Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Harlekin]

Just to clarify something: Nocturne does not bend probalities. She calls her energy blasts hex bolts in homage of her mother, but they are not really hex bolts as the Scarlet Witch employs them. For more info, see here.

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttal

Well the area is the Badlands, which as magical properties that Nocturne can use and is bases after the American Southwest whihc has very sparse plantlife so I don't think it would be that hard to keep him away from a few patches of grass and her hex bolts bend probability (Thanks Hippy) so she could maybe make all the plants around him die

Winner=Nocturne

Rebuttal

Actually the american southwest does have quite a bit of plant life depending on where you are at. If they are in the "badlands" which I am assuming is the main part, yes it is known as a desert, but it still has plant life. There are quite a few bushes and cacti around. This picture here is actually of Death Valley, something most people think of as the having absolutely no plant life due to the heat.

Also, if this area is like the entire american southwest then you also have huge forests in play with giant redwood trees and whatnot. Basically what I'm trying to say is that no matter where they are, there will be planty of plany life for Black Tom to make copies of himself and heal form any injuries he might get.

Also, It seems that her hex bolts are different than Scarlet Witches afterall. While they do seem more like an energy blast, that doesn't mean they would have a fire property to them. They might knock Black Tom down, but I doubt they would burn him, and I highly doubt they would keep him down.

Winner- Black Tom Cassidy

 

[Darthphere]

Captain Britain devours Falcon and Redwing.


Goddamn the Falcon and his little bird too. Heres a overview on the matchup.

Captain Britian's powers include Super speed, strength, and stamina, flight and in his last appearances, a suit with a manipulatable energy field.

Falcon originally possessed the ability to telepathically communicate with his pet falcon Redwing, but that ability has grown into the ability to telepathically communicate with any birds within an unknown radius. Through this telepathic link he is also able to receive mental images of what the birds see. And also, excellent trainer of birds, and has been highly trained in gymnastics and hand-to-hand combat by Captain America. Occasionally wears a glove on his left hand that contains a grappling hook.


After all that interesting stuff about Falcon, Captain Britian pretty much annihilates Falcon and Redwing. (By the way, no clue why hes included in here). Captain Britain can fly at speeds up to 770 MPH, meaning he can pretty much annihilate Flacon in flight. Hes near invulnerable and unless Falcon brought some hevay magical other worldly weapons, Falcon can call on all the birds he wants, they wont do anything but make Captain Britain angrier. Falcon is outclassed here sadly, as fan of the character it saddens me to say, he gets pwned.

Captain Britain wins.

 

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal

Actually the american southwest does have quite a bit of plant life depending on where you are at. If they are in the "badlands" which I am assuming is the main part, yes it is known as a desert, but it still has plant life. There are quite a few bushes and cacti around. This picture here is actually of Death Valley, something most people think of as the having absolutely no plant life due to the heat.

Yes but it really depends on the area of the Southwest they're copying and I personally have no knowledge on this field besides what Phaed gave.

Also, It seems that her hex bolts are different than Scarlet Witches afterall. While they do seem more like an energy blast, that doesn't mean they would have a fire property to them. They might knock Black Tom down, but I doubt they would burn him, and I highly doubt they would keep him down.

Yes but the dimension Curt goes through is a hell dimension at least the last time I read Uncanny that's what they called it. I recall when the X-men were taken there someone ackknoledged ti was very hot and had the small of sulfur, so by using this information I conclude that they do have a fire property to them. To what extent is unknown but I think they do. If that's the case she simply needs to get in there and try to torch all the plantlife and then try to subdue Black with her telpathy and nail him with more bolts.

Winnner= Nocturne

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttal

Yes but it really depends on the area of the Southwest they're copying and I personally have no knowledge on this field besides what Phaed gave.

I definately agree that the amount of plant life can definately depend on the area, but the fact still remains that basically anywhere on earth, there will be plants for him to absorb/create more of himself, even in a desert setting.

Yes but the dimension Curt goes through is a hell dimension at least the last time I read Uncanny that's what they called it. I recall when the X-men were taken there someone ackknoledged ti was very hot and had the small of sulfur, so by using this information I conclude that they do have a fire property to them.

OK, I can see where it could have fire properties to the bolts then. Personally, I've always had trouble remembering everything about Nightcrawler's dimension because they have changed it several times in the comics. I think one time it was actually the Darkforce dimension he teleported through (that's why he's always in shadows), but I know they've changed it since then.

If that's the case she simply needs to get in there and try to torch all the plantlife and then try to subdue Black with her telpathy and nail him with more bolts.

Even if her bolts do have some fire damage to them, they're nowhere near powerful enough to completely burn down all the trees in the American Southwest/Badlands. That would take someone like Sunfire to do that.

Also, she makes her hex bolts by creating a portal for the energy to come through. This is pretty much how Nightcrawler (and I assume Nocturne) actually teleport through the dimension as well. It has been known that this can greatly fatigue a person, even them. They don't tire out as quickly because they have built up their stamina, but they can still tire nonetheless. A combination mixture of bamf-ing to dodge Black Tom and using Hex bolts to burn everything in sight would tire Nocturne out extremely quickly and then Black Tom would be able to easily catch her.

Winner- Black Tom Cassidy

 

[DarkHellRider]

Captain Britain devours Falcon and Redwing.


Goddamn the Falcon and his little bird too. Heres a overview on the matchup.

Captain Britian's powers include Super speed, strength, and stamina, flight and in his last appearances, a suit with a manipulatable energy field.

Falcon originally possessed the ability to telepathically communicate with his pet falcon Redwing, but that ability has grown into the ability to telepathically communicate with any birds within an unknown radius. Through this telepathic link he is also able to receive mental images of what the birds see. And also, excellent trainer of birds, and has been highly trained in gymnastics and hand-to-hand combat by Captain America. Occasionally wears a glove on his left hand that contains a grappling hook.


After all that interesting stuff about Falcon, Captain Britian pretty much annihilates Falcon and Redwing. (By the way, no clue why hes included in here). Captain Britain can fly at speeds up to 770 MPH, meaning he can pretty much annihilate Flacon in flight. Hes near invulnerable and unless Falcon brought some hevay magical other worldly weapons, Falcon can call on all the birds he wants, they wont do anything but make Captain Britain angrier. Falcon is outclassed here sadly, as fan of the character it saddens me to say, he gets pwned.

Captain Britain wins.

As Much as I hate to say it I totally agree and have no defense except the defense of the magical bird poop pf doom.

 

[Harlekin]

Another clarification: Nocturne can't teleport.

 

[kytrigger]

Another clarification: Nocturne can't teleport.

Shows how much I know about Nocturne. I really need to read up on her.


Not being able to teleport just makes it even harder for her to dodge Black Tom's attacks, especially if there are several at a time.

 

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal

Rebuttal
I definately agree that the amount of plant life can definately depend on the area, but the fact still remains that basically anywhere on earth, there will be plants for him to absorb/create more of himself, even in a desert setting.

I won't deny that but if the amount of plantlife is too small it can put him at a disadvantage giving Nocturne time to strike.

OK, I can see where it could have fire properties to the bolts then. Personally, I've always had trouble remembering everything about Nightcrawler's dimension because they have changed it several times in the comics. I think one time it was actually the Darkforce dimension he teleported through (that's why he's always in shadows), but I know they've changed it since then.

Yea last time I read Uncanny his father was Satan and he teleported through a hell dimension.

Even if her bolts do have some fire damage to them, they're nowhere near powerful enough to completely burn down all the trees in the American Southwest/Badlands. That would take someone like Sunfire to do that.

Again it would depend on the the amount of plantlife, if its sparse enough she could go through and use her agility to get her from catus,bush ect. and burn them.

Also, she makes her hex bolts by creating a portal for the energy to come through. This is pretty much how Nightcrawler (and I assume Nocturne) actually teleport through the dimension as well. It has been known that this can greatly fatigue a person, even them. They don't tire out as quickly because they have built up their stamina, but they can still tire nonetheless. A combination mixture of bamf-ing to dodge Black Tom and using Hex bolts to burn everything in sight would tire Nocturne out extremely quickly and then Black Tom would be able to easily catch her.

Harlekin cleared up taht she cannot teleport and opening the hell dimension portal does not make her tired. And come to tihnk of it I haven't even mentioned her telepathy. IIRC she can read immediate thoughts so in a fight she would be able to get the next move in giving her a huge advantage, if she knows Tom's going for a specific plant or trying to get in her in a specific direction she'll know.

Winner= Nocturne

 

[Phaedrus45]

Even though it doesn't matter, I still want to vote for the person who I think will win. SO, does anyone remember if Spider's history was revealed in regards to those he loves? Did he end up killing Mary Jane, Aunt May or anyone else who'd be important in his life? Because, among with Black Cat's powers, I was wondering if she'd be able to attempt to reach the Peter she once knew.

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttal

Again it would depend on the the amount of plantlife, if its sparse enough she could go through and use her agility to get her from catus,bush ect. and burn them.

Right, but there is very little (almost no area) in the badlands that actually has as little plant life as most people think. Like the picture I posted a bit ago, those were plants in Death Valley, a place usually thought of as no life whatsoever. And those weren't spindly little bushes and cacti (although there are a fair amount of both of those around too) those were trees.

While I definately agree with you that Nocturne could burn some of the plantlife in the area, there is just way too much of it for her to burn it all. Not to mention that it's almost impossible for her to burn the plant life underground that Black Tom has access to also.

Harlekin cleared up taht she cannot teleport and opening the hell dimension portal does not make her tired. And come to tihnk of it I haven't even mentioned her telepathy. IIRC she can read immediate thoughts so in a fight she would be able to get the next move in giving her a huge advantage, if she knows Tom's going for a specific plant or trying to get in her in a specific direction she'll know.

The problem with using her telepathy is that it's extremely hard to get a reading on Black Tom. SHe has had trouble doing it herself. This is especially true when he creates copies of himself, which he does regularly. She might be able to read one of their minds, but not all of them. Black Tom knows this (since they know each other pretty well), and that is one of the reasons he would make copies of himself.

Winner- Black Tom Cassidy

 

[Hellstormer]

Well since I started the debate I'll let you have those last words in all fairness (and laziness)

O and Phaed: Yea I think he killed Aunt May and Mary Jane but idk about his Black Cat, he'll still rip her apart without thinking twice.

 

[Harlekin]

Clarification: Nightcrawler does not teleport through Azazel's (his dad) hell dimension. The dimension Azazel is in is not in fact the one that Kurt teleports through. It's not quite clear what dimension he teleports through, but it's not that dimension.

 

[Midnight Ice]

Clarification: Nightcrawler does not teleport through Azazel's (his dad) hell dimension. The dimension Azazel is in is not in fact the one that Kurt teleports through. It's not quite clear what dimension he teleports through, but it's not that dimension.

I know I have nothing to do with this debate and I will gladly take this down if anybody wants me to, but I thought that Nightcrawler's father made a comment about Nightcrawler popping in and out as he teleported. I could be wrong though. Good thing Harlekin is good at clarifing things.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

AGATHA HARKNESS vs. THOR GIRL

Agatha may be the female version of Dr. Strange, but Thor Girl is the female version of Thor, and Thor has gone up against the magical types before and come out ahead.

Thor Girl is still an Asgardian and can take a hell of a beating as well as give one back. Also, she possesses a MYSTIC hammer which can offer some abilities against magical attacks. It also gives her some range as a throwing weapon, weather manipulation and energy blasts. No matter how much power Agatha has, the simple fact is she's still human and still prone to human frailties...especially at her age. Whereas Thor Girl is an Asgardian goddess at her peak. One good connecting blow is all that's needed to end the fight, and TG is just brash and stubborn enough to do it.

WINNER: THOR GIRL

 

[JewishHobbit]

Just a Note: Nightcrawler DOES in fact teleport through Azazel's dimension. I just looked through my Draco trade and found where it was clarified. The quote is, "They destroied my dimensional gateway through which I intended to return to my earth, the only gateway out of this hell hold, this dimension you teleport through, Kurt. This same dimension Niles shunts things into." Nightcrawler then follows that by confirming that he's right, as he recognizes the smell.


Just clarification.

 

[Harlekin]

Okay, that's odd, could've sworn they weren't the same. Thanks for correcting though.

 

[hippy fascist]

AGATHA HARKNESS vs. THOR GIRL

Agatha may be the female version of Dr. Strange, but Thor Girl is the female version of Thor, and Thor has gone up against the magical types before and come out ahead.

Thor Girl is still an Asgardian and can take a hell of a beating as well as give one back. Also, she possesses a MYSTIC hammer which can offer some abilities against magical attacks. It also gives her some range as a throwing weapon, weather manipulation and energy blasts. No matter how much power Agatha has, the simple fact is she's still human and still prone to human frailties...especially at her age. Whereas Thor Girl is an Asgardian goddess at her peak. One good connecting blow is all that's needed to end the fight, and TG is just brash and stubborn enough to do it.

WINNER: THOR GIRL

Thor girl is not the the female version of thor. When she had her cosmic powers she could have held her own against him but not anymore, now she's just a pitiful attempt to cash in on thor fans.

I haven't seen a single biography that states she has any additional resistance to magic even with the hammer (it's good but it's not Mjolnir)
Although to be fair I only read through 5 biographies of her so the might have ALL missed that aspect


If she throws the hammer agatha could create a forcefield(is that the right word for the magical equivalent) that could block it, and maintain it through the spirits she can summon, without diminishing her ability to cast offensive magic.

Agatha's body is frail but who needs to be super strong/durable when you can just throw up a forcefield with a wave of your hand and a quick incantation

Even if Thor Girl did have some resistance against agatha's magic, she has proven adept in the past at creating portals to other dimensions. All agatha hs to do is drop one under Thor Girl's feet and she'd get sucked into any number of hell dimensions.

Thor Girl is strong and against a brawler or a ranged weapon specialist she'd stand a hell of a chance, but when faced with pretty much unlimited power she's simply outclassed. Agatha would humiliate Thor Girl without so much as breaking a sweat.

Finally to say she is at her peak is ridiculous as surely her peak was when she had her cosmic powers...

WINNER: AGATHA HARKNESS!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yea last time I read Uncanny his father was Satan and he teleported through a hell dimension.

Azazel was never Satan.. in the issue after he claimed it, he confessed to simply being a very old mutant from biblical times, and compared his life to that of Satan's. Sorry, it bugs me when people mock that storyline. It was great... and most the stuff that people belittle about it aren't even accurate to the story.

And this isn't anything against Hellstormer.... it's just a pet peeve of mine.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Captain Britain Though the birdpoop of doom had me going!
Black Tom Cassidy
Spider
Agatha Harkness

 

[kytrigger]

Black Tom Cassiday
Agatha Harkness
Captain Britain
Spider

 

[Zoken]

Captain Britain
Black Tom Cassidy
Spider
Agatha Harkness

 

[hippy fascist]

Captain Britain: bad draw for falcon I guess

Black Tom Cassidy: Although I think there was a debate that could have gone the other way, all you had to say was flamethrower and the fight would have been yours

Spider: Black cat would have trouble with regular spidey, this guy would just eviscerate her

Agatha Harkness

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Black Tom Cassidy - (I really could have gone the other way with this match. This was a tough match to vote for.)

*Agatha Harkness - (I think Thor Girl could take Agatha, but she would need a stronger debate.)

*Spider-Exiles

*Captain Britain-Brian Braddock