Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More

[Herr Logan]

Out of curiosity, which of you, if any, currently have "significant others"?

 

[Zev]

I plead the Fifth.

Dan Slott tells it like it is. Admittedly, you can kinda tell he's not being as candid as he wants to be, but I'll forgive a little shilling to keep his job.

On an unrelated note, working at Exxon is GREAT! I get to work eight-hour shifts without a chair! It's FANTASTIC!

 

[Herr Logan]

I plead the Fifth.

You're not necessarily pathetic just because you don't.

Dan Slott tells it like it is. Admittedly, you can kinda tell he's not being as candid as he wants to be, but I'll forgive a little shilling to keep his job.

I'll have to read it later. Thanks in advance, though... I hope...

On an unrelated note, working at Exxon is GREAT! I get to work eight-hour shifts without a chair! It's FANTASTIC!

I hate not having a chair. Two out of the three retail jobs I've had, I had to stand up and stay up. My sympathies.

 

[The Joker]

Not a single, solitary one of you cares even a little bit, but there it is. I didn't think I'd still be here to deal with this mundane drek about moving and packing and continuing going to school.
I'd kill each and every last one of you if it meant my Sonia would come back to me back and not change her ****ing mind one day or two weeks later.
No, scratch that... I love you all, my loyal true believers. Just not as much as I loved Sonia.

You know I care feral one, even though that goes completely against the Doc Ock image

PM me if you need a chat. I rarely see you on AIM anymore.

Out of curiosity, which of you, if any, currently have "significant others"?

Not me. Haven't had one for a couple of years now. Relationships are not my cup of tea at the moment.

 

[Cullen]

Out of curiosity, which of you, if any, currently have "significant others"?

No. Never. I lead a solitary life. Too many enemies who might get at me through Her. Could not risk it, especially seeing what happened to Gwen Stacy.

Yep. Too many mortal enemies.

That and I have all the social skills of a drunk daschund.

 

[Herr Logan]

You know I care feral one, even though that goes completely against the Doc Ock image

PM me if you need a chat. I rarely see you on AIM anymore.

I really appreciate that, Ock. You're a good friend to me.

I'll try to be on more. Especially this weekend, since the Hype's going down anyway.

Not me. Haven't had one for a couple of years now. Relationships are not my cup of tea at the moment.

Not mine at the moment, either, apparently.

 

[Herr Logan]

No. Never. I lead a solitary life. Too many enemies who might get at me through Her. Could not risk it, especially seeing what happened to Gwen Stacy.

Yep. Too many mortal enemies.

That and I have all the social skills of a drunk daschund.

My mom has a sober daschund. There's no follow up comment for that.

 

[Herr Logan]

We're back in business, people!!

I'm going to post in each appropriate Safe Haven thread the posts from the Temporary Safe Haven from the ComingSoon.net boards.


Here's the first:


Copied from the Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More (Temporary Shelter)

I've been watching Season 2 of the 'Justice League' animated series on DVD lately, and after watching the episode "Secret Society," I'm positive that I'd want to have there be a supervillain team and have Gorilla Grodd on it. The way he was protrayed in the cartoon, voiced by Powers Boothe (whose character on 'Deadwood' I don't like at all, but that's not his fault), was excellent. It's hilarious how human women keep falling for him even when he doesn't use mind control, too. Then again, Giganta was a gorilla originally, but I digress.

I'd want him to be voiced again by Powers Boothe in a movie. That's coolness personified, is what that is. There's also nothing cooler (or funnier) than a witty gorilla making persuasive arguments that win over even the most jaded of supervillains. I'd probably have him arguing with Lex Luthor every so often over who's actually in charge of the villain team.

I gotta say, a Justice League movie does seem like it's mainly for action purposes. Individual hero movies allow for a more well-rounded type of movie (depending on who the star is), but a team movie full of larger-than-life, god-like heroes like the big dogs at DC seems geared even more towards big-budget action. I wouldn't even say the same of the X-Men, since they are more grounded in each other and a specific predicament, whereas the Justice League (and possibly the Avengers to some degree as well) are the "pick one from each best-selling title" team, and have less in common other than being heroes that are superpowered and/or orphans. Doesn't mean it wouldn't make a great movie. Especially with the dialogue between certain characters, like Batman and Superman, for example.

A slower-paced movie (but not too slow, or else it's a presumptuous failure) would be 'World's Finest: Batman & Superman.' You can allow more time for the villain or villains, as there need not be as many as if it were a full team of superheroes. There would definitely need to be a superpowered bad guy, though, or else it's just not worth it for a live action movie that includes both the Man of Steel and the World's Greatest Detective.

 

[Herr Logan]

Copied from the Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More (Temporary Shelter)

About my Avengers franchise revision:


As I said, the origion of the team as presented in the Ultimates would be best for a film, for the very simple reason that it would be the least convoluted way of introducing the characters. The problem with team books is that it takes a while for the team to come together in a way that follows a logical storyline. In a movie, you don't have the same amount of time, and the end result can seem rushed and convoluted. However, it wouldn't be exactly like The Ultimates, do to it being only on series of comics in a 40 year Avengers history.

The Avengers:

Acting as a sequel to the previous Iron Man, Captain America, Nick Fury: Agent of SHEILD, and Hulk films (we'll talk about the first four later), the movie begins with Nick Fury (more in tune with 616 Fury in both apearence and personality) forming a team to deal with superhuman threats. He's able to recruit Iron Man, Giant Man, Wasp, and former spies for the KGB Hawkeye and the Black Widow. He atempts to recruit Thor, but he denies the offer. The team's first mission (and thus the first fight scene of the film), is to capture Bruce Banner, also known as The Hulk, and bring him into SHEILD custody. The fight goes very badly for the team, seeing as how they lack a very good feild leader. They barely win when Giant Man holds the Hulk down long enough for Hawkeye to shoot him with enough tranquilizers to knock out a bull elephant. Banner is brought to SHEILD headquarters, where he is given the offer of working as a scientist for SHEILD in exchange for not being stuck in a cell all day. He agrees, and begins taking a special medication he created to supress his adrenal levels while working on a way to re-create the super soldier formula created by the united states military in WWII to be used by SHEILD agents.

The process is helped by the discovery of Captain America, frozen in suspended animation and kept alive by his enhanced metabolism. He is thawed out, and the team begins his aclimation to the modern world, begining with the realization that his friend, Bucky, is dead. However, Cap is soon thrown headfirst into active duty when an accident in the lab causes Banner to be exposed to an overdose of metabolic steroids. He transforms into The Hulk, and in a state of uncontroled blind rage, goes on a rampage through New York City. The Avengers show up to try and contain him, but only barely survive the atacks of the much more feral Hulk. They are soon aided by Thor, who shows up at the last minute and engages in one of those epic Thor/Hulk fights we all know and love and defeats the green beast.

One of the main subplots of the film would be Iron Man and Nick Fury dealing with U.N. officials who want a more direct control over the team.


I'll do a write up for the sequels later.

 

[Herr Logan]

Copied from the Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More (Temporary Shelter)

The Kree/Skrull war:

Contrairy to the knowlege of the basic person on the street, there are in fact representatives of alien speicese living on Earth. At least 11 different speices, to be percise. Only a handful represent most of each speicese. The two races with the largest representatives are the Kree and the Skrull. Both sets of extra-terrestrials are scientists doing cultural observations on Earth, and the various Earth governments in turn observe them very closely. The bulk of this responsibility falls upon SHEILD, an international peace keeping/anti terrorism agency sponsored by the United Nations. The story kicks off with members of the Chitauri, a highly xenophobic Skrull terrorist organization, atacking a Kree power plant and killing millions. The Kree, who have been in a soret of cold war with the Skrulls for centuries. take this as an act of war and retaliate against the Skrull.

This soon leads to military forces from both empires to come to Earth and protect their respective scientists. As one would imagine, this quickly escalates into Earth becoming one of the battlefeilds in this galaxy spanning war.

The Avengers, naturally, are called in to try and deal with this threat. The teams split into two groups to deal with the situation. Captain America, Giant Man, Thor, and Iron Man are sent to deal with Skrull forces who have begun atacking earth military forces after representatives of the U.S. government came to the aid of the Kree and helped fight Skrull forces early on. This leads to a rather large and impressive battle between the Kree and the combined forces of Thor, Iron Man, and soldiers from around the world. Captain America, meanwhile, goes aboard the Skrull vessel to force the comanding officer to call back his troops.

Meanwhuke, Black Widow, Hawkeye, The Wasp sneak aboard the Kree warship to try and convince the Kree comander to stand down (possibly at the point of an arrowhead if it comes to that). They sneak their way through the ship, and meet with Captain Mar-Vell, the comanding officer of the ship. Being a very reasonable man, Vell admits that he doesn't want to drag Earth into the Kree/Skrull conflict, but notes that he can't pull out unless he and the Skrull comander can come to some sort of understanding.

Meanwhile, Captain America discovers the Skrull comander, Kl'rt. Kl'rt is one of many genetically enhanced Skrull soldiers known as "Super Skrulls," and possesses high levels of pyrokenisis and telekenisis along with enhanced strength. Captain America begins fighting Kl'rt, lasting for a little while before becoming over powered. Soon, he is aided by Thor, who holds Kl'rt off until the other half of the team arrive with Mar-Vell, who having been bionically enhanced himself, joins in the fight against Kl'rt. Mar-Vell eventually forces Kl'rt to stand down, and the two military forces leave Earth, only to try and kill each other another day.

One of the main sub plots in the film would be signs of Hank Pyms deteriorating mental state.

 

[Herr Logan]

Copied from the Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More (Temporary Shelter)

Also. Just to talk a bit about what I think movie Thor should look like:


His clothing should be a blend of modern clothing and viking armor. He should wear an armored breastplate/shirt like this:

Except, of course, it would be dark blue and have those metal disks that Thor always has. He would wear leather gloves armored with light iron, as in the myths. He would also wear a bit metal/leather belt like this:

Except, more silvery and without the furry bits.

All of this would be worn over leather pants and big black ass whuppin' boots. He would have a beard (since it should be a law that Thor always be portrayed with a beard), and would sometimes wear a long coat. But that can be optional. Also, during big fight scenes (at least in his solo film where he's fighting Loki), the lightning flashes his weather control creats would very breifly show hos true form, which would look like this:

 

[Herr Logan]

Copied from the Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More (Temporary Shelter)

Taken for what it is, I think I'd really like seeing this. I did enjoy the animated Ultimate Avengers movies (especially the first), and this sounds very similar to that. I'm assuming Thor does decide to help the team out at some point, rather than wait for a sequel.

Good job. I like the idea of Iron Man taking a more active role in administrative issues for the Avengers.

Copied from the Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More (Temporary Shelter)

Well, way I see it, Giant Man begins suffering from manic depression and a major inferiority complex. This causes him to become increasingly on edge, lashing out at his teammates and his wife. At one point, during an arguement, Hank grows to giant size and nearly crushes Jan before Cap and Thor hold him down. He then leaves the team and tries to impress them by perfecting an artificially inteligent android. He created Ultron, who then decides that it is his mission to cleanse the world of the "weakness of the flesh," and thus kill everyone on Earth. This then leads to the creation of The Vision, who ends up betraying Ultron and saving The Avengers in the end.



Yeah. At first, Thor denies because he doesn't want to be one of Fury's agents. But then when he hears about the Hulk rampage, he comes to the rescue and becomes an unnofficial member. One thing that woulkd be more origional would be Thor being the one to defeat The Hulk. This is mainly because the public needs to see Thor's badassey fleshed out.



That's an idea I got from the "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" mini series. It was a sort of "Avengers: Year One," and showed the parts in between the issues of the origional run. In it, Iron Man was constantly debating with representatives of the defense department about how the team should be run. I'd just add Nick in the movie.

 

[Herr Logan]

Copied from the Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More (Temporary Shelter)

One problem I see is that you have the team fighting the Hulk not once but twice without any outside villian. For the first movie to be successful, I think it is imperiative that they fight a foe that is worthy of bringing the team together in the first place, not a member of the team.

I agree with that. I'm not going to make an argument for it, considering these are unique circumstances, but I'd certainly put someone in there that the Avengers could convince the Hulk to fight.

 

[Herr Logan]

Copied from the Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More (Temporary Shelter)

Just to clarify, this is a Kree power plant on Earth?

Also, do the Kree have the ability to pass for humans through shapeshifting or psychic ability, or do they need makeup or other technological means to do so?





Very nice. I like this a lot.

Would Kl'rt also have cloaking powers? Would his arms or other anatomy form an orange, rock-like texture on them?

Again, nice summary. I don't have much else to say, since this is a unique situation, as you know, and I don't want to try and sway you too much one way or another. Thanks for posting.

The Hulk isn't a member of the team in the film. I do see what you're saying, though. I don't know. Adding another antagontist just seems rather convoluted. Besides, I just like the idea of Thor duking it out with a roid ragin' Hulk in the heart of Manhatten.



No. Well within the Kree empire. But there are both Kree and Skrull on Earth, so the war comes here pretty quickly.



I'd probably go with surgical alteration.



Do to his shapeshifting abilities, he would have a chamelion like cloaking ability. But I doubt it would be used more than once. As for the orange rock, maybe once when he punches Thor as a little nod to the comics.

I'm sure that'd be a killer scene, Ind it deserves to be in the movie, but this is going to be most people's induction to the Avengers. In the context of a first 2 hour movie, it's essential that you have a reason for the team to exist. They cannot just get together for some threat that isn't seen on screen. And getting together to beat the crap outta the Hulk, twice, just isn't enough motivation. In fact, Millar acknowledged that early in the first arc. That was one of the reasons that Bruce pumped up was to give the team a threat, a reason for their assembling.

 

[Zev]

Is it just me, or would Chiwetel Ejiofor make an awesome Black Panther. He's probably best known as the Operative in Serenity, and for having a name that makes it sound like he should be on the Jedi Council. Any thoughts?

 

[Herr Logan]

Is it just me, or would Chiwetel Ejiofor make an awesome Black Panther. He's probably best known as the Operative in Serenity, and for having a name that makes it sound like he should be on the Jedi Council. Any thoughts?

He'd need to get in better shape than he was in 'Serenity.' Also, he's not the right color, I don't think. I'm sure he could do a strong, miscellaneous African accent (Wakanda's made up, so I don't know what accent it's supposed to resemble). He sure as hell can't be doing the part in his own British accent.

Mr. Eko (one of my new favorite characters as of the first 11 episodes of Season 2) from 'Lost' is my pick, personally. He even looks kinda cat-like I'm not very knowledgable about the character, but I know he's got a strong accent, is very dark skinned, and in unspeakably good shape.

 

[Herr Logan]

ANNOUNCEMENT:

I've got about three days left where I know I'll have easy access to the Internet for a little while. I'm moving on Friday to a house that doesn't yet have cable internet hooked up and I'm having my current modem taken back by the cable company on Thursday morning. If there's anything you know you want me to read any time soon, try to post it before Thursday.
I'm going to try and get hooked up as soon as possible in my new place, but I don't know when that will be. I'll probably be able to check in from the campus library in a few days either way.

 

[Herr Logan]

In a couple hours, the cable guy's taking my modem. In one day, I move out of my apartment and into a house with strangers.

This will be the first time I'll be living on my own, even if there are other people there. I feel it would actually be better if no one else lived there, since I'm not that good with people; long term, anyway. The fact that I'm miserable as hell and resentful at the world and at myself since my woman done left me a month ago doesn't help. I'm pretty anxious and downright scared about this move and my future. Just thought I'd share that.

More emotional baggage for your viewing pleasure...
I'm actually pretty dismayed at how well I'm doing, considering the circumstances. I haven't felt the full barrage of ongoing misery over the breakup yet. Short periods every day of real pain, but I seem to be ignoring it and the past five years pretty well, compared to what I expected. The Power of Negative Thinking is probably behind it, since I expected to be completely non-functional, instead of merely impaired, and the Universe has seen fit to prove me wrong... for now. Either way, I know it'll hit me at some point, and even if it doesn't, I'll never be confident with a woman again. I'll never feel secure again in a relationship and believe it will last. Even if I was the kind of guy who could date around easily, I'm paranoid about diseases and I'm a very jealous and insecure person when it comes to love. A real catch, I am. The guilt of everything I did wrong in my relationship is eating me up. I feel guilty a lot in general.

Enough whining. Just wanted to vent a little. Hope you all are doing well and aren't suffering. See you all when my internet is hooked up at my new place, or when I can get on the Internet on campus, whichever comes first.

 

[Herr Logan]

Well, I'm hooked up with Internet at my new basement dwelling space. I'll be more active than I have for the past couple weeks from here on out, obviously.

Break out the whatever-yer-drinkin' and celebrate, God damn it!!

 

[Cullen]

Well, I'm hooked up with Internet at my new basement dwelling space. I'll be more active than I have for the past couple weeks from here on out, obviously.

Break out the whatever-yer-drinkin' and celebrate, God damn it!!

Oh, we are. We are.t:

 

[Cullen]

This post has been moved to the forum listed below. (As in Herr Logan's post and not my own blog. Not that my blog wouldn't have been a good place for it.)

 

[Herr Logan]

The thread you're looking for is here:


FANTASTIC FOUR: Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More

Please repost in the appropriate thread for discussion. Thanks.

 

[Cullen]

The thread you're looking for is here:


FANTASTIC FOUR: Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More

Please repost in the appropriate thread for discussion. Thanks.

No, no, no. Thank you. I'll repost and remove.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Bumping....

 

[Herr Logan]

Bumping....

Um, thanks.

Anything in particular you want to contribute here, Lightning, or to any of the other Havens? If I recall correctly, your primary interests lie with the X-Men and the Fantastic Four.