Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Harlekin]

Adam X
Damien Hellstrom
Gorgeous George
Monet

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Adam X currently beating Songbird 6-0
Ronan currently tied with Damien Hellstrom 3-3
Georgeous George currently beating Debrii 4-2
Doc Octopus currently beating Monet St. Croix 4-2

 

[wiegeabo]

Adam X
Doctor Octopus (thought I would vote for Monet, but JH put up a good defense)
Hellstrom
Gorgeous George

 

[primemover]

Adam X
Ronan
Georgeous George (doesn't seem like any way for Debrii to hurt GG, but I don't jive with the 'won't hurt civilian' defense)
Monet St. Croix

 

[hippy fascist]

Adam X

Georgeous George (Good point about the civilians )

Monet St Croix (Wins it on flexibility)

Hellstrom (Just all kinds of awesome )

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Adam X beat Songbird 9-0
Damien Hellstrom beat Ronan 5-4
Georgeous George beat Debrii 7-2
Doc Octopus beat Monet St. Croix 5-4

 

[Harlekin]

Wow, that was close for Hellstrom/Ronan. I lucked out on that one.

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 1,

Match 1:

Helix (WIEGEABO) bio

vs.

Iron Man (PHAEDRUS45) bio

Match 2:

Jack Of Hearts (PHAEDRUS45) bio



vs.

Adam Warlock (WIEGEABO) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 1:

Mastermind (DARTHPHERE) bio

vs.

Magnus - Exiles (PHAEDRUS45) bio

Match 2:

Halloween Jack (AHURA MAZDA) bio



vs.

Sunfire - Exiles (KYTRIGGER) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

Location: Alcatraz

Alcatraz
Californian island prison, operational 1859-1963, held superhuman criminals in the 1940's. First appeared in Marvel Mystery Comics #25 (1941).


(This is probably going to be just your basic prison. Figure you are going to expect what you'd see in our world, unless anyone comes up with information different in their research. It will be in today's time; so, the basic prison stands, but it's been a tourist spot for some time. Also, nobody really has to worry about security features, like we've had with previous prisons. Also, you can go outside the prison; you just can't leave the island. Flight is possible, but within reason, as JH stated. Let's say 1/4 of a mile in the air is alright.)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Mastermind vs. Magnus-Exiles:

This should be one of my easier matches this week.

Magnus bio:

AbilitiesElectromagnetic manipulation,
Force field generation,
Energy blasts,
Flight,
Ability to turn living beings to metal


Also:

Magnus can control electromagnetic energies, allowing a wide variety of different effects (including flight, energy blasts and force fields). Flesh-to-flesh contact with Magnus is lethal, transforming other beings into solid steel.

Mastermind's Bio:

Mastermind's mutant powers are of illusion casting. He can psionically cause other people to see, hear, touch, smell, and/or taste things that don't exist. For this to work, these people have to be within a range of his powers. He is capable of affecting even telepaths.


What hurts Mastermind in this match is the fact Magnus will know of Mastermind's powers, even though he's from the Exiles world. Most mutants have various different entities in the world's the Exiles visit, and I would bet that Magnus' world had a Mastermind. Knowing Mastermind's abilities and being prepared for them when starting to fight is half the battle. Magnus shouldn't have a problem here.

Winner = Magnus-Exiles

 

[Phaedrus45]

Helix vs. Iron Man:

Poor, poor Helix. Just as we get to view his bio, it's most likely that Tony Stark will know everything about Helix, too. Sadly, Helix will pretty much know only what the news tells him. Even if the New Warriors had information on Iron Man, it wouldn't do Helix much good. He pretty much only speaks Spanish and still suffers from amnesia.

Here is Helix's bio:

Powers & Paraphenalia
Strength Level: Superhuman, can lift or press between 800 lbs. and 25 tons.
Powers: Helix is a hyper-adaptoid whose body unconsciously and instantaneous adapts to external stimuli, especially attacks. When mutating, his physical size, strength, speed and durability usually increase and his skin gains spikes or blades that can have metallic, armored or frictionless properties.
Abilities: Speaks fluent Spanish and little English.
Equipment: N/A
Weapons: N/a
Limitations: Without any external stimuli, his body reverts back to its original state.


By now, we all know Tony's bio. Tony will realize that going into the match and hitting Helix would be a stupid thing to do. He would come prepared to simply incapacitate him through other means, like a gas to render him unconscious. This is a bad luck-of -the-draw for Helix. Tony won't have a problem with this D-lister.

Winner = Iron Man

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Match 2:

Halloween Jack (AHURA MAZDA) bio



vs.

Sunfire - Exiles (KYTRIGGER) bio

What do we know about Halloween Jack. He is a different version of Loki with extensive shape shifting powers and power absorption. Also, he remembers and can reproduce all the powers he has stolen before. He is however a bit insane. I would say think of the movie character The Mask and add absorption powers to him. Now Sunfire is a powerful being but she is going up against an insane shape-shifting, power absorbing, magic using god–like being.

Of course, Sunfire would not have a clue who Halloween Jack is as he is a 2099 character. HJ is unlikely to know much about Sunfire either, but he can figure out her powers are heat related. Both would now the location.

The way I see this battle happening is for Sunfire to go searching for Halloween Jack. Of course, he has no idea what he is searching for because HJ could just as easily be in the form of a fly or a cow. As Halloween Jack has the powers of Meanstreak, among others, he can use whatever form he is in and super speed over to Sunfire and simply touch her…at that touch he also gains all of Sunfire’s powers. The battle could only go one way and that is the defeat of Sunfire.


Winner: Halloween Jack

 

[wiegeabo]

Helix vs Iron Man

Anyone going up against Iron Man is facing a major opponent. Prep-time obviously favors Tony who has access to so many resources. Of course, Helix will at least know the basics about Iron Man because of his New Warriors connections.

The locations gives Helix a number of places to hide in ambush. The problem with that is Tony's sensors would warn him where Helix is hiding.

So this fight is going to come down to the powers in Tony's suit versus the hyper-adaptability of Helix mutant power. By definition, Helix's power activates due to any external stimuli. There's no way Iron Man can engage Helix without exerting external stimuli. This means, besides Helix's increased strength, size, speed, durability, and armor (blades and spikes), Rafael's body will also adapt to anything Tony throws at him.

And this isn't always a conscious effort on Rafael's part. It's not like he has to see or sense an attack and shift his body accordingly. The instant his body senses the stimuli, it adapts itself. So any surprises Tony has in store for Helix, he can overcome.

And, yet, Rafael can will his genetic structure to change. He's reconstructed himself, grown wings, increased his strength, all when he wanted to. So, while his body my unconsciously adapt to protect him, Helix will also be able to create his own adaptations to fight Iron Man.

This fight could last a long, long time. And much of the prison would probably be in shambles. But it is a fight Rafael can walk away from.


Helix wins.

 

[wiegeabo]

Adam Warlock vs Jack of Hearts

After this fight, there won't be much of an island left. Here are two very experienced fighters, energy-wielders, and energy manipulators. (Although Adam may have an advantage there.)

Prep-time may favor Jack who worked with the Avengers. If he can access their resources, and they include Adam, he gets an edge. I don't think Adam would know about Jack of find anything on him.

Despite how evenly these two are matched, though, Adam has some advantages. Adam can fly, while Jack can only fly by using blasts from his hands as thrust. Which means Jack can't attack while flying. Adam can.

Jack has the power to defeat the Hulk. Adam has the power to defeat Thanos. Adam probably has more power, durability, and faster healing. And, if Jack somehow does enough damage, Adam can always heal himself in a cocoon.

Adam also has a couple of neat tricks that he pulls out whenever he needs them. One is his abilities is to reappear after apparently being destroyed. Call it cheap, but Adam's done it a number of times before. Adam also is a master of stealth. Actually, his ability is beyond stealth. He was able to hide from Nebula in plain sight, and she had a Gauntlet. So it should be no problem for him to hide from Jack, and attack at the right time.

This is going to be a long, drawn-out battle. But one that Adam will eventually take.


Adam Warlock wins.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Helix vs Iron Man

Anyone going up against Iron Man is facing a major opponent. Prep-time obviously favors Tony who has access to so many resources. Of course, Helix will at least know the basics about Iron Man because of his New Warriors connections.

Like I mentioned, there are two problems with Helix getting information on Iron Man that will do him any good: 1) He has amnesia and 2) He pretty much only speaks Spanish, and everything would (more than likely) be written in English.

The locations gives Helix a number of places to hide in ambush. The problem with that is Tony's sensors would warn him where Helix is hiding.

I agree.

So this fight is going to come down to the powers in Tony's suit versus the hyper-adaptability of Helix mutant power. By definition, Helix's power activates due to any external stimuli. There's no way Iron Man can engage Helix without exerting external stimuli. This means, besides Helix's increased strength, size, speed, durability, and armor (blades and spikes), Rafael's body will also adapt to anything Tony throws at him.

Tony will know Helix's powers stem from external stimuli. There will be many options, including using a gas to knock him out, that can be used to engage Helix without exerting external stimuli. Tony will know this and he will know how to engage Helix without having his powers become too much to deal with.

Now, I won't respond to the rest; because, it all supposes that Iron Man would be attacking Helix in a way that wouldn't benefit him at all. Tony just has to fill the area with a gas that will render Helix unconscious.

Winner = Iron Man

 

[kytrigger]

Halloween Jack (AHURA MAZDA) bio



vs.

Sunfire - Exiles (KYTRIGGER) bio

Okay, so we have Sunfire vs. a pretty cool 2099 character.

Halloween Jack can shapeshift into anything he understands (ie animals and other humans). Also, once he tsomeone with powers, he can mimic those as well. This would normally make him a pretty tough opponnent, but since he is comepltely bat-**** insane, he doesn't use his powers as effectively as he could.

Sunfire is basically like 616 Sunfire only a lesbian. She can superheat and control plasma and radiation and fly.

Neither will know anyting about the other since Sunfire is an Exile, and Halloween Jack is from the future, so they will both be going in blind.

Halloween Jack is definately more ruthless, but has never shown himslef to be a huge threat. His main plan was to take over Las Vegas, which while admirable, is nowhere near the plans Loki (who he thinks he is) has dreamed up.

Jack will undoubtedly try and shift into other people/animals. Since the pplce is abandoned, he can't really sneak up on Sunfir disguised as a human, so that tactic is out.

The biggest threat of Halloween Jack is that he can touch you and absorb you. Well, he can't really do that to Sunfire. The fact that if he gets within five feet of her, she will burn him up, makes this a distanced competition, somethign halloween Jack isn't as good at, and somethign Sunfire does all the time.

Jack might have som epowers that are long range, but he isn't that good a t using them since they aren't his own. Sunfire using her own poers she has mastered is much better equipped for this battle. She can straight up burn him, or just start melting away the steel in the building and have the entire thing collapse on him.

Either way, she has nuetralized his deadly attack of absorbtion.

Winner-Sunfire

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttals

What do we know about Halloween Jack. He is a different version of Loki with extensive shape shifting powers and power absorption. Also, he remembers and can reproduce all the powers he has stolen before. He is however a bit insane. I would say think of the movie character The Mask and add absorption powers to him. Now Sunfire is a powerful being but she is going up against an insane shape-shifting, power absorbing, magic using god–like being.

God like being? He was crazy and THOUGHT he was Loki, not actually Loki. Being crazy and thinking he was a god doesn't mean he is that powerful. He has good shapshifting powers that he has demonstrated by turnign into people, animals, and giving himself claws.

The mask is also much more powerful than Halloween Jack (since he is Loki also)

Of course, Sunfire would not have a clue who Halloween Jack is as he is a 2099 character. HJ is unlikely to know much about Sunfire either, but he can figure out her powers are heat related. Both would now the location.

Agree, both would pretty much be going in blind on each other, and they would know the location (although it probably won't really help either of them)

The way I see this battle happening is for Sunfire to go searching for Halloween Jack. Of course, he has no idea what he is searching for because HJ could just as easily be in the form of a fly or a cow. As Halloween Jack has the powers of Meanstreak, among others, he can use whatever form he is in and super speed over to Sunfire and simply touch her…at that touch he also gains all of Sunfire’s powers.

Well, I think if Sunfire randomly saw a cow on teh island that would be prett suspicious, but I get what you're saying. The bigest prblem with this is that Sunfire is a flier. Meanstrak is fast, but can't run on air. The other major problem is that Sunfire emits heat and radiation. If she doesn't know where Halloween Jack is, she will automatically become defensive and put up a small "barrier" of heat around herself. If Jack even tries to touch her he'll be burned before he can.

Sunfire's powers make this a long-range fight, which is somethign Jack isn't used to. She has the advantage here, and will put Jack down.

Winner- Sunfire

 

[wiegeabo]

Like I mentioned, there are two problems with Helix getting information on Iron Man that will do him any good: 1) He has amnesia and 2) He pretty much only speaks Spanish, and everything would (more than likely) be written in English.

Amnesia only means he's forgotten things before a certain point. He wouldn't necessarily have trouble remembering anything that happened afterwards. And that would include anything he learns about Iron Man. And Rafael doesn't need to read about Iron Man since he could just watch him on tv. And as much as Tony gets on the news, it shouldn't be hard for Helix to figure out his basic powers (and more if he watches a spanish speaking channel).

Tony will know Helix's powers stem from external stimuli. There will be many options, including using a gas to knock him out, that can be used to engage Helix without exerting external stimuli. Tony will know this and he will know how to engage Helix without having his powers become too much to deal with.

Now, I won't respond to the rest; because, it all supposes that Iron Man would be attacking Helix in a way that wouldn't benefit him at all. Tony just has to fill the area with a gas that will render Helix unconscious.

The problem with this is that everything is an external stimuli. Once Helix's body detects the gas, it will spontaneously adapt (he may no longer need to breath, or maybe can breath the gas with no harm). Fighting Helix is much like fighting Lifeguard because, whatever you use against him, his body will adapt.

Combine that with Rafael's ability to adapt his body at will, and Tony will be facing a formidable enemy. One that can instantly resist Iron Man's attacks, and create his own attacks at will.

Helix wins

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Okay, so we have Sunfire vs. a pretty cool 2099 character.

Halloween Jack can shapeshift into anything he understands (ie animals and other humans). Also, once he tsomeone with powers, he can mimic those as well. This would normally make him a pretty tough opponnent, but since he is comepltely bat-**** insane, he doesn't use his powers as effectively as he could.

If he used all his powers as effectively as he could potentially he would be the most powerful being in this contest. As it is, he is more then powerful enough to take on Sunfire.

Sunfire is basically like 616 Sunfire only a lesbian. She can superheat and control plasma and radiation and fly.

Neither will know anyting about the other since Sunfire is an Exile, and Halloween Jack is from the future, so they will both be going in blind.

One thing I would like to note that with a name like "Sunfire" it is pretty easy to assume you are facing somebody with solar heat powers.

Halloween Jack is definately more ruthless, but has never shown himslef to be a huge threat. His main plan was to take over Las Vegas, which while admirable, is nowhere near the plans Loki (who he thinks he is) has dreamed up.

Actually in the 2099 timeline he was granted the powers of Loki because of a program that attempted to recreate the Asgard pantheon.

Marvel 2099
In the Marvel 2099 line of series, the original Asgardians were no more. However, belief in them had grown into a full-fledged religion with many followers. Seeking to take advantage of this, a corporation called Alchemax decided to create their own pantheon. One of the company's scientists, Jordan Boone, decided that he wanted to have powers and snuck himself into the program while avoiding receiving a computer chip implant which would give him falsified memories of his godhood. Jordan became the Loki of the program, but fled before the program and their floating fortress were destroyed. He later reappeared and remade himself as the villainous Halloween Jack who went about trying to warp the entire world with a Virtual Unreality Projector.

Jack will undoubtedly try and shift into other people/animals. Since the pplce is abandoned, he can't really sneak up on Sunfir disguised as a human, so that tactic is out.

The place is abondonned by people not insects or other animal life.

The biggest threat of Halloween Jack is that he can touch you and absorb you. Well, he can't really do that to Sunfire. The fact that if he gets within five feet of her, she will burn him up, makes this a distanced competition, somethign halloween Jack isn't as good at, and somethign Sunfire does all the time.

This is where we differ. He has to survive little more then an instant as he willl gain her powers which include immunity to her own powers if he just touches her. Now I have several options which would allow me to do that. He can change into an armorred insect resistant to great heat

First off, Meanstreak's powers include Superhuman speed, stamina, reflexes, and thought processes. Rapid healing as a side effect of speed powers. All which Halloween Jack would have. Second, he can transform into an insect which is resistant to heat, at least long enough to survive a touch. Thirs, HJ should also have the powers of Krystallin who he touched and she has the powers to for crystal shields which were enough to survive. Again, we are talking one touch in less then an instant. And even if he got burnt, he would heal from it.

Jack might have som powers that are long range, but he isn't that good a t using them since they aren't his own. Sunfire using her own poers she has mastered is much better equipped for this battle. She can straight up burn him, or just start melting away the steel in the building and have the entire thing collapse on him.

Either way, she has nuetralized his deadly attack of absorbtion.

One thing you also failed to mention is that her powers are limited and she does get tired by using them constantly which is generally why she rarely holds a fire shield around her. If she held it for 24 hours, she would empty herself of energy which she would have to replenish with the Sun. At night there is no Sun.

HJ could just wait her out if it came to that and in any case he just needs an instant to touch her and the match is over as he can use her powers which make him completely immune to anything she could do.

Winner-Halloween Jack

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Rebuttals

God like being? He was crazy and THOUGHT he was Loki, not actually Loki. Being crazy and thinking he was a god doesn't mean he is that powerful. He has good shapshifting powers that he has demonstrated by turnign into people, animals, and giving himself claws.

The mask is also much more powerful than Halloween Jack (since he is Loki also)

He actually was given Loki's powers through a program teh tried to recreate the Asgard pantheon. He is not as proficient in them as Loki but he does have his powers. In wikipedia he is the alternate version of Loki. I do not think the mask is necessarily more powerful (referring to the movie and nothing else).

Agree, both would pretty much be going in blind on each other, and they would know the location (although it probably won't really help either of them)

Except Sunfire's name is a very big clue as to what her powers are.

Well, I think if Sunfire randomly saw a cow on teh island that would be prett suspicious, but I get what you're saying. The bigest prblem with this is that Sunfire is a flier. Meanstrak is fast, but can't run on air. The other major problem is that Sunfire emits heat and radiation. If she doesn't know where Halloween Jack is, she will automatically become defensive and put up a small "barrier" of heat around herself. If Jack even tries to touch her he'll be burned before he can.

First off, I have never seen her put a barrier and I have no idea why she would think to. It is not like she has any clue as to what his powers are. Second, all he needs to do is touch her in any form for an instant and the match is over. He has powers which include superspeed, regeneration, and the forming of crystalling structures including armour. He can also transform into any insect including those that live on lava flows or in volcanoe. He could even become bacteria.

Plus her energy is finite which is maybe why she hardly ever kept a permanent shield around her.

Sunfire's powers make this a long-range fight, which is somethign Jack isn't used to. She has the advantage here, and will put Jack down.

I do not agree on this because first off we are in a prison with ceilings and her first instinct is not to go up above the building and wait it out which would drain her energy. She will walk around searching for someone. She will ignore insects and such which would be around. He just needs a touch and then he is immune and retains all his other powers which makes this contest no contest at all.

Winner- Halloween Jack

 

[kytrigger]

One thing I would like to note that with a name like "Sunfire" it is pretty easy to assume you are facing somebody with solar heat powers.

true, expcept Jack being insane has never shown a fondness of actually thinking clearly like that.

Actually in the 2099 timeline he was granted the powers of Loki because of a program that attempted to recreate the Asgard pantheon.

He was granted computer powers that were supposed to be similar to Loki. Completely different. Marvel has had a number of technological imitations of Asgard, and they all have come up rather short. His powers might be based on Loki, but he isn't anywhere near as powerful as Loki.

This is where we differ. He has to survive little more then an instant as he willl gain her powers which include immunity to her own powers if he just touches her. Now I have several options which would allow me to do that. He can change into an armorred insect resistant to great heat

What kind of insect can withstand temperatures that easily melt steel? Because that is the heat she normally gives off without really even trying to exert herself. No animal can withstand this heat.

First off, Meanstreak's powers include Superhuman speed, stamina, reflexes, and thought processes. Rapid healing as a side effect of speed powers. All which Halloween Jack would have. Second, he can transform into an insect which is resistant to heat, at least long enough to survive a touch. Thirs, HJ should also have the powers of Krystallin who he touched and she has the powers to for crystal shields which were enough to survive. Again, we are talking one touch in less then an instant. And even if he got burnt, he would heal from it.

1) he has meanstreaks powers, but his healing isn't that fast. It's nowhere on the level of Wolverine where he can just walk through immense heat and be okay.

2) I still don't know of any animals that are resistant to these temps she emits

3) Even is krystallin's powers preotected him form the immense heat, they actaully block him from touching Sunfire. The crystal barrier works both ways.

Also, while Halloween Jack has these powers, he isn't that good at using them (except shapeshifting since that is his own power).

One thing you also failed to mention is that her powers are limited and she does get tired by using them constantly which is generally why she rarely holds a fire shield around her. If she held it for 24 hours, she would empty herself of energy which she would have to replenish with the Sun. At night there is no Sun.

Right, after 24 hours she would get drained. There is no way this battle is lasting that long. Halloween Jack is not known for his patience and usually dives headfirst into something like a battle.

Plus, I agree that there is no sun at night, but in that 24 hour period you gave, there is sun around for about half of that time for her to recharge on.

HJ could just wait her out if it came to that and in any case he just needs an instant to touch her and the match is over as he can use her powers which make him completely immune to anything she could do.

Except that HJ would never just wait around like that. if he was building an eveil virutal reality machine, then yes he could bide his time, but in a ismple fight, he could never wait that long. All those voices in his head would drive him even crazier if he was just standing there.

He actually was given Loki's powers through a program teh tried to recreate the Asgard pantheon. He is not as proficient in them as Loki but he does have his powers. In wikipedia he is the alternate version of Loki. I do not think the mask is necessarily more powerful (referring to the movie and nothing else).

Maybe movie mask isn't as powerful as the comic one (been a whiel since I've seen it), but HJ still isn't Loki. Hell, the original Loki (according to Wikipedia) even came down to earth to stop him. He was given powers based off of Loki, but is nowhere near as powerful as the original.

First off, I have never seen her put a barrier and I have no idea why she would think to. It is not like she has any clue as to what his powers are. Second, all he needs to do is touch her in any form for an instant and the match is over. He has powers which include superspeed, regeneration, and the forming of crystalling structures including armour. He can also transform into any insect including those that live on lava flows or in volcanoe. He could even become bacteria.

Nevert seen her emit a heat barrier? she does so all the time. That what keeps boulders and debris from falling on her and crushing her, they just evaporate in mid-air.

Also, she would do this instantly for the very reason that she doesn't know Halloween Jack. She doesn't know his powers, so she would instatnly be defensive which means heat.

Plus her energy is finite which is maybe why she hardly ever kept a permanent shield around her.

She never kept a shield around her when she wasn't in battle, but there are plenty of instances where she has shown to have a heat aura around her in battle. And while her energy can be drained, this isn't really an easy thing to do. She was only drained that much when she died which was when she was fighting the evil Brood Mimic, an extremely powerful villain (which also goes to show that she has a LOT of experience dealing with characters that have multiple powers like HJ since she trained with Mimic for a long time as well.)

Winner- Sunfire

 

[Darthphere]

BRACKET 2,

Match 1:

Mastermind (DARTHPHERE) bio

vs.

Magnus - Exiles (PHAEDRUS45) bio

Oh my Mastermind, how wonderful art thee. Magnus, how I wish you mattered more, not really. Shall we commence with a breakdown?

Mastermind: Illusion generation

Magnus: Electromagnetic manipulation, Force field generation, Energy blasts, Flight, Ability to turn living beings to metal


This like most matches involving Mastermind seems like a clear win for the other guy, but like always, its not always the case.

I'll be quite frank young chap. Magnus outclasses Mastermind in every category. If this was a physical battle, it would be a clear win. But tis' a battle of the minds y'see so Mastermind will overcome such follies and win outright.

Alcatraz is a great location for Mastermind. The lazy way to win is for Mastermind to create an illusion and have Magnus walk into the water and drown. I mean, only the great Clint Eastwood would survive that. And the lazy way it is. A more elegant way would be for Mastermind to create an illusion that would cause the man to turn his powers onto himself and pretty much destroy himself, because Mastermind is all about class.

Mastermind wins.

 

[Darthphere]

What hurts Mastermind in this match is the fact Magnus will know of Mastermind's powers, even though he's from the Exiles world. Most mutants have various different entities in the world's the Exiles visit, and I would bet that Magnus' world had a Mastermind. Knowing Mastermind's abilities and being prepared for them when starting to fight is half the battle. Magnus shouldn't have a problem here.

Winner = Magnus-Exiles

That has never stopped Mastermind from taking on the X-Men effectively before. Considering he's taken on Jean Grey in her Phoenix phase I highly doubt that magnus would present much of a problem.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

true, expcept Jack being insane has never shown a fondness of actually thinking clearly like that.

He would still figure that out.

He was granted computer powers that were supposed to be similar to Loki. Completely different. Marvel has had a number of technological imitations of Asgard, and they all have come up rather short. His powers might be based on Loki, but he isn't anywhere near as powerful as Loki.

I never said he was as powerful as 616 Loki. So if that is what we are debating I concede. 616 Loki is more powerful.

What kind of insect can withstand temperatures that easily melt steel? Because that is the heat she normally gives off without really even trying to exert herself. No animal can withstand this heat.

I cannot answer that because I do not know but I believe that there has been boilogical life found in volcanoes. In any case, I am not talking him fighting Sunfire in this form....just touching her, however fleeting the touch.

1) he has meanstreaks powers, but his healing isn't that fast. It's nowhere on the level of Wolverine where he can just walk through immense heat and be okay.

The thing is he does not need to get through the touch unscathed. he just needs that one touch.

2) I still don't know of any animals that are resistant to these temps she emits

I am no expert to come up with a species, but it may exist.

3) Even is krystallin's powers preotected him form the immense heat, they actaully block him from touching Sunfire. The crystal barrier works both ways.

At that point he could touch her by retracting the crystallin shielding from one small part of the finger: lets not forget he just needs to touch her and he will be immune to all her powers as well as possessing them.

Also, while Halloween Jack has these powers, he isn't that good at using them (except shapeshifting since that is his own power).

He is not as good as the original but he still can use them effectively when he needs to.

Right, after 24 hours she would get drained. There is no way this battle is lasting that long. Halloween Jack is not known for his patience and usually dives headfirst into something like a battle.

Plus, I agree that there is no sun at night, but in that 24 hour period you gave, there is sun around for about half of that time for her to recharge on.

The battle is in a prison so it is not like she will be charging throughout the day.

Except that HJ would never just wait around like that. if he was building an eveil virutal reality machine, then yes he could bide his time, but in a ismple fight, he could never wait that long. All those voices in his head would drive him even crazier if he was just standing there.

If he had no way to touch her, he would. If he felt he could touch her he would not.

The one thing is she has no idea he is a shapeshifter. So why would she even kill off everything she sees. Imagine a very beautiful bird, she would just burn off the bird. I do not think so. Sunfire is a gentle lesbian soul. Not a cold blooded killer and she would have no idea who she is facing. Sunfire does not enjoy killing as far as I know.

Maybe movie mask isn't as powerful as the comic one (been a whiel since I've seen it), but HJ still isn't Loki. Hell, the original Loki (according to Wikipedia) even came down to earth to stop him. He was given powers based off of Loki, but is nowhere near as powerful as the original.

I concede 616 Loki is more powerful then HJ.

Nevert seen her emit a heat barrier? she does so all the time. That what keeps boulders and debris from falling on her and crushing her, they just evaporate in mid-air.

Also, she would do this instantly for the very reason that she doesn't know Halloween Jack. She doesn't know his powers, so she would instatnly be defensive which means heat.

Defensive yes, kill off everything I highly doubt. She will not kill off the small critters as a precaution. She is young and relatively inexperienced and would have no idea HJ would a shapeshifter.

She never kept a shield around her when she wasn't in battle, but there are plenty of instances where she has shown to have a heat aura around her in battle. And while her energy can be drained, this isn't really an easy thing to do. She was only drained that much when she died which was when she was fighting the evil Brood Mimic, an extremely powerful villain (which also goes to show that she has a LOT of experience dealing with characters that have multiple powers like HJ since she trained with Mimic for a long time as well.)

It also shows that she was killed by him, so the experience did not help her much. Plus HJ absorbs 100% of the power he absorbs and not 50% like Mimic.


Winner- Haloween Jack