Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Zoken]

Donald Peirce
Sunfire
Iron Man
Magnus

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Pierce
Sunfire
Night Thrasher
Magnus

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Donald Pierce currently beating Prodigy 6-5
Iron Man currently beating Night Thrasher 9-2
Sunfire currently beating Sebastian Shaw 8-3
Magnus currently beating Ezekial 9-2

 

[Darren Daring]

Prodigy
Iron Man
Sunfire
Magnus

 

[JewishHobbit]

Magnus
Sunfire (Famine)
Iron Man
Donald Pierce - (Tough one for me, as I wanted to vote for Prodigy, but I think that in the end, Pierce would pull it off. Good debates on both ends )

 

[DarkHellRider]

prodigy
Iron Man
Sunfire
Magnus

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Donald Pierce tied with Prodigy 7-7
Iron Man beat Night Thrasher 12-2
Sunfire beat Sebastian Shaw 11-3
Magnus beat Ezekial 12-2

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 1,

Match 5:

Hank Pym (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio



vs.

Jack Of Hearts (PHAEDRUS45) bio




Match 6:

Deathlok (HIPPY FASCIST) bio



vs.

Marrow (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 5:

Gladiator II (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio



vs.

Topher (ZOKEN) bio

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Match 6:

Halloween Jack (AHURA MAZDA) bio



vs.

Thunderbird III (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

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[Phaedrus45]

REMATCH:

Prodigy - Slingers (HARLEKIN) bio



vs.

Donald Pierce (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: Transia

Transia is a fictional European country on the Earth of the Marvel Universe. It is located between Transylvania, Romania and Yugoslavia. More than 90% of its people live in one large town (East Transia) and a number of smaller villages located at the base of Mount Wundagore.
Tranisa was a former section of Wallachia before that country integrated with Moldavia in 1857 to form Romania. Transia broke with the two larger countries and established its status as an independent state, and was recognized 20 years later as an autonomous, neutral nation. Transia is governed by an elected official (burgomeister) who is bound by law to follow the country's constitution to the letter. The nation's main source of income comes from the uranium found in and around Mt. Wundagore -- Herbert Edgar Wyndham funded a national non-profit trust with the money gathered from his uranium mine that still provides money for Transia to operate its government programs, and thus they have no need of outside investors or a tourist market. This, along with the (intentionally-fostered) negative international image, keeps many foreigners out of Transia.
Transia (and/or Mt. Wundagore) is where Chthon is imprisoned, and was where the men of the Russoff line were afflicted with the curse of lycanthropy. It was also the birthplace of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, and of Jessica Drew. It was the base of operations for the High Evolutionary, and the source of the "radioactive clay" used by the Puppet Master.

SIDENOTE: People inhabit the village; but, you can expect them to be hiding in their dwellings. Mt. Wundagore is not off-limits; but, the High Evolutionary's base is not there any longer. Neither is the radioactive clay that the Puppet Master uses.

 

[Harlekin]

REMATCH: Prodigy vs Donald Pierce

Okay, we had a tie last week which I hope to avoid this time, so here we go.

Why Prodigy would win, by Harlekin:
- Neither combatant has any definitive advantage by facing each other again, except they know what the other one is capable of enduring. That just ensures they hit each other a lot harder. Beyond that, neither could still do a lot during preptime, since they really haven't gained any info about one another.
- Donald Pierce is a dirty communist.
- Prodigy likes to beat people up, a lot and with righteous vengeance. This is payback for the tie last time, and Prodigy will stop at nothing at getting the win. Imagine the most competitive jock in your school or at work, that's Prodigy. He's a *****, but he gets the job done.
- Donald Pierce is still a dirty commie.
- My opponent will undoubtedly tell you that Pierce can now use Prodigy's weaknesses against him. A good point, except the only weakness Prodigy really has a psychic one, namely, he's prone to irrational and recklessness behaviour. This can both aid and really hurt Pierce, because we're talking a grand asswhooping here if he doesn't watch out.
- In closing, Prodigy took on Iron Man while drunk. HOW COOL IS THAT!?

WINNER=PRODIGY

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Match 6:

Halloween Jack (AHURA MAZDA) bio



vs.

Thunderbird III (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio



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What do we know about Halloween Jack. He is a different version of Loki with extensive shape shifting powers and power absorption. Also, he remembers and can reproduce all the powers he has stolen before. He is however a bit insane. I would say think of the movie character The Mask and add absorption powers to him. Now Thunderbird is a powerful being but he is going up against an insane shape-shifting, power absorbing, magic using god–like being.

Of course, thunderbird would not have a clue who Halloween Jack is as he is a 2099 character whereas HJ would know about Thunderstrike as a historical character.

The way I see this battle happening is for Thunderbird using flight will go searching for Halloween Jack. Of course, he has no idea what he is searching for because HJ could just as easily be in the form of a fly or a cow. As Halloween Jack has the powers of Meanstreak, among others, he can use whatever form he is in and super speed over to Thunderbird and simply touch him…at that touch he also gains all of Thunderbird’s powers. The battle could only go one way and that is the defeat of Thunderbird.

I would just like to note one thing, Halloween Jack was the villain of the 2099 X-Men series……yes it was him against all of the X-Men of that timeline and he was formidable.

Winner: Halloween Jack

 

[Zoken]

Topher

if at night
Topher is a vampire, but an enhanced vampire. Flames don't kill him and removing his heart doesn't kill him. only sunlight does. while Gladiator may be an excellent martial artist, he's not going to stand a chance against somone who's been doing this for 90 years. especially since Topher can heal like deadpool.

During the day...

... he sends minions?

 

[JewishHobbit]

Thunderbird III Vs Halloween Jack

Now this is a tough match for me to debate because I love Jack oh so much,... but alas, he must die!

Neither of these characters will be aided by the location, and neither will know anything about one another. Jack is from the future, and though he is currently in the main 616 timeline, he hasn't been seen since his first appeaance in an issue of X-Force. Anyhow, he's from the future, but it was well known that little was known of the heroic age, save some names and faces. They knew some of the main names like Spiderman, Xavier, and Magneto, but many of the other names were lost through the years. I'd be hard pressed to believe that a little name like Thunderbird III would survive all those years.

Now, that being said we have both parties showing up in this town that is inhabited. Neal wouldn't provide much of a threat, and Jack isn't one to just cause turmoil, until he's ready for it. He'd be flying around as a bird, or just disguised as a person, until he finds Neal. He would then study him, but Neal would have no reason to use his power, so Neal would get nothing from him that way. Jack isn't a man of patience, so he would eventually just show himself, probably in the form of a bird or beast, or child with a knife, etc.

Talk would ensue and finally I picture Jack endangering a human life to force Neal into using his powers. He'd would do so, firing off a bit of plasma to the ground, and Jack would have his answer.

All is going Jack's way so far, but the thing is that Neal is no dummy. He was trained by the best of the X-Men in Jean and Cable, then Xavier, then Storm and lastely Bishop. He would know that Jack is trying to gage his powers, and so he showed them... but not all of them. Jack would know that he can shoot plasma, but Neal hadn't shown him that he can actually turn his form into Plasma.

The way I see it, Jack would take advantage of this and keep the hostage as a shield until he strikes in the form of a snake or something quick. He would quickly attack and flea, attack and flea, etc. Probably taking the forms of a snake, a beast, a bird, etc. I know that he can retain the powers of another person copied, but I actually do not remember him ever using that ability in the comics. He mostly just turned into animals or beasts and that was it. He never used Meanstreak's speed, and he was around him constantly. So I don't think he'd use that much. Also, Jack is smart, very smart, but he's also impulsive and cocky, and that will be what gets the best of him.

Anyhow, I won't go through the details of the match, but Jack would be attacking while dodging Neal's plasma blasts. Jack's fast, but he's not fire proof. Then Neal will see the time is right, an as Jack comes in for another physical assault, Neal will turn a part or all of himself into Plasma last minute, and Jack will get a heck of a burn. He will run away partially in flames, but Neal will douse him with a waterhose or something (not wanting to kill him), and as Jack is recovering, a few decent punches will render him unconscious.

Winner - Thunderbird III

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Rebuttal

Thunderbird III Vs Halloween Jack

Now this is a tough match for me to debate because I love Jack oh so much,... but alas, he must die!

No he does not ...let me tell you why

Neither of these characters will be aided by the location, and neither will know anything about one another. Jack is from the future, and though he is currently in the main 616 timeline, he hasn't been seen since his first appeaance in an issue of X-Force.

I will admit it is unlikely but not impossible that he knows but that really does not matter.....in any case as you say thunderbird would know nothing....

Now, that being said we have both parties showing up in this town that is inhabited. Neal wouldn't provide much of a threat, and Jack isn't one to just cause turmoil, until he's ready for it. He'd be flying around as a bird, or just disguised as a person, until he finds Neal. He would then study him, but Neal would have no reason to use his power, so Neal would get nothing from him that way. Jack isn't a man of patience, so he would eventually just show himself, probably in the form of a bird or beast, or child with a knife, etc.

You seem to forget something as soon as Halloween Jack touches him he gains use of his powers as well as his psyche and knowledge of said powers. A bit like Rogue...

Talk would ensue and finally I picture Jack endangering a human life to force Neal into using his powers. He'd would do so, firing off a bit of plasma to the ground, and Jack would have his answer.

All is going Jack's way so far, but the thing is that Neal is no dummy. He was trained by the best of the X-Men in Jean and Cable, then Xavier, then Storm and lastely Bishop. He would know that Jack is trying to gage his powers, and so he showed them... but not all of them. Jack would know that he can shoot plasma, but Neal hadn't shown him that he can actually turn his form into Plasma.

The way I see it, Jack would take advantage of this and keep the hostage as a shield until he strikes in the form of a snake or something quick. He would quickly attack and flea, attack and flea, etc. Probably taking the forms of a snake, a beast, a bird, etc. I know that he can retain the powers of another person copied, but I actually do not remember him ever using that ability in the comics. He mostly just turned into animals or beasts and that was it. He never used Meanstreak's speed, and he was around him constantly. So I don't think he'd use that much. Also, Jack is smart, very smart.

The thing is in the comics he is rarely put in a position where he needs to but in this scenario you know he could. Plus he would have full knowledge of Thunderbird just from a touch which he can take looking like a child as you so eloquently mention. Once he touches him he will have full use of his powers plus all the other powers he already has use of. I also would like to put forward that he necessarily has meanstreak's powers as he has touched him many times. He just never needed to use them.

Also as you say he mostly used his changing into well known forms but mostly is not always and when circumstances demand it Halloween Jack can be very powerful. One wehere he is a match for the full x-men.

Therefore with plasma powers, superstrength, superspeed, shape shifting abilities, and a true devlish streak Halloween Jack would take this.

Lets not forget, Halloween Jack is endowed with the full powers of Loki among others, as well.

 

[JewishHobbit]

REBUTTAL

What do we know about Halloween Jack. He is a different version of Loki with extensive shape shifting powers and power absorption. Also, he remembers and can reproduce all the powers he has stolen before. He is however a bit insane. I would say think of the movie character The Mask and add absorption powers to him. Now Thunderbird is a powerful being but he is going up against an insane shape-shifting, power absorbing, magic using god–like being.

The Mask is a great comparison!

Of course, thunderbird would not have a clue who Halloween Jack is as he is a 2099 character whereas HJ would know about Thunderstrike as a historical character.

As mentioned in my debate, the heroes of the 20th century weren't as well known. Main names were known, but not minor ones. Heck, when Miguel O'hara brought up Spiderman, most didn't know who he was talking about. A minor name like Thunderbird wouldn't be remembered, I think it's safe to say.

The way I see this battle happening is for Thunderbird using flight will go searching for Halloween Jack. Of course, he has no idea what he is searching for because HJ could just as easily be in the form of a fly or a cow. As Halloween Jack has the powers of Meanstreak, among others, he can use whatever form he is in and super speed over to Thunderbird and simply touch him…at that touch he also gains all of Thunderbird’s powers. The battle could only go one way and that is the defeat of Thunderbird.

Not a bad idea but Jack seldom used other people's powers (truth is, I can't remember one time where he did). I know that the bios say he can do this, and he probably could, but it didn't happen enough to where it was common, so him doing it so much in this match would be unlike him and a bit of a stretch.

I would just like to note one thing, Halloween Jack was the villain of the 2099 X-Men series……yes it was him against all of the X-Men of that timeline and he was formidable.

Jack was a great character, but he's not as formidable as it sounds. First off, he never faced all the X-Men. He took out Luna with a surprise attack, and then pursuaded Meanstreak to follow him to Vegas. Then at vegas he fought Meanstreak and Krystalin, and lost. That was the only time he's faught the X-Men. While in Vegas we see him fight the Enforcers, but they're pretty much a joke, so that wasn't anything big, and he had Meanstreak's help at that. Then he fought a huge brute guy and was losing until Meanstreak saved his butt. Big Brute guy attacked again later, but Doom killed him without hesitation. After Krystalin and Meanstreak's defeating him in Vegas, that was the last we saw him in the X-Men 2099 book. Now there's a continuity err after that, but both stories dont' make Jack look very good either. The world was flooded by Atlantis, and the heroes of the world fled. Jack became a contestant in Vulture 2099's arena of death, and in it he coward and was killed by one punch by a bahemoth character. Not good for Jack. The other side of the continuity err was that when the world was flooding, he traveled back to the heroic age (current age). He fell in love with Domino and sadistically tried to capture her. Domino single handedly kicked the crap out of him... and Domino sucks. That's not saying much for Jack.

In truth, I don't think Jack ever won a fight on his own, with the exception of his attacking Luna from behind. So far he has a wonderfully embaressing record... what will it be when he's forced to face Thunderbird, a trained X-Man? Just a bunch of the same embaressment!

Winner - Thunderbird

 

[JewishHobbit]

Rebuttal



No he does not ...let me tell you why

Sure he does... let me tell you why

I will admit it is unlikely but not impossible that he knows but that really does not matter.....in any case as you say thunderbird would know nothing....

This is true, and I'll grant you the touching thing... so we'll let this point go.

You seem to forget something as soon as Halloween Jack touches him he gains use of his powers as well as his psyche and knowledge of said powers. A bit like Rogue...

Again, I'll let this go also. I don't remember it ever stated in the comics, but since I've read several bios mentioning it, I'll let it ride.

The thing is in the comics he is rarely put in a position where he needs to but in this scenario you know he could. Plus he would have full knowledge of Thunderbird just from a touch which he can take looking like a child as you so eloquently mention. Once he touches him he will have full use of his powers plus all the other powers he already has use of. I also would like to put forward that he necessarily has meanstreak's powers as he has touched him many times. He just never needed to use them.

Okay, deal... I like the idea of him becoming a child and touching him to get his powers. That could work well, and I can see him doing that. However, would he actually use the powers? Or Meansteaks? The thing is, he could have used them against the brute that attacked him (Lynton Synge I think his name was) but he didn't. He jumped around all agile like for a while, but in the end he was being choked in a headlock begging the guards to shoot the man... and then Meanstreak came along and saved him. He obviously didn't use speed there. Why would he use it in this match?

Also, he would probably then know that Neal can turn into Plasma, but can he predict when it'd happen? No. He has to attack somehow, and that means he has to get physical. Now, he can get burnt close up when the time is right (as he has been hit in mid attack before) or he can get burnt when a plasma blast hits him. Remember, Neal's plasma blasts are extremely quick, like a lazer beam. It isn't slow sludgy stuff. Jack could dodge it for a while, but eventually he'll mess up. And if he KNOWS that Neal can turn into Plasma, he'd be more hardpressed to come in close for a physical attack, which is about all he's good for.

Also as you say he mostly used his changing into well known forms but mostly is not always and when circumstances demand it Halloween Jack can be very powerful. One wehere he is a match for the full x-men.

Again, he never once took on the full X-Men. The most he ever took on was 2, and he lost. In fact, with the exception of a sneak attack on Luna, he's lost every fight he's been in unless he had help.

Therefore with plasma powers, superstrength, superspeed, shape shifting abilities, and a true devlish streak Halloween Jack would take this.

He would be a heck of a threat, but he's never utilized his might in the comics, and it goes to say he wouldn't here either. Heck, he wanted to take on Doom when he became President of the United States, and did squat. He spouted threats and promises, but no attack. Why? Because Jack is all talk no bight!

Lets not forget, Halloween Jack is endowed with the full powers of Loki among others, as well.

Granted, but he did away with the Loki stuff when he became Jack. He said that if he was to be a monster, he'd be a monster of his own choosing. From that point on he never mentioned or did anything regarding Loki again (save the shape changing). Anything beyond the shape changing, would be a moot factor for this match.

Winner - Thunderbird III

PS... go read X-Men 2099 everyone.... it's one of my favorate series' of all time!!!

 

[Phaedrus45]

JACK OF HEARTS



vs.

Hank Pym



This is a very interesting match-up. Both characters are former Avengers, and will have plenty of access to each other's files. All their history will become available. The difference is shown in the pictures above. Clearly, for anyone who's been reading Avengers for as long as I have, know that Hank Pym has yet to become the man he once was. This is a man who is still effected by his physical abuse towards Jan, and that will only be of use to Jack Of Hearts in this battle. Let me play out the scenario of this week:

The setting: Transia. The people: Hank Pym and Jack Of Hearts. Flash forward 24 hours. Prep time is over. Jack of Hearts and Hank Pym are wisked away to Transia, where the population is cowering for fear in their little houses. Flying in the air, Jack knows that Hank's bright yellow costume will only help to give him away. But, Hank cannot reach the Jack Of Hearts; for, even if Hank makes a device allowing him flight, he simply doesn't have the training, experience, or durability of Jack Of Hearts.

Bellowing below, Jack Of Hearts yells, "Hank! Come out, Hank. You don't want to hurt these people like you did Jan! We can take care of this, man to man. Let's not have innocent people getting hurt. Let's make this fight fair...let's not hurt innocent people, like the way you hurt Jan." The comment about Janet will sting Hank worse than anything The Wasp has ever given to a villian. And, when his fear of hurting others effect him, he will be the most easy of targets.

(And, even if the above scenario doesn't play out, there really isn't much that Hank Pym could do against Jack Of Hearts. Not only power-wise, but I ask the voters to look at how little Hank Pym has accomplished since he left the Avengers in disgrace.)

Winner: Jack Of Hearts

 

[Ahura Mazda]

The Mask is a great comparison!

Thanks at least we agree on something

As mentioned in my debate, the heroes of the 20th century weren't as well known. Main names were known, but not minor ones. Heck, when Miguel O'hara brought up Spiderman, most didn't know who he was talking about. A minor name like Thunderbird wouldn't be remembered, I think it's safe to say.

As you will read in my rebuttal of your statements I concede this point and am willing to go with the possibility that he does not know know thunderbird either.

Not a bad idea but Jack seldom used other people's powers (truth is, I can't remember one time where he did). I know that the bios say he can do this, and he probably could, but it didn't happen enough to where it was common, so him doing it so much in this match would be unlike him and a bit of a stretch.

the thing is he can use them and as you will read above I put forward that in an extreme condition like this battle he can. He is smart enough to.

Jack was a great character, but he's not as formidable as it sounds. First off, he never faced all the X-Men. He took out Luna with a surprise attack, and then pursuaded Meanstreak to follow him to Vegas. Then at vegas he fought Meanstreak and Krystalin, and lost. That was the only time he's faught the X-Men. While in Vegas we see him fight the Enforcers, but they're pretty much a joke, so that wasn't anything big, and he had Meanstreak's help at that. Then he fought a huge brute guy and was losing until Meanstreak saved his butt. Big Brute guy attacked again later, but Doom killed him without hesitation. After Krystalin and Meanstreak's defeating him in Vegas, that was the last we saw him in the X-Men 2099 book. Now there's a continuity err after that, but both stories dont' make Jack look very good either. The world was flooded by Atlantis, and the heroes of the world fled. Jack became a contestant in Vulture 2099's arena of death, and in it he coward and was killed by one punch by a bahemoth character. Not good for Jack. The other side of the continuity err was that when the world was flooding, he traveled back to the heroic age (current age). He fell in love with Domino and sadistically tried to capture her. Domino single handedly kicked the crap out of him... and Domino sucks. That's not saying much for Jack.

In truth, I don't think Jack ever won a fight on his own, with the exception of his attacking Luna from behind.

Well first off lets agree that Luna is very powerful having incredible strength and durability. therefore for him to take her out even by surprise, he had to have considerable power to do so.

The Domino sequence in her opening comic and halloween Jack was used as a plot device that did not show his true power...plus he was in love.

Plus as you state earlier in how he took out Luna what would have prevented HJ to take Halloween jack to take him by surprise. He could have simply been in the form of a mosquito, fly, flea, lice land on Thunderbird, who would still be unaware of him and transform into a brontosauraus immediately crushing him...that would have ended the battle very quickly indeed.

I just mention this to say the possibilities are endless for Halloween Jack to win .....

 

[Phaedrus45]

And, yet, more!!!

Another bio of Jack Of Hearts states the following:

"Powers Jack was able to generate bursts of energy in the form of concussive force, intense heat, or propelling force that enabled him to fly. He was also capable of absorbing energy from other sources. He possessed superhuman levels of healing and endurance and could survive unprotected in space. Although he only had normal intelligence, his thinking capacity was enhanced by a scanning device which gave his thought processes the speed and efficiency of a highly advanced computer. Jack also had superhuman strength.

Abilities

Jack is a trained S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, the extent of which is unknown."


I stress a few points: a) his SHIELD training, something which adds another totally different dimension to this match; b) his thought processes, which have "the speed and efficiency of a highly advanced computer," which will not only assist him in prep time, but also make it so he can alter his strategy if needed during the battle; c) his superhuman healing and endurance makes this a match that Hank Pym would have the lowest of percentages of winning. Jack Of Hearts took full powers hits from the Hulk, and got up right afterward to continue fighting. There really isn't much that Hank is going to be able to do.

Again, Jack Of Hearts knows he's going to have a psychological edge over Hank. Not only does his past still effect him, as shown in recent comics with his attempts to still date Janet and constantly prove himself to her; but, Hank's mind will further be on Janet, because she has a deadly match against a highly trained Asgardian this same week.

Winner = Jack Of Hearts

 

[Ahura Mazda]

This is true, and I'll grant you the touching thing... so we'll let this point go.

Now we agree on two things....

Again, I'll let this go also. I don't remember it ever stated in the comics, but since I've read several bios mentioning it, I'll let it ride..

Wow even a third point so to recap...

1. He is like the Mask
2. He would gain full knowledge with a touch
3. he would gain full use of Thunderbird's powers as well

Okay, deal... I like the idea of him becoming a child and touching him to get his powers. That could work well, and I can see him doing that. However, would he actually use the powers? Or Meansteaks? The thing is, he could have used them against the brute that attacked him (Lynton Synge I think his name was) but he didn't. He jumped around all agile like for a while, but in the end he was being choked in a headlock begging the guards to shoot the man... and then Meanstreak came along and saved him. He obviously didn't use speed there. Why would he use it in this match?

He would use them in this match because he would realise he had no choice to. It is not because that in the past a character has made mistakes that he cannot do things different in the future. You are certainly not disputing with me that Halloween jack has the potential which you admit to above just of his willingness to use them.

Also, he would probably then know that Neal can turn into Plasma, but can he predict when it'd happen? No. He has to attack somehow, and that means he has to get physical. Now, he can get burnt close up when the time is right (as he has been hit in mid attack before) or he can get burnt when a plasma blast hits him. Remember, Neal's plasma blasts are extremely quick, like a lazer beam. It isn't slow sludgy stuff. Jack could dodge it for a while, but eventually he'll mess up. And if he KNOWS that Neal can turn into Plasma, he'd be more hardpressed to come in close for a physical attack, which is about all he's good for.

Yes but Halloween jack can turn into plasma himself therefore eliminating the use of Thunderbird's powers....

He would be a heck of a threat, but he's never utilized his might in the comics, and it goes to say he wouldn't here either. Heck, he wanted to take on Doom when he became President of the United States, and did squat. He spouted threats and promises, but no attack. Why? Because Jack is all talk no bite!

Yes Doom 99 was an uber c

 

[Zoken]

Hey Boss-Men, can we get a ruling on time of day? Topher's a vamp who's only known weakness is sunlight.

 

[wiegeabo]

Hey Boss-Men, can we get a ruling on time of day? Topher's a vamp who's only known weakness is sunlight.

I'd say it's ok to assume the fight is at night. But it'd probably be safer to writeup arguments for fighting in the night and day times since your opponent can just as rightly assume the fight is during the day.

 

[Zoken]

If it's day time, then Topher's boned, all Gladiator II would have to do is throw him through the wall of a house, or even just bring down the house and let the sun shine in.

If it's night time, the Topher owns. he is super strong, fast, and durable. resistant to fire, and injury, and heals like deadpool. he had his heart impaled by a magic staff and he got up and kept going!