Comic Art you HATE

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I know

It's even funnier to see those animated.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I think we're all familiar with Greg Land and his "artistic" talents.

Pretty damn blatant.

I remember an old issue of Nightwing illustrated by Land in which one rather large panel was an unashamed swipe from an Alan Davis Detective Comics piece.

 

[Mrh7448]

Yep, Greg Land has no shame or originality. Lots of Porn star faces, probably because it's the easiest thing to find online.

I remember reading an interview with him, where he talks about how he'll set his panels up using photocopies and pictures to reference from, but really, he means trace.

 

[[A]]

And yet, some people praise him around here..

 

[Manic]

Who the hell praises him around here? Sure, Havok83 for some reason like Greg Land more than Terry Dodson, but who actually praises his art?

 

[batpawn]

If I'd only get an Euro everytime someone posts a Greg Land manip/collage on here...

 

[RogueDK]

Land supporters can play semantics all they want but the guy is a TRACER....No other way to put it.

If what he does is being fresh and original, well the comic industry's in trouble. Cheat & get a paycheck.

 

[batpawn]

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMwhZryRUr4[/YT]

everytime you guys are talking about greg land, this comes into my mind.

Parental Advisory: Explicit cursing and tracers at large.

 

[Manic]

I'd do the quote-fixed thing for that video, but I don't want to get banned.

 

[Mace Dolex]

Yep, Greg Land has no shame or originality. Lots of Porn star faces, probably because it's the easiest thing to find online.

I remember reading an interview with him, where he talks about how he'll set his panels up using photocopies and pictures to reference from, but really, he means trace.

Somebody mention porn tracing?

 

[Spike_x1]

The 90's were cool, eh? yikes look at this mess, for those who can't tell we've got the covers to Fantastic Four #371, Avengers #360, 366, and Amazing Spider-Man #400.

In the defense of that Spidey cover, it's meant to be an engraving on a gravestone, and you can actually tell what you're looking at when you see it in person (plus it can open it up to expose the real cover illustration underneath if you somehow weren't able to make out the "engraved" picture). Yeah, it's an example of an otherwise bad trend in the 90s, but I think it worked in that one particular case. Of course it doesn't scan well at all, however, since it's not shiny like the other ones there, so it really just looks like a gray blob in the pic above.

 

[[A]]

Who the hell praises him around here? Sure, Havok83 for some reason like Greg Land more than Terry Dodson, but who actually praises his art?

Maybe praise was a bit over the top but I've read people saying I don't care if he traces or not, I love his art or it looks great!!! and stuff like that.

 

[SuperFerret]

I don't care if he traces or not, but I'm not a fan.

 

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Hey, let's all start tracing Picasso -- we could make millions!!!

 

[Spike_x1]

Even if his art wasn't stolen from other sources, I still wouldn't like it. Land's porn faces could be completely original, and merely resemble porn by some helluva coincidence for all I know, but I'd still pass on it since the expressions on his faces are rarely appropriate to the circumstances and his poses look like mannequins instead of having any fluidity.

 

[SuperFerret]

My reasons are much simpler. I don't like the hyper-realistic style of art for comics, I prefer more of a cartoon-ish look. Since Land commonly traces from photographs, his art falls under that category.

 

[Mrh7448]

Even if his art wasn't stolen from other sources, I still wouldn't like it. Land's porn faces could be completely original, and merely resemble porn by some helluva coincidence for all I know, but I'd still pass on it since the expressions on his faces are rarely appropriate to the circumstances and his poses look like mannequins instead of having any fluidity.

That comes from using inappropriate references. I mean at least if he's doing some guy or girl that is angry he could take the time to actually find a reference for it as opposed to just opening up his box of porno mags.

My reasons are much simpler. I don't like the hyper-realistic style of art for comics, I prefer more of a cartoon-ish look. Since Land commonly traces from photographs, his art falls under that category.

I agree. I like some gestural qualities in my comic art. It's the same reason I don't like a Alex Ross anymore. Don't mind it when he's doing pin ups or posters but for actual comic work I find it quite boring. Though his technique is superb the art itself is rather dull.

 

[RogueDK]

My reasons are much simpler. I don't like the hyper-realistic style of art for comics, I prefer more of a cartoon-ish look. Since Land commonly traces from photographs, his art falls under that category.

Me too.

I don't mind alot of artist's realistic approahes (some are fantastic) but comic books are unique for the simple reason that they are cartoons put on paper...and I love cartoons. There's a variety of styles and flow that come out when it's kept looser & less serious-looking than with photo-realism that usually brings a stiffness to the panels.

That being said, tracing is cheating. There's no individual expression that comes out of it, just copyng. Using references to help your pics look good is one thing but what Land does? Unacceptable.

Any non-artist can trace a picture with some effort and look good.

 

[batpawn]

My reasons are much simpler. I don't like the hyper-realistic style of art for comics, I prefer more of a cartoon-ish look. Since Land commonly traces from photographs, his art falls under that category.

what he said.

If Land makes money by tracing pictures, good for him. You can say whatever you want, but he found an easy way to make money, and a comicbook company that is dumb enough to let him keep on doing it. I doubt anyone of you would've something against earning 'easy money' (in inverted comma, since it could easily be the hardest way possible to make a picture by tracing other people's work. I don't know, I haven't done it yet) if you were him.

I just don't care for his stuff overall. It looks stiff, it doesn't appeal to my eyes and worst of all, it lacks any dynamic whatsoever. I'm not hating it, it just doesn't interest me. At all.

 

[Spike_x1]

That comes from using inappropriate references. I mean at least if he's doing some guy or girl that is angry he could take the time to actually find a reference for it as opposed to just opening up his box of porno mags.

While I do agree, I'm well aware that it's because of bad references. No need to point that out. My point was that I don't care about the wrongness of his plagiarism. Even though it is done in a photo-realistic way, I'm saying the art itself is just bad for visual storytelling.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Alright back on topic.

Hey remember the 90's with big guns and big muscles?

The Hulk actually says "Hasta la vista!" inside the comic.

Thor with a machine gun?

Are you kidding me?

Good grief, I never saw that before. Did Captain America have a large machine gun as well?

Cap with a large gun, that Thor, Tony in the War Machine armor and that Hulk would've made one hell of a comic in the 90s. They would've been like Schwarzenegger's team in Predator, only crappier.

 

[Manic]

If you ask me, slamming you in the face with a large hammer is a hell of a lot more brutal than shooting you.

 

[Mace Dolex]

 

[Manic]

Tracing Hugh Jackman posing as Wolverine in a Wolverine drawing. Can't say I'm surprised.

But Ben Affleck and Neal McDonough?

 

[Manic]

Tracing Hugh Jackman posing as Wolverine in a Wolverine drawing. Can't say I'm surprised.

But Ben Affleck and Neal McDonough?