Conan - Part 2

[Thundarr]

I'd watch that.

Ditto!

Problem is they've already had a couple of TV adaptations, neither of which were enormously successful.

The animated series, Conan The Adventurer, was fun but not entirely "true" to REH's original stories. Granted, they DID have to "kiddify" Conan for the target age demographic. However it didn't last as long as the producers had hoped. The final episode had the final defeat of
Wrath-Amon and the demon-god Set, but hinted that there would be future seasons where the main villains were Ram-Amon and/or the sorceress, Mezmira. But they never happened.

Then there was the live action series by the same name, which came on right after Xena: Warrior Princess. That was an utter failure, which was lucky to have lasted an entire season. The acting was bad, the writing was worse, and the SFX were beyond cheesy.

While the proposed idea of an HBO/Showtime series with full Conan style sex & violence is a good one, these two relative failures might cause TV producers and networks to reject it.

 

[rogue trooper]

Just get John Milius to blow the dust off his King Conan script and give Arnold the crown.

John Milius' script could be more than welcome, but keep Arnold away from Conan. Jason Momoa is the more definitive Conan.

3000th Post!

 

[x-fan]

Someone said during the filming of this one that if it did well the plan was to do a more faithful REH adapted story, the studio wanted an orgin story so they gave us one, sadly too many people stayed away due to what ever reason and now we will have to wait years and sadly get another crappy origin story. The cycle will continue great job guys for killing what might have been a good follow up movie, Mamoa to date has been the best version of Conan I hope when someone finally decides to do another one the actor can at least be as good.

 

[zanos]

I think we know why people stayed away from this one.

 

[DarkKnight88]

John Milius' script could be more than welcome, but keep Arnold away from Conan. Jason Momoa is the more definitive Conan.

Not according to the general public.

 

[babbage]

Someone said during the filming of this one that if it did well the plan was to do a more faithful REH adapted story, the studio wanted an orgin story so they gave us one, sadly too many people stayed away due to what ever reason and now we will have to wait years and sadly get another crappy origin story. The cycle will continue great job guys for killing what might have been a good follow up movie, Mamoa to date has been the best version of Conan I hope when someone finally decides to do another one the actor can at least be as good.

Conan doesn't need an origin story. :\ He's not a superhero.

And ugh, Milius.

 

[rogue trooper]

Not according to the general public.

Give it time. Conan The Barbarian(2011) did prove to be a successfull dvd, and, in a years time, I can see it becoming a bit more appreciated as a film that presented a Conan closer to the books.

 

[C. Lee]

Not according to the general public.

rogue trooper was talking about more definitive as in closer to the original written context....something the general public doesn't have the slightest knowledge of.

 

[E.NormusJohnson]

Give it time. Conan The Barbarian(2011) did prove to be a successfull dvd, and, in a years time, I can see it becoming a bit more appreciated as a film that presented a Conan closer to the books.

While that may be true it certainly won't be more appreciated by the general public because the movie was downright awful... and I chalk that up more to Nispel than anything else. Momoa might have done a decent job at this new iteration of conan, but unfortunately for the franchise Momoa still isn't all that well known and the trailers reeked of B-movie cheese.

If they ever reboot this again it needs to be wayyyy less campy.

 

[Tanin]

While that may be true it certainly won't be more appreciated by the general public because the movie was downright awful... and I chalk that up more to Nispel than anything else. Momoa might have done a decent job at this new iteration of conan, but unfortunately for the franchise Momoa still isn't all that well known and the trailers reeked of B-movie cheese.

If they ever reboot this again it needs to be wayyyy less campy.

Wait... Arnold Schwarzenegger played Conan? I could have sworn that was just a generic movie with Conan's IP tacked on...

Good film... but so disappointing that they had to use Conan's name.

 

[E.NormusJohnson]

Wait... Arnold Schwarzenegger played Conan? I could have sworn that was just a generic movie with Conan's IP tacked on...

Good film... but so disappointing that they had to use Conan's name.

As opposed to them giving the name to Nispel so he could bury the franchise for another decade?

 

[rogue trooper]

Info on deleted scenes: http://conancompletist.forumactif.com/t2226-conan-the-barbarian-2011-deleted-scenes-list

Maybe if an extended cut could be released sometime close to when Legend of Conan reaches theatres.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Wait... Arnold Schwarzenegger played Conan? I could have sworn that was just a generic movie with Conan's IP tacked on...

Arnie plays a completely different guy, also named Conan, wandering R.E. Howards world. Think of it as the Hyborian Age's Life of Brian.

 

[Thundarr]

I'm really getting tired of all the Arnold bashing on this thread. Is this a "Conan" thread or a "Schwarzenegger Sucks" thread?

Arnold's representation of Conan was AWESOME. Was it a 100% accurate adaption of REH's original stories? No. Why? Because as great as those stories are, they don't translate well to film. Therefore some liberties needed to be taken with the original material.

Conan goes from bein a 16 year old barbarian going out into the world just because he has a major case of wanderlust to seeing his people butchered by Thulsa Doom and spending the next twenty years as a slave, then as a gladiator, and finally as a thief as he goes on a quest of vengeance.

Jason Mamoa's Conan may have been a little closer to REH's original stories, but they maintained the "evil wizard butchered his people sending him on a quest for revenge" angle. So they are both equally "not at all like REH's original stories".

What's more, Jason Mamoa's sword is made out of plastic, while Arnold's was made out of 10 pounds of steel (which is why Jason's swordsmanship seemed so much quicker than Arnold's), and he spent the entire movie wearing a kilt which looked more like a woman's skirt. At least Arnold wore the animal skins of a barbarian from the frozen north.

The VFX in Arnold's Conan were all practical and still look awesome. Jason's Conan VFX looked fake when it came out, and look even worse now, relying too heavily on CGI as they do.

Arnold's Conan is a flawed hero, overindulging in drugs and alcohol, getting injured on the battlefield, etc. Jason's Conan is treated like Superman, who can do no wrong and walks out of every battle without a scratch.

My point is, if you want to pick nits, you can trash any movie adaptation of any novel/comic franchise. So, while Arnold's Conan wasn't the most faithful adaptation of REH's books, it was by far the superior movie to Jason Mamoa's. Jason's Conan, while being more faithful to Conan's origins at least, was all about the CGI and the story kinda fell flat. Plus, I hated the kilt.

Now if Jason were to dress like Arnold did in the original, used Arnold's sword and not some plastic knockoff, and the producers used practical VFX rather than CGI, and write a better script, then we would have gotten a pretty decent Conan flick.

Anyway, lay off Arnold already. His Conan rocked and he's finally returning to the role in Legend Of Conan (something I've been waiting to see since 1984).

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

If Arnold doesn't play Conan I'm not interested in watching, that no namer Jason Mamoa was god-awful and so was the new film in general, I couldn't even finish it.

 

[Victarion]

I preferred the Elder Horror from the more recent Conan film to Thulsa Doom, but I agree with your points on Arnold's sword and the path he took as a pit fighter, thief, etc. However, I don't like picturing Arnold's Conan when I'm reading the stories.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I'm really getting tired of all the Arnold bashing on this thread.

Then go elsewhere. No one's attacking Schwarzenegger personally, and most everyone likes the original Conan film. But Conan himself is about as close to the REH version as Julian McMahon was to the comic version of Dr. Doom. Which is in name only. That's a legit complaint.

You only seem to be in this thread to **** on the new movie. Don't like it? Fine. But don't accuse people of "picking nits" when they have perfectly valid reasons for doing so, while you proceed to do the the exact same thing.

 

[jacobed]

The only good thing about Arnold's Conan is the music that Nintendo started to use in the Zelda trailers.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I consider John Milius' Conan the Barbarian to be a masterpiece and one of the greatest films ever made.

But it was a piss poor adaptation of what Howard created.

The way I think of it is that Arnold's interpretation of Conan is like Sean Connery's Bond; popular and great as it's own thing but very different from the source material, whereas Jason Momoa's Conan was like Timothy Dalton's Bond; extremely accurate to the actual character from the novellas but let down by a horrible film.

Hopefully after Arnie's version gets his conclusion we'll get a version that is both accurate and epic in scale.

 

[craigdbfan]

I consider John Milius' Conan the Barbarian to be a masterpiece and one of the greatest films ever made.

It really is. Poledouris score is so beautiful too.

I never get tired of watching that movie. Everything just came together so nicely.

 

[Roose Bolton]

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Conan 1982 is a one of the best fantasy films ever made. Arnold was iconic.
All the stuff related to the Discipline of Steel was great.
Now, if we could get a King Conan movie with Arnold before the man fossilize it would be nice.
Momoa was not bad but his movie didn't have the epic feel of Conan 1982.

 

[rogue trooper]

I consider John Milius' Conan the Barbarian to be a masterpiece and one of the greatest films ever made.

But it was a piss poor adaptation of what Howard created.

The way I think of it is that Arnold's interpretation of Conan is like Sean Connery's Bond; popular and great as it's own thing but very different from the source material, whereas Jason Momoa's Conan was like Timothy Dalton's Bond; extremely accurate to the actual character from the novellas but let down by a horrible film.

A very appropriate analogy

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah that's pretty spot on.

 

[ChickenScratch]

A very appropriate analogy

Yes, it is very well stated isnt it?

I know Jason won't be back for Conan, but now I wanna see him in another similar barbarian/swashbuckler role with lots of swordplay.