Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[WOLVERINE25TH]

And that's ******ed. You can't allow current stories fer some characters (which has happened in debates) and then deny them fer others, especially when those stories don't affect a character enough to alter them fer this shindig. And had I been able to follow all the pre-tournament stuff, I woulda fought this then too.

House of M didn't affect ANY OF THE CURRENT MUTANTS. The experiences IN HoM can logically be excluded, but to make that a cut-off point is dumb unless yer gonna do it fer every single character involved.

If you want characters at specific power levels, as I said, I'm all fer that. In which case, only the stories where those upgrades happen and thereafter get the boot. Everything else SHOULD remain fair game.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Well, JH pointed out that the writer stated that Child's Hood End was a year-long storyline....and, when I wanted to use some instances from it against his character, Mercury, he showed how I couldn't. In the end, we both agreed it probably hurts his character more by not using it; but, the rules of "current storylines" not being included are there for a reason.

 

[Phaedrus45]

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[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!

(Remember, you must read through all of this weeks debates before voting. The debates should be the largest percentage of reason for the way you vote; but, they do not have to be the sole reason for your decision.)

 

[Harlekin]

Psylocke
Professor X
Bloodaxe
Darkhawk

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Psylocke

*Charles Xavier

*Bloodaxe

*Darkhawk - (Although, Darkhawk wouldn't have access to Avenger's files as stated. He was with the West Coast Avengers, and it was only for a very short time.)

 

[wiegeabo]

Psylocke
Xavier
Bloodaxe
Darkhawk (although a different bio on Vector almost got the vote from me, I think 'hawk could still eventually take it)

 

[kytrigger]

Psylocke
Bloodaxe
Darkhawk
Xavier

 

[Hellstormer]

Xavier
Darkhawk
Bloodaxe (Maybe if Hellion was a bit older and more expierienced)
Ummmm Psylocke

Wow all four threads without debates.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Re: Childhood's End:

I did make an official call that all of Childhood's End would not be included due to it being one full story. I agree that it sucks because the students had a lot of growth in the story, but if we put a rule into play, it applies for all situations. Childhood's End is the story that was going when we started, thus, it's the story that is discluded. Sadly, it's a year long arc.

My Votes:

Psylocke
Xavier
Bloodaxe
Darkhawk

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Psylocke currently beating Diamond Lil 6-0
Charles Xavier currently beating Siena Blaze 6-0
Bloodaxe currently beating Hellion 6-0
Darkhawk currently beating Vector 6-0

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Psylocke
Bloodaxe
Darkhawk
Xavier

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Psylocke
Blaze
Hellion
Darkhawk

 

[Zoken]

Psylocke
Bloodaxe
Darkhawk
Xavier

 

[Iceman]

Psylocke
Xavier
Bloodaxe
Darkhawk

 

[Midnight Ice]

Psylocke
Xavier
Bloodaxe
Darkhawk

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Psylocke beat Diamond Lil 11-0
Charles Xavier beat Siena Blaze 10-1
Bloodaxe beat Hellion 10-1
Darkhawk beat Vector 11-0

 

[Harlekin]

Wow, a blow-out. Awesome. Too bad you forfeited DHR.

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 1,

Match 23:

Spider-Man - Classic (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

vs.

Dragon Man (PHAEDRUS45) bio

Match 24:

Abomination (WOLVERINE25TH) bio

vs.

Juggernaut - Villian (DARKHELLRIDER) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 23:

Spider-Girl (TRIGGER) bio

vs.

Mimic - Exiles (HELLSTORMER) bio

Match 24:

Doc Samson (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Cable - Telepath (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: ASTEROID M

Asteroid M has been destroyed and reconstructed by the Master of Magnetism many times. All of them had several levels, including an observation deck, hangar bays and medical facilities. The various facilities had technology that kept it concealed from standard detection technology. They were all positioned in stationary orbit probably over Anya's grave (the deceased eldest child of Magneto).

Third version

It was during his brief association with the Hellfire Club, that Magneto rebuilt a fancier version of Asteroid M. Magneto wanted a contingency plan, if things didn't work out with the Hellfire Club. Therefore, he proceeded to rebuild his base of operations, to survey the Earth, from high above. From there, he heard of Scarlet Witch's troubles. He went down to Earth, to bring her back to his space station. This version was first seen in Avengers: West Coast #57 (April 1990).
When the West Coast Avengers attacked Asteroid M, we learn that Magneto has service robots on the station. The service robots were instrumental in alerting Magneto to the presence of Wasp, on his base. For obvious reasons, his entire asteroid isn't made out of metallic objects. Quicksilver demonstrated this when he ripped out plastic tubing out of one the consoles.
Afterwards events involving Zaladane, in the Savage Land, Magneto returned to Asteroid M, to live in peace. His peace didn't last that long, when Acolytes, led originally by Fabian Cortez, requested and were granted sanctuary by Magneto from American soldiers that were chasing them, on Asteroid M.
In X-Men (Second series) #1 (October 1991), it was stated that the asteroid was in synchronous orbit and 250 kilometers above the Earth (synchronous orbit is actually much farther from Earth than this; in all likelihood it was being magnetically levitated at that altitude). The asteroid also has selective inhibitor fields, that may keep mutants or superhumans from using their powers. This version of the asteroid has medical & science facilities, an observation deck, sleeping quarters, and a swimming pool.
Asteroid M was destroyed for the final time in X-Men (Second series) #3 (December 1991). From an escape pod, Cortez set off nuclear missiles that were around the asteroid. Although Magneto survived the re-entry of Asteroid M to Earth, the rest of the original Acolytes did not. The remains of the Asteroid M crashed into the Middle East. Forge, Henry Peter Gyrich, and other government officials, inspected the wreckage in Uncanny X-Men #299 (April 1993).

 

[Phaedrus45]

Spider-Man vs. Dragon Man:

First, a better biography on Dragon Man:

Strength level: Dragon possesses Class 100 strength, and is thus able to lift (press) somewhere over 100 tons.

Known Superhuman Powers: As a non-human synthetic creature, Dragon Man has a number of superhuman attributes. Dragon Man's body, made of high-density long-chain organic polymers, which were an attempt at manufacturing life-mimicking materials, has incredible durability and strength. His thick hide is capable of resisting without rupture ballistic impacts up to and including 155mm Howitzer shells, or 300 pounds of TNT. His body can withstand extremes in both temperature (from -200° to 1,000°+ Fahrenheit) and pressure (from 0.02 to 12.5 atmospheres). Not truly alive, Dragon Man does not need oxygen to sustain his pseudo-life. He is an omnivore, capable of consuming, diverse forms of matter and converting them to energy. (He has not yet tasted flesh). His tail, which is 7 feet long from base to tip, can be whipped at speeds of up to 130 feet per second (90 miles per hour), generating enough force to smash a 3-foot thick stone wall or topple a loaded 5,000 gallon tank truck.
Dragon Man can fly by means of an internal antigravity generator constructed out of synthetic materials. His bat-like wings, which span 35 feet from tip to tip, aid him in controlling his stability and direction. He can fly at a maximum speed of 30 miles per hour and reach a maximum height of 1,800 feet. Assuming he has a constant energy supply, Dragon Man is virtually tireless and can fly for an indefinite period of time.
Dragon Man exhales fire through his mouth by releasing a high-pressure stream of methane gas, a by-product of his unusual digestive system, through vents in the back of his throat. The gas mixes with air from his lungs and is ignited by specialized teeth, which can spark when struck together. This fire, which reaches a temperature of about 8,000° F, can be emitted for a maximum of 7 minutes before he needs to "refuel."


I'm not going to fully debate this match-up yet. (I'm not even includeing Spidey's powers. Heck, most of us know them, and I'll probably leave that up to my opponent to fully describe, if he wishes.) There are a few instances where Dragon Man and Spider-Man have appeared together: Web Of Spider-Man #61, 99 & 100...Spectacular Spider-Man #235 & 236. But, I want to make sure the readers have the better biography than what I originally provided. Plus, I'd like to point out one important part:

Although Dragon Man is slow-minded to the point that he is incapable of speech, he understands orders given by Diablo and is a determined foe of the Fantastic Four. Dragon Man is not especially malicious, although he is easily manipulated and provoked to violence.

One biography I read compared Dragon Man's brain to that of a dog. And, I figure my opponent will stress my character's lack of intelligence, which is an advantage for him. But, I want to stress that Dragon Man will realize that he is suppose to fight Spider-Man, has fought him in the past, and will be "provoked to violence" by orders from whoever is controlling this contest. (We've mentioned it would be someone, like the Beyonder; and, I believe since we want the best character to win, so would this Controller. His impulse would be enough, just like with Diablo.) Plus, he'll have his past experience to remember what not to do and what worked before. Even a dog can learn his lessons.

Spider-Man does have the advantage in regards to a few areas. He will be able to get a lot of research on Dragon Man, especially with access to Avenger's files. (Although, this version is before The Other transformation. He cannot use any of his new abilities or armor that Tony Stark has provided for him.) He'll be able to find out information on Asteroid M, but not as in-depth as X-Men files would have, I'm sure. (In fact, I'm not sure how in-depth Avenger's files on Asteroid M will be. I'm willing to hear what my opponent believes they'd have and see if I agree.)

This is probably going to be my most difficult match. Spider-Man got knocked out of Round 1 last season, and he's a popular favorite with all of us. It's hard to vote against him, and I know this will be an uphill battle. I even hate the thought of him getting eliminated again in the first round. But, I think this is one of the best matches so far of this season and it's up to JH and I to do it justice. Basically, when it all comes down to it, we both want the best man to win, whether that's going to be Spidey or Dragon Man.

Anyway, like I said, this isn't really my opening debate. It's giving my opponent an idea of where I'm coming from and pointing out a few of the things I see going into this match. I really respect both of these characters and can see this match going either way. Plus, the previous appearances will give me a clearer idea of what each character's previous experience has gained of the other.​

 

[Hellstormer]

BRACKET 2,

Match 23:

Spider-Girl (TRIGGER) bio

vs.

Mimic - Exiles (HELLSTORMER) bio

Damn guess I gotta go back to my original plan before Mimic, Morph, and Nocturne lost. He's always been my star character.

Ok Mimic has access to the Crystal Place so he'll be able to get info on Spider-Girl but she won't be able to get info for him. Spider-Girl IS a mutant, so he'll go into battle knowing this and immediately nab her powers in exchange for Beast's. Now he'll have:

Steel Skin
Super Strength
Super Speed
Optic Blast
Bone Claws
Healing Factor
Acute Senses
Spider Sense
Spider Agility
Spider Strength
Magnetism
Wall Sticking

Now the new spider powers will take a while to get use to but the enhanced agility he'll be able to use right away along with the Spider Sense.

This battle should be really easy for him. Mimic's not a mean guy but he's not a pushover (As seen in Exiles 14 and 15 where he single handedly took on an army robot and Namor.) And face it Namor could easily take SPider-Girl so as I see it.

Spider-Girl<Namor<Mimic

The battle will start with Mimic biding his time till he can copy the Spider-Girls power. He can very easily face her head on until he's got her powers then he can go for the kill shots very easily defeating her.

Winner=Mimic

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Match 24:

Doc Samson (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Cable - Telepath (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

Ok this is what I am going to assume for this battle:

Cable has telepathic abilities but he is no where near the X-Man range. Otherwise he has his normal skills and aptitude.

With regard to information, both will know of each other and Cable will have an added advantage of knowing the terrain better.

this battle will howvere be a head on battle. Doc Samson is Diet Hulk, like the Hulk but with less calories He has all the Hulk abilities to a lesser degree. One of those abilities is mind resistance (not immunity). Therefore the level of Cable's powers will have their improtance here.

In a straight up fist fight, Doc sampson wins easily given his strength levels and fighting prowess so it will all depend on how this battle goes. Cable can be potentially be put out of play by Doc Sampson before he is able to have any effect. Most of Cable's weaponry will have little effect given Doc Sampson's degree of physical resistance.

Doc Sampson should pull a win even if it will be through difficulty.

Winner - Doc Sampson

 

[JewishHobbit]

Spiderman (Classic) Vs Dragon Man

Okay, so this is an interesting match up. These two know one another, but they've only fought once really. They faught while Spidey was Cosmic so that really doesn't add much, and they fought once while it was Ben Reilly as Spidey. The only appearances that I know of where they truly fought was in Web of Spiderman 100, and spidey was facing Dragon Man along with about 4 or 5 other super characters (Vanisher, Plant Man, some others).

Dragon was unable to take out Spidey then when he was distracted by others... what chance will he have now? Just something to think on. So anyhow, here's some stuff to think about.

Neither character would be familiar with Asteroid M, though I'm sure Spidey can look up the info on the Avengers files, though I don't know how much he'd get from it. I'd say he'd probably get a minor amount of detail, but not much. Magneto being a semi-Avengers villain would give Asteroid M an entry, but I don't know how much, so take that as you will. Dragon Man will know nothing of the location.

Asteroid M grants spidey lots of moving room, but it's kinda tight for Dragon Man. There's areas where he can move, but mostly it'll be cramped. Not good flying room.

Dragon Man is also fairly dumb. He's basically like a big attack dog. My understanding of the character is that he isn't even very evil or agressive, but can be coaxed into it by others and he can follow the orders of others. For the sake of the match, I'll assume that he's aggressive to put him at maximum threat, but he's still dumb. He's basically a savage lack of thinking brute. Spidey's had a lot of experience with those types, and none's beat him yet.

Anyhow, I won't go into the detail as I see that Phaed did a decent job outlining Dragon Man's powers above, and we all know Spidey. So here's my thinking toward the battle.

Spidey will be aware of Dragon Man during preptime and will know how powerful Dragon Man is. He will then get ready by going through his things. He might bring the Spidey Armor if Phaed allows it, but it was destroyed in Web 100, so I'm up in the air about it. He kinda made it in a whip, so I bet he could do it again. He has also used Impact Webbing before (after Ben's death) so that'd be handy as well. Anyhow, they'd arrive on Asteroid M and it begins. It will begin and Spidey will be spidey, dodging and wisecracking. I can see him using Impact webbing to clog Dragon Man's mouth and to web him, but I doubt this would actually work. I basically added those in for measure.

This battle could be real hard, but I think the location is going to win it for Spidey. Asteroid M has some big areas, like the pool and such, but the majority of it is smaller, hallways and rooms and such. I figure it'd start in a larger area but Spidey would know to get out of his way. He'd fight Dragon Man for a while, but eventually he'd tuck away to think up his strategy. Dragon isn't very smart so he'd follow after and the fight would take place in more cramped quarters. It'd be normal size for Spidey, so he isn't restricted, but Dragon would have problems. I can see spidey webbing Dragon in place.

Now I figure the webbing would be torn easily, but by this time Dragon is growing wrathful. I can see him all out attacking and just going at it. Thing is, he doesn't have room for it and he isn't smart enough to know what to do otherwise. Long story short, his strength alone is enough to break the walls, and eventually he'll break hsi way out of the station and go floating away in space. He wouldn't die or anything, as he doesn't need to breath and he can withstand the pressure, but he can't fly in space or anything so he's just drifting off to defeat. He basically does it to himself. I'm sure Spidey would help coax him into something like that, knowing that he's an android and not technically alive.

I dont' have much time to detail stuff, but Peter's smart and Dragon's dumb. Brains always outwit strength (something Pete's not lacking on either), and the location make it difficult for Dragon to get any leverage to manauver like Spidey can.

Overall I can see Spidey winning this one.

Winner - Spidey