’ll say more later on that) but it’s because they are jealous. Now that a hero that they did not love, is now considered the king by the majority, they are pissed. I never cried and whined when Spidey was on top, I loved the films and gave it thumbs up. But so many want to tear down TDK and so forth mainly because it’s not their hero of choice. Some try to act as if it’s some other reason, which it may be to a point, but their constant berating and ripping on people who like it is just ridiculous.

Do I think people have a right to an opinion of course, we all do. I just think some people’s opinion is more hidden with another agenda. Either it be they are pissed that it is popular, so they must rip on it to make themselves feel superior. Or that they are mad that it did better than a film they liked, (which really is odd since no one really has anything invested in a given film besides emotion) so they rip on it to again make themselves feel superior or more intelligent. I think everyone deserves an opinion, but I Think some have an agenda behind it, and it may not be what they truly feel but they need to antagonize it for whatever reason.

I love the Social Network, great film, but I find it funny that many that tare praising it, it’s actually looking directly at you and pointing at you. Especially the line: “You write your snide bull s*** from a dark room because that’s what the angry do now a days.” That line is more true than most of them realize, and it is talking directly to them. People don’t realize that spending your time “hating” something is not psychologically healthy, however, on the internet it is like a past time, and usually allowed, and hidden by the “it’s my opinion” when usually there is a reason behind it, usually anger and jealousy.

Example Twilight, I don’t like the films at all, however I never have ran into the threads saying how stupid everyone is that likes it, and that I’m more intelligent because I think so. I find it funny that so many create threads on here just to hate about it, again, they do it to puff up their chest. I feel sorry because I’ve seen people like Angle Farie get ripped on for something she likes, it’s unfair. But then they must remember that doing the same to TDK fans or Nolan fans is just as unfair.

I remember myself I fell into this trap for a brief time, and it’s not something good at all. With Avatar, I did not care for the movie still do not. But I posted for about a week on there, saying how simple I saw the film as. Then I realized that I was as bad as the people that do this for other films. I was trying to make myself feel superior, because this film was insanely popular, and I did not care for it. It broke the record of everything, and it angered me. So then I took a step back and said, I just won’t post in there anymore, there are millions of super intelligent people that love this movie for whatever reason, so why should I go in and try to make myself feel superior, and say that they are not as intelligent as they think they are. It’s just rude.

It really comes down to jealousy and popularity. Most (not all) on here are big nerds, and usually (not always) we are people that are not the socially popular. So I think since High School many on here have been hardwired to hate the “popular kids” I had a friend that hated this beautiful popular girl. I had known her since she was little and we were good friends. And I asked why did he hate her? He simply could only say because she’s everything I’m not, and I don’t like that she’s popular and I’m not. One time he also talked about how he hated Metallica after 1990, because they became “mainstream” I laugh at stuff like that because that usually does not mean their music sucks, or is worse, it’s just that he was jealous that it was now popular. And he could not stand it.

That is sadly the case with the Nolan-Hate train around the internet. Many are pissed that he is popular. It was funny people praised him prior to Begins, then he made a film that was popular especially after TDK, and all of a sudden the films they praised like Memento were “over rated too”. People just don’t like anyone popular. I already foresee that if The Wolverine is good, which I’m sure it will be, many will say Darren is actually not that good, and his other films are over-rated, due to the fact that now he is popular, and many people know his work, or are now learning of his previous work.

Is there anything wrong with having a different opinion of course not I’m not saying one cannot hate Nolan’s work, or dislike it. But many do it for reasons that have nothing to do with the film, but the fans of it. Example, Mr. Earle is a known poster in the Batman forums, he does not care for Nolan’s vision that much at all, especially TDK’s. But you know what? I respect the hell out of him. And I respect his opinion. Because from what I see Earle does not try to rip on the film, to get at the fans, and to make himself seem more intelligent. What Earle does is he truly does not care for the artistic vision of BB and TDK as much and he has valid points for it. He never tries to say we are stupid because we think differently, he gives coherent and full thoughts of it, but he does not call people that like the vision of Nolan’s Bat films idiots, or unintelligent. People can have different thoughts like this.

However when people come into it and try to start something that really is for attention and to piss people off, it’s not good. It reminds me of Dave Chappelle “pleading the fif” in one of his skits. It’s like many run up to a person smack them in the face then run behind the “opinion wall” and shout from there. I’ve seen some almost try to create their opinion of certain films like TDK and say that it’s laughable, and that it’s horribly written, and has tons of plot holes, and yet somehow almost all the professionals in Hollywood praised TDK’s writings, including well known Script writing magazines, or the WGA themselves. And what they agenda is sometimes from these kind of things, is that “Hey Nolan fans or TDK fans or Inception fans are not that smart, I’m smarter, and I’m showing you this, and I’m telling you your stupid for thinking what you think.” This kind of stuff is irritating and tiring, to me a lot of this really is a subtle form of trolling. It reminds me of Ace of Knaves and his many accounts. You would talk about Paris Hilton’s sex tape and somehow he would bring up how TDK is over-rated. 99% of the time TDK is brought up anymore is someone saying it’s not that good, and it’s because they want superiority, and attention.

In conclusion I am saying that yes everyone can have their opinion. But I think some are guided by other motives to either have the opinion, or use it as an excuse to irritate, and troll the forums with immunity. I posted this because one time I almost fell in this trap and still do on occasion we are human after all. But I’m not consistent about it. I find it odd how many people that hate Nolan’s films or the Begins series and yet they spend all their time on the TDKR forums. I hate football (sorry football fans lol) so I will not spend my time in the Sports section of the hype and tell them how stupid it is. Because if I did then what I’m really trying to do is act as if I’m superior to them. I’m not. I can go and do this, but why waste the time? And that’s why I think many do have a second agenda they are trying to achieve, and it is irritation and creating security for their own insecurities in life. You don’t like something great, but spending so much time and energy hating Nolan fans or something similar…you must be doing it for some other reason than “your opinion”

Sorry for the long rant, I’ve just been like a pressure cooker with this lol.
Much of this goes without saying but I'm glad to finally read a well thought out rant about it. ;)

But your point about Spielberg has some holes -- he is criticized all over the internet as an "overrated" talent.
 
Much of this goes without saying but I'm glad to finally read a well thought out rant about it. ;)

But your point about Spielberg has some holes -- he is criticized all over the internet as an "overrated" talent.

And he doesn't deserve it either, even in the 2000s. I liked all of his films except for War of the Worlds and Indiana Jones since the new millenium started.
 
^I really do understand your points and you are right about alot of Spider-Man fans going overboard after Spidey's success but to me it was never to the degree of some of the TDK fans because there were always a good chunk of the intertubes that b**ched and hated on Raimi's Spider-Man movies.

I just plain haven't seen that when it comes to TDK. I'm not against TDK fans raving about the success of the movie and I'm not even against there just being some fans that are A-Holes, like I used to be but I felt that the sane people almost never stood up for the people who smartly pointed out what they found to be flaws in that film when they were attacked. I hate Superman Returns but I stand up for the fans of it when people get out of hand. It's strange to love a movie and give it an 9 out of 10 or an A if you will and still have people pretending that you killed a puppy when you say that you don't like the Rachel character or care about when she died because she was annoying. Or that you found it dumb when people cried over man they didn't know, dying. An actor no less.

I'm trying to get over it because it's not that serious but it's hard to. It's strange because I usually don't hold grudges.

Now that your last line explained why you made that post...eh, I understand...after calming down I do. It was something that you had to get off of your chest and I can never begrudge a poster for doing that. You have that right and so do the Raimi haters...eventhough they are overreacting.

You know I respect and like you Solidus so there were no hard feelings regarding my response to you.

BTW

I don't use overrated when it comes to Speilberg anymore, I just say that he isn't and never has been my cup of tea. I respect him as a filmmaker but he mostly does nothing special for me.
 
That's what I love about the internet. No opinion is ever shocking or surprising.
 
And he doesn't deserve it either, even in the 2000s. I liked all of his films except for War of the Worlds and Indiana Jones since the new millenium started.
No he doesn't.

To a lot of internet dwelling film fans that fancy themselves experts Spielberg typifies BIG expensive Blockbusters (thus evil) and is not a true "auteur". Yeah, I'm sorry, but the man that made films like Jaws, Schindler's List and A.I. Artificial Intelligence is a great, great filmmaker.
 
I must say that I never thought that my silly observation about some comments underneath an Inception/awards related article would generate three pages of debate. :dry:
 
^I really do understand your points and you are right about alot of Spider-Man fans going overboard after Spidey's success but to me it was never to the degree of some of the TDK fans because there were always a good chunk of the intertubes that b**ched and hated on Raimi's Spider-Man movies.

I just plain haven't seen that when it comes to TDK. I'm not against TDK fans raving about the success of the movie and I'm not even against there just being some fans that are A-Holes, like I used to be but I felt that the sane people almost never stood up for the people who smartly pointed out what they found to be flaws in that film when they were attacked. I hate Superman Returns but I stand up for the fans of it when people get out of hand. It's strange to love a movie and give it an 9 out of 10 or an A if you will and still have people pretending that you killed a puppy when you say that you don't like the Rachel character or care about when she died because she was annoying. Or that you found it dumb when people cried over man they didn't know, dying. An actor no less.

I'm trying to get over it because it's not that serious but it's hard to. It's strange because I usually don't hold grudges.

Now that your last line explained why you made that post...eh, I understand...after calming down I do. It was something that you had to get off of your chest and I can never begrudge a poster for doing that. You have that right and so do the Raimi haters...eventhough they are overreacting.

You know I respect and like you Solidus so there were no hard feelings regarding my response to you.

BTW

I don't use overrated when it comes to Speilberg anymore, I just say that he isn't and never has been my cup of tea. I respect him as a filmmaker but he mostly does nothing special for me.

And I 100% respect everything you said, and it's valid. You know I have great respect for you too, and if during TDKR's reviews they act like that again, I'll be right behind you defending your freedom to think which ever way you do. What they did to you was pure bull.

My point is the ones that don't go for their opinion, but actually are trying to hurt others. And I've seen a lot of it on the Spidey boards against Raimi fans, some of them are just cruel beyond belief to those that liked Raimi's Spidey films (I'm one of them well minus the third one) And they have a right to not like it but to tear down others, such as some did to you on the TDK boards is not cool.

As for the Spielberg thing, that's completely cool, I know some don't care for him, different strokes.

But hey, at least we got lots of movies to get excited for in the next year or so.
 
I think his films this decade have been great. Of course not as strong, but the man has the greatest streak for a filmmaker ever.

War of the Worlds is a pretty underrated film I think. Same with KOTCS. Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can are his best last decade.

But boy, 2012 on these boards will be insanity.

May has the Avengers which I 'm sure will have massive expectations. God help Whedon if it disapoints. Or God forbid it's great and suddenly he's a sellout and hack.

July has Spider-Man and Batman out in the same month. This means war for both sides. The crazies will come out with their hyperboles and love the hell out of TDKR, TDK all over again. While if the SM reboot is great the Raimi haters will be screaming I told you so and there will be insane debates there. Then there will be comparisons to which is better. TDKR or the Spider-Man film.

Yes, this all will in fact happen.
 
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July has Spider-Man and Batman out in the same month. This means war for both sides. The crazies will come out with their hyperboles and love the hell out of TDKR, TDK all over again. While if the SM reboot is great the Raimi haters will be screaming I told you so and there will be insane debates there. Then there will be comparisons to which is better. TDKR or the Spider-Man film.

Yes, this all will in fact happen.

This scares me beyond belief, it will be way crazier because of this. I never really thought of this until now. I mean yea I'm more excited for TDKR, but in honesty I want both movies to rule, and kick butt. But you're right, there is going to be blood on the battlefield. I may be one of those crazy Bat fans that is excited for a Spider-man film as well, and want to see both opening night. But I'm crazy like that.
 
I just hope there is no crying Peter Parker in this reboot, other than a "after Ben's death" scene...
 
I think his films this decade have been great. Of course not as strong, but the man has the greatest streak for a filmmaker ever.

War of the Worlds is a pretty underrated film I think. Same with KOTCS. Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can are his best last decade.

But boy, 2012 on these boards will be insanity.

May has the Avengers which I 'm sure will have massive expectations. God help Whedon if it disapoints. Or God forbid it's great and suddenly he's a sellout and hack.

July has Spider-Man and Batman out in the same month. This means war for both sides. The crazies will come out with their hyperboles and love the hell out of TDKR, TDK all over again. While if the SM reboot is great the Raimi haters will be screaming I told you so and there will be insane debates there. Then there will be comparisons to which is better. TDKR or the Spider-Man film.

Yes, this all will in fact happen.

Already getting the arsenal ready.

Bring it on.
 
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