The Dark Knight Christopher Nolan's View On Villains

[ray12204]

i think for the next movie the villains should be.....
the riddler, and the madhatter...
think about it... the riddler likes using his mindgames and riddles

and what about the madhatter's mind control inventions??????

anyone???

 

[secretsquirrely]

Funnily I wouldn't mind Mad Hatter at all. I like the idea of Riddler and Catwoman as well...however keep in mind we are still looking into the past for what we want in a film. "Schumcher killed these characters, let's do them right" I agree, but take a step back, look at the world Nolan has created and let's see who would fit in this world at this time of the story. Freeze would make a great film, but I feel him and/or Poison Ivy would need to wait until the freak factor has become a bit severe. The Joker is a mad man and a freak...yes. But still with him and Two-Face you still only had 4 freaks, Batman, Scarecrow, and the other 2. So Gotham is still not quite the freak infested city we know. I think more lesser known (but known enough) names such as Mad Hatter, Calendar Man, Jane Doe, or even Wrath would be interesting for a film. Hell he could even give Zsaaz a better storyline. I think a Scarecrow/Hatter collab would be amazing. As do I feel with Catwoman and Riddler. Penguin I find too typical at this point. He's just a greedy S.O.B. with cool gadgets and power..he's like Falcone with an umbrella. In that sense, it's been done. Nolan should not take the same route Raimi did with Spider-man by having all of his villains fall under the same ideas. Raimi always went for the misunderstood villain and Nolan so far has brought 3 villains having to do with the mob..luckily we had a villain in BB that was part of himself (Ra's).

 

[markstrange]

Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin and Timothy Olyphant as the Riddler, in one movie. The Penguin as the new Falcone or Maroni and the riddler as the main villain. Perhaps even toss in the Catwoman in as a second rate, background, character just to have her in it.

 

[JokerLedger]

A lot of people tend to like PSH as The Penguin to the point where it's become the Paul Bettany/Lachy Hulme of Penguin candidates haha. My personal favorite is Brendan Gleeson.

 

[JokesonU]

The only way Penguin can work in a Nolan universe is if they made him into a mob boss. Someone dangerous who has made his way through the ranks. Because of his penchant for dapper suits and walk, he gets the nickname 'Penguin.' Yet, at the same time, he won't be as big a threat as someone like the Joker. Penguin would be on the same threat level as say, Maroni & Falconi in my view. And to avoid repeating the same character arc, Penguin's MO has to be reimagined or it'd be useless to include him. Honestly, his purpose in the whole story and universe would end up like Scarecrow's in Dark Knight.

As for Riddler. He'd have to be someone extremely low-key. He's the Riddler. He can be someone who uses his riddles to screw with the Police because he's just too intelligent for them. He can be something like the Zodiac Killer. Only, he does it out of boredom to mess with the Gotham Police. Only Batman is the only one that gives him some intellectual challenges he craves in a sick way.

Catwoman's origin I can only see done the way Frank Miller has redefined her in Year One. A former prostitute turned cat burglar. I'd ditch the skin tight leather spandex and go for something different.

The rest of the rogue's gallery is quite difficult to imagine realistically.

 

[Fanticon]

eh...i thought that the author's post was enough for me to ignore this thread completely...and then i kept reading...basically...to all the people saying penguin won't ever happen in a Nolan movie...just look at what he did with scarecrow....something people thought couldn't be done. but again the original post...penguin could work...but not the way you described it...what are you on?

 

[kyuubijavi1]

Riddler isnt hard at all to do

green suit and top hat with a question mark on the tie
a smart killer that loves to leave behind riddles cause he thinks hes so far ahead of every one that they would never catch him

Penguin a short pudgy guy that wears a suit with a top hat and a pointy nose who loves umbrella's he could easily be a mob boss hell he is one in the comics

Catwoman a simple bugler that took batman's inspiration but turned it around instead of being good she dresses up as a cat and robs people

 

[MaceB]

The Penguin would be a really cool villain I think. I see him as some kind of wealthy, industrious weapons smuggler. (which would make it more plausible to have the umbrella gun...if he even needs that still) To me, he'd be a cut throat business man that would kill anyone in his way. He feels completely above the law. He's a huge threat to Bruce Wayne, because he has nearly as much money as wayne, and is committed to destroying all competition in Gotham. He's also problematic for Batman, since he would have prepared advanced weaponry to exterminate him.
This would also go really great to counteract the feel of TDK. Whereas TDK's villain is all about chaos, the sequel's villain would be about the institutionalized villainy. The Penguin is able to do evil things because he is rich and he knows how to manipulate the system. It puts Batman between a rock and a hard place; he can never trust complete lawlessness, but he can't fully trust the law either because it favors the powerful.

Riddler...could be anything from a brilliant paper pusher, who likes riddles and blackmail - to a mysteriously brilliant serial killer. Either way would work for me. Don't know if the story needs him though. I've never been a big Riddler fan.

Catwoman would be a great distraction as an ex-hooker gone cat burglar. Love it.

And, if it were me, I'd start the movie with a man being dragged into Arkham with a bag over his face. He would cross Joker's cell along the way (I'm totally down to see him with a new actor as long as its w/out make up and a buzzed cut), and then he'd be placed in an all white room with the hood yanked off. We'd see it's Two Face, and we'd know that in some way he's gonna play a role. I REALLY hope they don't get rid of Two Face. It'd be great to see a relationship emerge between Harvey and Bruce; I could imagine a story line in which Bruce comes to see Harvey way too often, because of his guilt.

That would give us Two Face, Penguin, Riddler (possible), Catwoman, and *hell, it'd be cool to see the Joker try to escape a few times if you ask me. That's plenty for a sweet story.

 

[Landfill]

i like the last part with the joker and two face. ive been thinking about this for awhile but they could say that the scars on the joker are part of his makeup and in that way use a new actor for the joker.

i also like the part about the penguin, that would work. i dont know how they would go about calling him the penguin since harvey two face got his name for gordon and friends and joker just came out calling himself that.

 

[kyuubijavi1]

The Penguin would be a really cool villain I think. I see him as some kind of wealthy, industrious weapons smuggler. (which would make it more plausible to have the umbrella gun...if he even needs that still) To me, he'd be a cut throat business man that would kill anyone in his way. He feels completely above the law. He's a huge threat to Bruce Wayne, because he has nearly as much money as wayne, and is committed to destroying all competition in Gotham. He's also problematic for Batman, since he would have prepared advanced weaponry to exterminate him.
This would also go really great to counteract the feel of TDK. Whereas TDK's villain is all about chaos, the sequel's villain would be about the institutionalized villainy. The Penguin is able to do evil things because he is rich and he knows how to manipulate the system. It puts Batman between a rock and a hard place; he can never trust complete lawlessness, but he can't fully trust the law either because it favors the powerful.

Riddler...could be anything from a brilliant paper pusher, who likes riddles and blackmail - to a mysteriously brilliant serial killer. Either way would work for me. Don't know if the story needs him though. I've never been a big Riddler fan.

Catwoman would be a great distraction as an ex-hooker gone cat burglar. Love it.

And, if it were me, I'd start the movie with a man being dragged into Arkham with a bag over his face. He would cross Joker's cell along the way (I'm totally down to see him with a new actor as long as its w/out make up and a buzzed cut), and then he'd be placed in an all white room with the hood yanked off. We'd see it's Two Face, and we'd know that in some way he's gonna play a role. I REALLY hope they don't get rid of Two Face. It'd be great to see a relationship emerge between Harvey and Bruce; I could imagine a story line in which Bruce comes to see Harvey way too often, because of his guilt.

That would give us Two Face, Penguin, Riddler (possible), Catwoman, and *hell, it'd be cool to see the Joker try to escape a few times if you ask me. That's plenty for a sweet story.

Oh I like that

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

Once again, I'm pretty sure Nolan said No Catwoman, and No Penguin. People have too much faith in these characters for the simple fact that they were in Returns, and were done so well in that. Catwoman fits into the realism theme, but if Nolan doesn't want to do it, he won't. Penguin is in my opinion one of the worst and most pointless villains ever created. When Nolan says tricky, he means it would be hard to make the guy cool, although Danny Devito's rendition is the only way to portray a character like that without boring the hell out of the audience. Black Mask would be a great villain for this next film, as would Riddler. I'm pretty sure we'll see Two Face back again, but if they bring Riddler into it, it'll be Batman Forever all over again. I would think Christopher Nolan would know better than that, so it probably won't happen. I'm all for Mad Hatter though.

 

[BruceWayne]

The Penguin would be a really cool villain I think. I see him as some kind of wealthy, industrious weapons smuggler. (which would make it more plausible to have the umbrella gun...if he even needs that still) To me, he'd be a cut throat business man that would kill anyone in his way. He feels completely above the law. He's a huge threat to Bruce Wayne, because he has nearly as much money as wayne, and is committed to destroying all competition in Gotham. He's also problematic for Batman, since he would have prepared advanced weaponry to exterminate him.
This would also go really great to counteract the feel of TDK. Whereas TDK's villain is all about chaos, the sequel's villain would be about the institutionalized villainy. The Penguin is able to do evil things because he is rich and he knows how to manipulate the system. It puts Batman between a rock and a hard place; he can never trust complete lawlessness, but he can't fully trust the law either because it favors the powerful.

Riddler...could be anything from a brilliant paper pusher, who likes riddles and blackmail - to a mysteriously brilliant serial killer. Either way would work for me. Don't know if the story needs him though. I've never been a big Riddler fan.

Catwoman would be a great distraction as an ex-hooker gone cat burglar. Love it.

And, if it were me, I'd start the movie with a man being dragged into Arkham with a bag over his face. He would cross Joker's cell along the way (I'm totally down to see him with a new actor as long as its w/out make up and a buzzed cut), and then he'd be placed in an all white room with the hood yanked off. We'd see it's Two Face, and we'd know that in some way he's gonna play a role. I REALLY hope they don't get rid of Two Face. It'd be great to see a relationship emerge between Harvey and Bruce; I could imagine a story line in which Bruce comes to see Harvey way too often, because of his guilt.

That would give us Two Face, Penguin, Riddler (possible), Catwoman, and *hell, it'd be cool to see the Joker try to escape a few times if you ask me. That's plenty for a sweet story.

I think a really nice spin that could be cool is to have Penguin as the weapon smuggler and he's blackmailing Nygma/Nashton to hack into government website to change weapon shipping routes/date and what not. He then inturns leaves clues or "riddles" in the hopes that someone (ie, Batman) will figure out what's happening.

I just don't know what a good story could be that is threatening enough for Gotham. That's the problem I see with the rest of the villans. TDK was so epic with Joker because he is such a dangerous threat to everyone. The other villans, in the Nolanverse, I see as just small time gimmick crooks.

 

[kyuubijavi1]

I think a really nice spin that could be cool is to have Penguin as the weapon smuggler and he's blackmailing Nygma/Nashton to hack into government website to change weapon shipping routes/date and what not. He then inturns leaves clues or "riddles" in the hopes that someone (ie, Batman) will figure out what's happening.

I just don't know what a good story could be that is threatening enough for Gotham. That's the problem I see with the rest of the villans. TDK was so epic with Joker because he is such a dangerous threat to everyone. The other villans, in the Nolanverse, I see as just small time gimmick crooks.

Well to me not every villain has to want to destroy gotham I mean thats not what makes bat's villains great what makes them great is there kinda real criminals except most of them are juiced up or have a gimmick to them there more physiological than destroy the world threatening Riddler can easily pull off something big that would leave Gotham in a black out allowing all the criminals easy picking to banks stores and what not while Penguin can be a guns man smuggling big weapons to the mob to deal with Batman B3 can be more of a personal war than a global one.

 

[itsthebatman]

A lot of people tend to like PSH as The Penguin to the point where it's become the Paul Bettany/Lachy Hulme of Penguin candidates haha. My personal favorite is Brendan Gleeson.

You gotta be an Irishman to come up with that suggestion.

The only way Penguin can work in a Nolan universe is if they made him into a mob boss.

I don't agree with this. The current comics incarnation of Penguin is perfect - an underworld figure with his fingers in all sorts of pies, with the Iceberg Lounge as his legitimate front.
Bane is a character who could work very well in the next movie, using brain and brawn to get the upper hand on Batman and Bruce Wayne.
We also have to have Catwoman. Just because.

 

[markstrange]

I want to see a Nolan based Animated Series.

 

[Two-Face]

I want to see a Nolan based Animated Series.

Is that what "The Batman" is for.

 

[markstrange]

NO "The Batman" sucks.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

why not just give the Riddler Holiday's story arc? have him kill people and leaving riddles that will lead to the next victim. hell even have the days that he of his crimes spell out his name.

 

[mavsmaniac21]

Yeah, I never saw the Penguin as much of a "freak" except in Burton's film. Really, the Penguin doesn't need to be all that made up for a film. Just get a short, pudgy guy who can be mean and intimidating, give him a monocle and maybe do some make-up for his nose to make it bigger than average but not freakishly ridiculous.

couldnt agree more. penguin can just be a nickname. he doesnt have to be a penguin man. rhys meyers for the riddler.....you have to be kidding me

 

[Closerframe]

Could work:
Penguin, Catwoman, Scarface and the Ventriloquist, Bane, Taila, The Riddler, Mad Hatter, Black Mask.

Couldn't Work:
Croc, Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Poison Ivy

 

[Carnotaur3]

The only way I'd ever want Joker back for a sequel is if Batman needs Joker's help in solving something. It'd be very Lecter-ish, but I think would be freaking awesome.


INT. ARKHAM ASYLUM
Batman: I need your help. I need to know what makes the Riddler tick.

Joker: No, you need to know what makes you tick. We're all the same, bats. All capable of anything and everything. Some of us just choose to be who we were born to be.

Something like that... maybe.

 

[markstrange]

Katee Sackhoff as Catwoman in the New nonexistent live-action nolan based TV show, that coincides with Smallville. or she can be in the next movie.