The Dark Knight Rises Cliffhanger...?

[BatMan032886]

I'd love to see a 4th one. With maybe the return of Ra's or arrival of Talia and incorporate Bane in it somehow. Would love to see him used right. 4 movies would be good for me, so yea a cliffhanger would be cool I suppose

 

[Ronny Shade]

I wouldn't mind a director change for 4...as long as its somebody good.

or me

 

[UA-Archangel]

I'd love to see a 4th one. With maybe the return of Ra's or arrival of Talia and incorporate Bane in it somehow. Would love to see him used right. 4 movies would be good for me, so yea a cliffhanger would be cool I suppose

I'm not against a 4th movie, but so far, three seems to work the best.

If they consider a 4th movie, then they should really be doing 6 movies, with two different over-arching archs, with sub-arcs on each movie.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I'm not against a 4th movie, but so far, three seems to work the best.

If they consider a 4th movie, then they should really be doing 6 movies, with two different over-arching archs, with sub-arcs on each movie.

actually, 2 works best. trilogies tend to fall apart on the third installment.

 

[UA-Archangel]

actually, 2 works best. trilogies tend to fall apart on the third installment.

Not if the trilogy is tight.

But the three cannot really be written separately for it to work.

 

[DarkReflections]

i really dont care. the dark knight ended on a good note, so depending on if nolan really wants to do a couple more, all i can say is in nolan i trust.

 

[gwynplaine]

Me too.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Not if the trilogy is tight.

But the three cannot really be written separately for it to work.

GOOD, written separately:
Indiana Jones
Mission: Impossible

BAD, written separately
Alien
Spider-Man

vs

GOOD, written together
SWOT

BAD, written together
Matrix
Pirates of the Caribbean


toss up

 

[storyteller]

I want it just how you write a comic book. The arc is over. Things have changed but you know Batman will still be Batman tomorrow. The next day may be better then the last or worse then the last. Personally I think it should have that ending. That way someone doesnt get the bonehead idea they they need to restart the series from the origin(not continue it from Nolans films but assume they can start in the middle of batmans career).

 

[Anjow1060]

I just want an ending where I can applaud Nolan, say "thanks man. Job well done."

and let him go off and do this thing. No film maker wants to work on someone elses things forever. Especially a true artist like Nolan.

It should be 'closed' in a sense that we feel fullfilled with this trilogy, but the door should be open for another one.

No DIRECT clues to the next villain, just that another one has arrived. All we need is the batsignal, which every one seems to be in agreement about that it will be the closing moment of the film in one way or another.

No evidence. No winks to the camera. Just the signal. It's a sign that Batman is needed and there's trouble. Which leaves us wanting more. And Nolan shouldn't be like "they should have ______ as the villain in the next one" and screw the new director. As an artist wanting to have his own take on things, I think he'll respect the next artist to take over the franchise.

In a metaphor: Nolan will close the door behind him......but it'll be unlocked and the porchlight will be on.

- Jow

 

[[A]]

I just want an ending where I can applaud Nolan, say "thanks man. Job well done."

That's exactly what I want

 

[Copyright 2008]

and let him go off and do this thing. No film maker wants to work on someone elses things forever. Especially a true artist like Nolan.

It should be 'closed' in a sense that we feel fullfilled with this trilogy, but the door should be open for another one.

No DIRECT clues to the next villain, just that another one has arrived. All we need is the batsignal, which every one seems to be in agreement about that it will be the closing moment of the film in one way or another.

No evidence. No winks to the camera. Just the signal. It's a sign that Batman is needed and there's trouble. Which leaves us wanting more. And Nolan shouldn't be like "they should have ______ as the villain in the next one" and screw the new director. As an artist wanting to have his own take on things, I think he'll respect the next artist to take over the franchise.

In a metaphor: Nolan will close the door behind him......but it'll be unlocked and the porchlight will be on.

I'm not sure that would work. Nolan's Batman movies are unique because of his own personal take on Gotham, Batman and most especially the villains he's included so far. So when you say close the trilogy,do you mean it will be Nolan's last Batman movie, but leave the door open for more in the kind of Gotham City he's created and have someone pick it up from there? If that's what you mean, I don't think that would work out too well for future movies. It's like trying to take someone else's vision and further it without really knowing that person. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Batman dies in the third movie.

 

[Anjow1060]

You are absolutley out of your mind. 100% certifiable good sir.

WB gives Nolan creative freedom, but there is no chance in hell they'd let him kill off the highest moneymaker in their pocket after 3 movies. That's from a buisness standpoint alone.

Artistically, Batman is not the type of character that 'sacrifices' himself. Or IS sacrificed by the artist interpreting him. Batman is a tormented soul. That's what you do to him. Face him with hard choices, and hurt him through those. While Batman is a symbol of hope and good in his world, he, in turn, takes on the pain of others. That's what he allows himself to do (as perfectly illustrated in TDK's ending.) It never gets "better" for him. It gets worse for him as time goes on. Worse for him, and better for the city. The more of the city he saves, the farther removed from society he really is. Why? Cuz no one ever saved him. Less and less people he can relate to. And the people that he can relate to? He feels responsible for that (See: Dick Grayson).

You don't kill off Batman. Batman dies of old age..

alone.

That's the sacrifice he makes.


As far as Nolan leaving the porch light on, I mean in terms of the character's story. The audience FULLY EXPECTS that once the director and the lead actor walk away, that when someone else comes in that their interpretation will go a different way. Don't underestimate the smarts of an audience. (Although I questioned it at points when they kept referring to Begins as a 'prequel' lol). They'll figure it out.

What will be left open is that the character has more to go on through. At this point in film culture people understand and are open to new artists coming in 1/2 way through and doing new things (See: Maggie Gyllenhall, Edward Norton and Don Cheadle).

-Jow

 

[Ronny Shade]

Batman wont let himself get killed.

He knows he'll always be needed.

No killing Batman.

 

[Copyright 2008]

I'm not saying it's likely, just that I wouldn't be surprised if he went that route. You could make almost the same argument that Anjow just did for it. Nolan's movies aren't in any kind of continuity with all the other Batman movies, everyone understands that, so if he were to be killed in the last of 'his' movies it would just be an end to 'his' continuity.

I tend to think of all live action Batman movies as "Elseworld" type Batman comics brought to the big screen. Some things could be completely different than they are usually but it's ok because they share no continuity with anything. You had Burtons gothic movies, Schumacher's bright campy movies and Nolan's grittier more rooted in the real world type movies. That's why I don't understand all this uproar that people have for things like the costume or the batmobile or Rachael or why the Joker looked the way he did or why Two-Face wasn't the Two-Face from the comics. Things like that.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Nolan's movies aren't in any kind of continuity with all the other Batman movies,

Nolan's movies aren't in any kind of continuity with any PREVIOUS Batman movies.

WB is going to keep this franchise going as long as they can.

 

[TheScarecrow]

WB is going to keep this franchise going as long as they can.

Don't be surprised if WB drops the style of Nolan's movies. While I think they've learnt their lesson regarding the serious tone, the realistic style is a finite thing and there are only so many characters who fit it. I'd imagine they'd be looking for someone willing to do something serious and "realistic" to a certain extent, but fantastical enough to accommodate versions of the more unrealistic baddies.

 

[Ronny Shade]

but they'll keep doing batman

 

[Anjow1060]

I agree with you Scarecrow. The fantastical element will need to be brought it, but addressed in a serious tone. Spider-man did that just fine with GG and Doc Ock. Those are so fantastical, but were taken seriously (even if a comic book "style" if that makes any sense.)

Copy - Granted the general audiences aren't stupid - but ask your mom or dad, or a friend's mom or dad what an "elseworld" is and they'll be like........"Where I want to be in January regardless of who wins this election."

lol i keed i keed.

But seriously, they won't know what the hell ur talking about. These films are a "series".
The Schumacher films were in the "Burton Series". They followed the same route. People thought Begins was a prequel to that because it was the same character. But with TDK's stories and interpretations they understand the series in seperate from old. Now they expect this success to be maintained. Style can vary but they want continuity, as do we with "this" version of Batman. Not necessarily the style he's portrayed in, but from his experiences thus so far.

- Jow

 

[Ronny Shade]

Which is why we need JJ Abrams

 

[Ronny Shade]

or William Friedkin

 

[Anjow1060]

Friedkin = ok.

Abrams.......lord please no.

- Jow

 

[Ronny Shade]

Abrams is very very good at integrating the supernatural into an otherwise very realistic world. He's also a comic reader with appreciation for the source material. He's also a very good writer and director.

how is this bad?

 

[[A]]

Abrams is very very good at integrating the supernatural into an otherwise very realistic world. He's also a comic reader with appreciation for the source material. He's also a very good writer and director.

He is..? no sarcasm from me, not this time

 

[Copyright 2008]

Oh my my.