Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Ahura Mazda]

Sorry but did not see this post

Or maybe it was becasue Fitzroy had a personal vendetta against Bishop. Taht is why he constantly torured him and then at the end decided to actually beat him physically. It's because he hated the man. As for not freezing him in time, why would he? Bishop was powerless and couldn't do a thing to stop Fitzroy. The only reason he was still alive was because Fitzroy wanted him to actaully see him winning. Then, when Fitzroy's back was turned, Shard betrayed him and allowed Bishop tog get his power back, surprise Fitzroy for second and his portal closed on himself.

The thing is Bishop was defeated in a battle, he was not simply frozen, which puts Trevor's intelligence in question or at least his ability to use his powers. Of course, I know you do not agree on this but lets at least agree Durok is considerably more powerful then Bishop.

He didn't freeze him early on because of his personal vendetta with Bishop. And he didn't freeze him at the end, because he wanted Bishop to see what he was doing and because Bishpo was powerless to stop him. He didn't freeze him because he didn't need to.

So what heroes did he freeze? And how long did it take him to do so?

Now while one can argue against his brash decisions of not freezing Bishop due to a personal vendetta, he would not have the same ill feelings against Durok, and would be more than happy to freeze him.

I revert back to my statement above and await your response.

I'm pretty sure that the reason he found a way back was because Loki retrieved him to fight in Ragnarok. Durok didn't really do anything, Loki went and got him.

That is posible but the only scenario given we have no on paper explanation. But I do agree that the one you say is probable.

As for the time thing. Asgardians and gods aren't in a differnt time themselves. They live for hundreds of years, but time isn't any different for them.

Well Durok is again a magical Golem so who knows what effect Trevor's time powers could have on him...

No, he cannot freeze every single person, but he doesn't need to, he only needs to freeze one. And I stated already why he didn't freeze Bishop and destroy him, so I won't repeat it.

Yes but it is not an instantaneous freeze even if could or can do it. It takes some time and Durok would need very little to make short work of Trevor.

And listening to you, Durok would defeat Beyonder, and destroy everything in existence with his concussive blasts. And while Fitzroy wouldn't stand a chance against Galactus, Durok is definately not in Galactus' level.

No not the Beyonder, but at least Thor and the Silver Surfer

Well, I disagree that mutants and humans are very very similar. I mean just because anyone can drain one, doesn't mean they should necissarily be able to drain the other.

You know humans share more then 95% of the same genes with chimpanzees, right. Therefore as the premise is that mutants are the next link in the evolutionary chain it is highly likely that they would be very similar.

Now, that said, I will grant you that Durok might be a differnt case. Not because he's from Asgard, but because he was created via magic. LIke you said he doesn't have a soul (i guess, I actually don't know if he does or not) and that MAY be where he draws his energy from, or it could be form somewhere else. Fitzroy might be able to draw the energy from Durok, or he might not. Or it could be a mix and he might drain him, but it would be much slower than a human or mutant. But I do believe that he could still drain most of the inhabitants of Otherworld.

There are many suppositions you need to make for Trevor to win this one. And you cannot prove any of them against a creature like Durok. I myself am making the supposition that Durok can resist Trevor just enough time to put him away which given his battle with the Thunder God Thor and Cosmic Wielding Silver Surfer, is highly possible. But at the end of the day it is to writers to decide and our arguments (and am talking for the both of us, if you permit me) are getting stale or at least repetitive.

I already answered this in the begginning. Let me also ad though that he was making portals, AND powering his entire fortress with his power. While he definately can freeze someone, I am not saying it's the easiest thing in the world for him, but since he will be at full power, he could definately freeze him now.

As you say it is not an easy thing and therefore he would have to withstand the incredible force that is Durok.

and they also stood there trading blows with Durok letting him get his beatings in. Fitroy won't do that, he'll be on the move.

I beg to differ, the Silver Surfer did not just stand there. Durok is also very fast, much faster then Trevor. He could not move fast enough.

luckily for Fitzroy, he won't need it. ANd that's not the reason Fitzroy had the fortress, to battle Bishop. He was master of earth. He had the fortress and guards to patrol over all of earth. And he didn't need them to defeat Bishop/ He used Shard as bait, and when he got her, HE beat Bishop, then he torured him, then Bishop got free and Fitzroy beat him again.

Yes but this was Bishop not Durok the Demolisher, bane of both Thor and the Silver Surfer

ok...time out from the debate, but I have to point out that you used the word "impacable" to describe Durok. First off, bonus points for using a good word t: .

Second, the dictionary describes impacable as: "Not to be appeased or quieted." I just find it funny since Durok is mute.

Yes it is apparent that the quieted is only in the figurative sense and not literal

OK, now back to the debate...

I disagree, Durok is good at what he does, but what he does is limited. While Fitzroy might not have as much brute power, he definately trumps Durok in other ways with his power.

Well I disagree with you...was that any surprise . In any case, it will be up to the voters to decide whether a Bishop villain can defeat a Thor and Silver Surfer villain.

I am willing to let it go at this point to the voting ballot.

 

[kytrigger]

Well Durok is again a magical Golem so who knows what effect Trevor's time powers could have on him...

This is actually the only part I'll rebutt against any more since everything else (like you said) would just be the both of us repeating ourselves more and more.

I'll just say that since teh Silver Surfer abandoned Durok in the future, that he is obviously vulnerable to time ( I don't really know how to put it). It proves he is in the time stream, and can be manipulated through the time stream, which is what Fitzroy's freezing power actaully does.

Well I disagree with you...was that any surprise . In any case, it will be up to the voters to decide whether a Bishop villain can defeat a Thor and Silver Surfer villain.

I agree that our debate, while very good, is now just retreading the same ground over and over. We shall leave it up to the voters to see if an awesome X-Men villain can defeat a Thor villain. Either way, it's been one hell of a debate.

 

[hippy fascist]

On the contrary, John wouldn't bring the people into the fight, and he's not a brute idiot.

John's first instinct would be to protect the innocents because they're innocents. So, being the hero, he'd describe to the people the danger Lu represents to convince them to get out of harm's way. But, as typically happens in these situations, many will flee while some will choose to stay and fight for their homes. The difference this time is that, if they can get John somekind of magical protection, they don't need to stay. John can go into battle alone with no worries about going all out with his powers and no need to fear the radiation. The characters are allowed to use the resources of the location (that's why we change up locations), and the people in Otherworld are a valid resource.

The fact that you need to seek out magical shields etc just once again proves quite how outclassed thunderbird is. What minimal magical protection he would be able to muster in the half an hour or so it's going to take for lu to rip from one area to another many people will die. John is not the kind of guy to stand around trying to gather forces while this is going on, he is an "action man". He'll see and hear the people dying horrible deaths and he will be compelled to run in and try to stop the carnage as soon as possible. He doesn't have several hours to set himself up once he arrives. You speak of speaches as if this were independence day or something. This is a straight scrap and it's going to get going quickly. Radioactive clearly has the power advantage since you feel the need to reach for magical enhancement. Since I have made, I feel, a pretty reasonable argument for this being impossible it's clear Lu is going to wipe the floor with thunderbird.

And John may not be a brilliant strategiest, but he's no fool. He was War afterall, and he knows how to fight smart. And he won't underestimate Lu. He'll know that Lu will use the people as a trap, and use that to convince the people to flee (or help if they refuse to run). And any injuries to the populace will just fuel Thunderbird, making him an unstoppable machine.

He's not irational or stupid but he is very compassionate. He's going to see people dying as Lu stampedes through the city and feel compelled to dash in and help (ironic given his heritage but he's going to be playing the cavalry in this engagement). What he will be running into is an area of extremely high background radiation which will slowly kill him. What it will do quite quickly however is weaken him to the point where he is like a child. Even someone as strong as thunderbird cannot fight this particular affliction. Add in to the fact that he'll be recieving a beatdown from a guy with upper hulk level strength, who will have blasted him with concentrated gamma radiation while he runs in to fight, and we see one dead thunderbird.

I still say, if none of the populace are involved, John's got enough raw power when completely letting loose to take on Lu. Especially if he gets the drop on him and takes him by surprise (which he can set up before exploding with rage), avoiding most of Lu's attack before the battle truly starts. And god help Lu if John finds out anyone's been hurt of killed because I don't think anything will stop him.

I say radioactive man held his own against a GOD. He has strength with no upper limit, can fire concentrated doses of gamma radiation and generate impenetrable shields whenever he gets tired and wants a break...

...and john can...hit things...which he won't even be doing at full power as he can't afford to hulk out and risk innocent lives.

This is how heroes always die, some mad villain makes them choose between their own lives and the lives of thousands of people. A true hero, which is what john is, would always give their life gladly.Christ both versions of John have made their exit doing it (one fighting galactus is in a coma, the other died in an explosion on a plane trying to save someone somewhere, can't remeber the exact reference...) John will make this sacrifice and be remembered in the anuls of history for it but make no mistake...JOHN...WILL...DIE

Add on to that the fact that if John could...in some ideal world... throw him a beating he has a habit of going all hiroshima after a big fight. And then reforming himself, which sadly is not something john can do...

Finally I want to make this clear, Lu will not sit and wait, he will cause panic, destruction and death. John will run in to help, he will not be able to risk hulking up for fear of hurting/killing people. He will die, probablywhilst propping up a falling pillar which was going to land on a small girl ala demogoblin. his hero character trait will betray him in the end and he will die.


WINNER:RADIOACTIVE MAN!

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I'll just say that since teh Silver Surfer abandoned Durok in the future, that he is obviously vulnerable to time ( I don't really know how to put it). It proves he is in the time stream, and can be manipulated through the time stream, which is what Fitzroy's freezing power actaully does.

He is vulnerable to transportation not freezing. Freezing is a direct effect power not something which transports him to somewhere else. You know SS carried him on his surf board. He did not use his powers to put him in stasis.

I agree that our debate, while very good, is now just retreading the same ground over and over. We shall leave it up to the voters to see if an awesome X-Men villain can defeat a Thor villain. Either way, it's been one hell of a debate.

I am glad we agree on something. It has been a great debate.

Voters can now decide between DUROK and Trevor

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

IRON CLAD vs. HALF-LIFE

Okay, if this is a daytime fight, then it's already over 'cause Half-Life can't be alive in daylight.

Assuming it's night, Half-Life is able to absorb energy from people in order to keep him going and make him stronger. He's also like a zombie that won't die, able to put himself back together should he be damaged in any way. Since he has a lot of people to draw energy from, including Iron Clad, gonna be a hard fight, right?

Iron Clad has not only gone toe-to-toe with the Hulk, a foe they share, but he's also combat trained and experienced. Once IC starts to get weak near HL, he'll find a way to keep his distance, using objects to attack HL. No doubt the populace would scatter at the signs of the fight, so no worries there. Once IC discovers HL's regenerative capabilities, he goes all out to try and hurt the guy. Upon knocking pieces off and seeing how HL repairs himself, IC gets a plan and finds a way to knock HL apart. Before he can pull hismelf together, IC quickly grabs the parts and flings them as far as he can in several directions, then pulls back before he gets to weak. Then, it's just a matter of waiting for his victory to be announced (which would be sunrise) and the fight is over.

WINNER: IRON CLAD

 

[Phaedrus45]

Captain Britain-Kelsey Leigh vs. Black Knight-Dane Whitman:

Both of these characters belong to Powderman, and it seems like he won't be participating, at least for a while. The voters will decide. Here are my quick thoughts.

Bio on Kelsey:

AbilitiesMagically bestowed superhuman physical attributes, Force fields and energy bolts derived from invulnerable 'Sword of Might'

Bio on Dane:

AbilitiesExpert swordsmanship, magic senses. Wields the Sword of Light and Shield of Night.

This match could go either way. Both should have information on each other and the location. One advantage for Dane is this:

AffiliationsAvengers
Defenders (associate member)
Ultraforce
Excalibur
Knights of Wundagore
Pendragons
Heroes for Hire
Queen's Vengeance
King Richard's Army
Masters of Evil

Look at that list! That's a hell of a lot of experience. But, another one of Kelsey's bios state:

As the new Captain Britain, Kelsey wields the Sword of Might which can project forcefields and magical energy blasts. She also chooses to use the sword in the form of a double-bladed staff. In her transformed state her strength, endurance and agility are increased, though not apparently to superhuman levels, and the scar on her face vanishes.

And, another:

Powers Super strength, reflexes, a level of invincibility and flight. The Sword Of Might, gives Kelsey the ability to form energy blasts or shields.



The Sword is really handy for Kelsey, providing a forcefield against danger. But, here is an explanation of Black Knight's weapons:


Paraphernalia When Dane Whitman touches his mystic pendant and invokes the name of Avalon, he conjures up his equipment and steed. The armor and weapons are extremely lightweight but supernaturally durable. His Shield of Night not only protects him from most attacks but also absorbs the energy of the forces directed against it. He can then release that stored energy in the form of power blasts from his blade, the Sword of Light. Strider can fly at great speeds and is even capable of travel underwater. While riding Strider, Dane is magically able to breathe regardless of his environment.


uuite a match-up. Also, don't forget Dane has resided in Otherworld before.

Winner = Draw (Let the voters decide)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting has begun!!!

 

[DarkHellRider]

Thunderbird
black panther
half life- when even a piece is grabbed he would lose power so moire piecies more energy drawn
Black knight
Trevor fitzroy.

 

[wiegeabo]

Thunderbird
Magik
Iron Clad
Black Knight (One hell of a match. Especially since it's in Avalon)
Durok the Demolisher

 

[hippy fascist]

Radioactive man
black panther
half life
captain britain
Trevor Fitzroy

 

[Harlekin]

Durok the Demolisher
Black Knight
Iron Clad
Black Panther
Radioactive Man

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Durok The Demolisher - (Match-up of the week!!! I wanted to say, "draw.")

*Black Knight - (Experience, knowledge of the terrain...I have to give it to Dane.)

*Half-Life - (The match would have to be at night, if Half-Life is ineffective in the morning. Same rules apply as with vampires, 12:00 am. I just don't see Iron Clad hiding out until morning arrives.)

*Black Panther

*Radioactive Man

 

[kytrigger]

Trevor Fitzroy
Black Knight
Radioactive Man
Half-Lilfe
Black Panther

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Durok The Demolisher currently tied with Trevor Fitzroy 3-3
Black Knight-Dane currently beating Captain Britain-Kelsey 5-1
Half-Life currently beating Iron Clad 4-2
Black Panther currently beating Magik 5-1
Radioactive Man currently beating Thunderbird-Exiles 4-2

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Durok
Black Knight
Iron Clad
Magik
Thunderbird

 

[Darren Daring]

Trevor Fitzroy
Black Knight
Iron Clad
Black Panther
Radioactive Man

 

[Zoken]

Durok the Demolisher
Black Knight
Iron Clad
Black Panther
Radioactive Man

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Durok The Demolisher currently beating Trevor Fitzroy 5-4
Black Knight-Dane currently beating Captain Britain-Kelsey 8-1
Iron Clad currently beating Half-Life 5-4
Black Panther currently beating Magik 7-2
Radioactive Man currently beating Thunderbird-Exiles 6-2

 

[Midnight Ice]

Durok the Demolisher
Black Knight
Iron Clad
Black Panther
Thunderbird

 

[wiegeabo]

T-Bird had 3 votes, before Midnight's.

 

[Darthphere]

Trevor Fitzroy
Black Knight
Iron Clad
Black Panther
Radioactive Man

 

[PinnyPed]

Durok
Black Knight
Ironclad
MAgik
Radioactive Man

 

[Hellstormer]

Thunderbird

Magik

Half-Life

Fitzroy

Black Knight

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Durok The Demolisher currently beating Trevor Fitzroy 7-6
Black Knight-Dane currently beating Captain Britain-Kelsey 12-1
Iron Clad currently beating Half-Life 8-5
Black Panther currently beating Magik 9-4
Radioactive Man currently beating Thunderbird-Exiles 8-5

 

[POWdER-man]

Hell of a match.....almost want to say draw...Durok
Black Knight
Half Life
Black Panther
hard for me to say since I love the Exiles... Radioactive Man