Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Hellstormer]

Match 12:

Mimic - Exiles (HELLSTORMER) bio

vs.

Cable - Telepath (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

This battle is gonna be pretty much even and I'll explain why. To my knowledge this is regular Cable before he got all tech. Now Cable is a version of X-Man with hindered abilities because of his T-O virus which puts him around 7/8's the ability of X-Man. Mimic on the other hand has the ability to copy half the abilities of 5 different mutants. Now Mimic has a great advantage because he can use the Crystal PLace which is a extradimensional palace with bios of all other world's and a teleportation system he can use to look at the battlefield. In this case the Raft. He'll study the field and find vantage points to help him.

Now the actual battle will begin with Mimic biding his time to absorb Cable's power in exchange for his Beast agility. This'll put him at 4/8's the ability of X-man...but wait he also has:

Steel Skin
Super Strength
Super Speed
Optic Blast
Bone Claws
Healing Factor
Acute Senses

This'll put him at a huge advantage seeing as how Cable has no idea who he is and Mimic likes to use his powers one at a time as not to give away everything he can do. He'll probaly start out with Colossus's armor and Wolverine's claws to fight hand-to-hand with Cable. Mental attacks will harm him a little until he gets the mental capabilities, then its show time. This'll let Mimic block the incoming telepathy attacks and force Cable to fight physically. Now Cable is a great strategist and tactician, he also is very good with weapons (mostly firearms). But this stuff will have no affect against a metal covered Mimic with 1/2 of Wolverine's healing ability. Not to mention eye beams he can use if it gets that far.

This battle has pretty much everything going the right way for Mimic.

Winner=Mimic

 

[Phaedrus45]

More about Bloodaxe:

I was hoping to find a good bio on Bloodaxe or Darkhawk in the Official Handbook. Sadly, nada so far on each. But, here is a good bio indicating Bloodaxes various abilities:

Intelligence: Normal (4/10)
Strength: Superhuman Class 100 (11/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Stamina: Metahuman (7/10)
Durability: Metahuman (9/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)
Fighting Skills: Highly formidable hand-to-hand combatant, relies on brute force rather than combat techniques
Special Limitations: In superhuman Bloodaxe form her rationality is overpowered by her lust for combat, vengeance, and bloodshed
Source of Superhuman Powers: Enchantment of Executioner's axe
Personal Weapondry: Double-bladed enchanted axe formerly belonging to Skurge (Executioner, deceased). The axe transforms its human wielder into the superhuman Bloodaxe, while taking partial possession of his mind, warping his personality and making him murderously aggressive. In physically transforming him, the axe increases the wielder's size and mass while flooding his body with magical energy. The Enchantress endowed the axe with the magical ability to create dimensional rifts. By this means Bloodaxe has been able to project concussive bolts of Asgardian mystical force and hurricane force winds from his axe. The axe is highly resistant to damage and can be used to deflect bullets

(So, Bloodaxe is Class 100 in Strength and has superhuman strength, agility, and reflexes. Also, durability and and stamina are metahuman.)

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe

Ha. Just calling it as I see it.

So am I.

Why would The Raft, a prison for superpowered individuals, have a courtyard? Plus, look at the description of The Raft:

[...]

There are going to be no courtyards, like you see in the TV Show, Prison Break. It's all underwater with no window. So, this point is mute.

I don't need to read the description. I've actually read the issues in which the Raft appears. The New Avengers fought the prisoners outside. So sue me for calling it a courtyard, but I don't see Bloodaxe liking the confined space and breaking out to outside. It's not all underwater you know. So, no, that point is not moot.

First, no two Ultron's are alike. And, this version of Ultron seemed much, much weaker than previous versions I have ever seen. Second, remember, this wasn't Ultron vs. Darkhawk. This was Ultron vs. The Runaways and The Loners(or Excelsior). Just because Darkhawk gave the final blow does not indicate anything. From what I've read of Darkhawk and his powers, I do not see him doing anything to the durability of either Bloodaxe or Thor.

That is not necessarily true. Pretty much every Ultron after Ultron 5 was made out of adamantium. Even Thor has trouble fighting Ultron, and even though Darkhawk faced Ultron with a team, he was still the one to actually blow the android bastard apart. That's a feat up there with the big guys. Remember even Thor has to task himself in order to destroy a secondary adamantium Ultron.

The supposed grappling hook simply wouldn't work, because it would be deflected right back to Darkhawk. In fact, much of Darkhawk would be effected by Bloodaxe's ability to "manipulate magnetic fields." There is so much metal on him, from his claws to his grapple hook, Bloodaxe just won't be touched.

Alien metal. Besides, it's not like Bloodaxe is a Magneto or even a Polaris. It's rudimentary control of magnetic fields. Also, it's not like he's going to be able to use the axe's powers all at the same time. Darkhawk would go for the axe when he knows he won't be bothered by the magnetics.

Like I also already noted, Bloodaxe needs only to loosen his grip a little bit for Darkhawk to take the axe, and once that happens, Bloodaxe has no more control of it. It would not require much strength, a little pull. Even though the weapons of Asgard are enchanted, they've not shown to be incredibly heavy. Captain America was able to lift Thor's hammer, a combination of his strength and worthiness. Darkhawk is stronger than Cap.

Again, Darkhawk's speed is associated with his flight. He's not going to be able to fly very well in The Raft. Second, teleportation could be very crucial. Whereever Bloodaxe has been before is available for teleportation, including teleporting right behind Darkhawk and cutting him in two. Darkhawk's big disadvantage will be not knowing many of Bloodaxe's abilities. He'll try his grappling hook and quickly discover it's not good, even possibly getting caught in his own cables. Basically, the more I look at this match, the more I see that Darkhawk is totally screwed.

I've already discussed the flight thing. Teleportation would be incredibly hard to pull off. It needs to be a place Bloodaxe has been before. Not only is Darkhawk spending most of the time from the ground, Bloodaxe isn't going to teleport in the midst of battle to another part of the battlefield he's been before, since there's no logic in it. They would have to fight in circles for that to be effective, while they would more logically in more of a straight line. It's also quite doubtful Darkhawk would get stuck in his own cables. A) He's not a moron, B) he can just recall it into his gauntlet thingie as easy as that.

I figured it was #2, anyway, which works for me quite nicely. A second couldn't be accurate in any fashion. The Darkhawk armor has to teleport away, has to be quickly fixed, and then return to Chris. Chris has no speed to hide from someone with Asgardian reflexes. Without the Darkhawk armor, he's just a normal teenager. His death would be very quick.

It doesn't really matter whether you think that's accurate or not. It's been shown on panel that the transformation is instant. Repairing the armor is also, wait for it... instant. The transformation takes a second tops. He needs to get away from Bloodaxe for a while (he could fly back into the cell complex and use that to hide for a few moments) and come back as strong as when he started.

Actually, Chris Powell is a very unstable kid. (Plus, Marvel Team-Up arc of League of Losers cannot be used. This has been noted as an alternate timeline from Marvel.) You cannot use examples of alternate timelines when describing your character's powers. This actually came up last week, and I made a decision to JH concerning this, which I PMed him. I'll provide that ruling below for an explanation:

Except that ruling doesn't really apply here. It didn't want to go into the temporal physics of it as it may confuse, but I'm giving it a little shot anyway:
- Chronok comes into 616, killing every superhero.
- 616 Darkhawk and a group survive, and travel to the future.
- 616 Darkhawk and his team defeat Chronok before he can travel to 616.
- The Darkhawk that's stuck in the future is still 616 Darkhawk. There's just another 616 Darkhawk, in his own reality, that didn't face Chronok.

I'm not using the expertise of future Darkhawk, I'm using the expertise of current timeline Darkhawk, which is the exact same character as future Darkhawk before future Darkhawk went into the future. Thing is, he's an intituitive kid with enough of a knack for technology.

Also, Chris Powell is hardly as unstable as you think he is. Yes, he's had troubles with his superhero identity (which superhero hasn't?). He's also been in the game since 1991 (real-time), which translates to about 3 to 5 years Marvel time. He persevered through all of it.

It's only going to take one swipe of the axe to kill Darkhawk; then when Chris is standing there another swipe to end it all.

Bloodaxe's axe won't be coming near Darkhawk except when Darkhawk has it.

Thor losing his hammer in the past was usually because he ended up throwing it, or someone with much better abilities than Darkhawk provided more of a challenge. It didn't happen all the time, and as I said, it was because he'd toss it at someone. I can't remember any instances where it was pulled out of this hands.

There's also the whole blast it out of his hand technique, and pick it up before Bloodaxe can take it. 60 seconds is all he needs to wait for it all to be over. That's a crippling weakness that Darkhawk can and will exploit.

Yes, Chris isn't that experienced. His time with both teams were extremely short, and his experience in Excelsior just limited to what we saw in their short run in Runaways. When people think of West Coast Avengers and New Warriors, he's be the very last name you'd think of. Plus, Chris is currently very unstable, as the following explains:

Chris displayed trouble controlling his anger in his Darkhawk persona, leading to a short skirmish with Turbo. Dismayed with himself, Chris decided to never turn into Darkhawk again.

He did help out; but, it shows how he is currently having troubles in his Darkhawk persona.

Chris has been doing this for 3 to 5 years, as I've already explained. Yes, his time with those teams was not for any significant amount of time, but it was enough for him to save the world once or twice. He's not the rookie you make him out to be.

The troubles with the Darkhawk persona did not appear before that, and he was able to control it enough to destroy Ultron. After that, he went back into the superhero business, as you can also read here:

However, Chris has become Darkhawk once more, for a special mission for Excelsior; in which the team are trying to help the teen super-heroes known as the Runaways. With the completion of this mission, Darkhawk again appears to be an active superhero on the west coast.

[...]

Following the battle and the revelation of Jones' involvement, Excelsior opted to remain together and act as a more traditional super-hero team.

As explained above, there will not be courtyards in The Raft. This is not your normal prison; it's strictly for supervillians. They'd be foolish to let these prisoners out of their cell to wander about in a courtyard.

Except it's been shown that the facility has at least something similar to a courtyard. The fight with the New Avengers was not limited to the prison. Lest we forget, it's also an island. The prison doesn't cover the entire island.

Below is just one mention of his speed:
Abilities: Superhuman strength, endurance and speed,
Wields enchanted axe that can cut through nearly anything

Also:
Bloodaxe was endowed with superhuman strength, reflexes, stamina and endurance. He was invulnerable to conventional firearms, incendiary or ballistic devices.

Basically, he's got the speed, just as do many Asgardians.

"Many Asgardians"? Asgardians are faster than your average human being, but not much faster. Heck, even Thor hardly uses any of this so-called superspeed. I'm also afraid that one mention of speed isn't really going to cut it for me.

Again, I don't see any problems Bloodaxe will have in this match, especially considering many of Darkhawk's initial attacks will easily be negated by Bloodaxe's abilities and the enclosed corridors of The Raft.

I see lots of troubles with Bloodaxe in this match, and as I have repeated multiple times now, the fight would hardly be kept in the enclosed spaces of the underground cell complex.

Darkhawk has the power, the resourcefullness and the skill to take this.

WINNER=DARKHAWK

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe

I was hoping to find a good bio on Bloodaxe or Darkhawk in the Official Handbook. Sadly, nada so far on each. But, here is a good bio indicating Bloodaxes various abilities:

Intelligence: Normal (4/10)
Strength: Superhuman Class 100 (11/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Stamina: Metahuman (7/10)
Durability: Metahuman (9/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)
Fighting Skills: Highly formidable hand-to-hand combatant, relies on brute force rather than combat techniques
Special Limitations: In superhuman Bloodaxe form her rationality is overpowered by her lust for combat, vengeance, and bloodshed
Source of Superhuman Powers: Enchantment of Executioner's axe
Personal Weapondry: Double-bladed enchanted axe formerly belonging to Skurge (Executioner, deceased). The axe transforms its human wielder into the superhuman Bloodaxe, while taking partial possession of his mind, warping his personality and making him murderously aggressive. In physically transforming him, the axe increases the wielder's size and mass while flooding his body with magical energy. The Enchantress endowed the axe with the magical ability to create dimensional rifts. By this means Bloodaxe has been able to project concussive bolts of Asgardian mystical force and hurricane force winds from his axe. The axe is highly resistant to damage and can be used to deflect bullets

(So, Bloodaxe is Class 100 in Strength and has superhuman strength, agility, and reflexes. Also, durability and and stamina are metahuman.)

Where's this bio from? Considering Bloodaxe was mostly Thunderstrike's sparring partner (a class 80), I doubt the class 100 figure. His stamina is impressive but is outclassed by Darkhawk's ability to instantly heal himself.

Besides that, I think the most damning thing you could've done is post the "In superhuman Bloodaxe form her rationality is overpowered by her lust for combat, vengeance, and bloodshed". While Darkhawk will be thinking rationally, Bloodaxe will basically be a savage animal.

WINNER=DARKHAWK

 

[Ahura Mazda]

BRACKET 1,

Match 11:

Psylocke (PRIMEMOVER) bio

vs.

Professor X(AHURA MAZDA) bio

Obviously both of these characters know each other well with the Professor knowing more as her teacher.

Now the battle ground is very importnat here. The Professor would be able to get full plans on the Raft and as such will head for the command center as soon as he arrives.

Psylocke who no longer has any telepathic abilities will have to look for the Professor who will be evading her. The Professor once he makes it into the command center will lock Psylocke out and trick her using the facilities into a prison room taking her out of battle.

Winner - The Professor

 

[Phaedrus45]

REBUTTAL: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe


Where's this bio from? Considering Bloodaxe was mostly Thunderstrike's sparring partner (a class 80), I doubt the class 100 figure. His stamina is impressive but is outclassed by Darkhawk's ability to instantly heal himself.

Besides that, I think the most damning thing you could've done is post the "In superhuman Bloodaxe form her rationality is overpowered by her lust for combat, vengeance, and bloodshed". While Darkhawk will be thinking rationally, Bloodaxe will basically be a savage animal.

WINNER=DARKHAWK

It's from a site that we use quite frequently in matches describing the powers of Asgardians. (I know we've used it in our battles with Contest I & 2. I just finally thought of looking there.) Also, remember that Bloodaxe isn't compared in powers to Thunderstrike; he's compared in power to Thor. That's a big difference.

http://www.immortalthor.net/

Great site. And, while you see a disadvantage for Darkhawk, to me it's an advantage. With a one-on-one contest, all that "combat, vengeance, and bloodshed" is going to be focused on one person: Darkhawk.

 

[Phaedrus45]

REBUTTAL: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe
I don't need to read the description. I've actually read the issues in which the Raft appears. The New Avengers fought the prisoners outside. So sue me for calling it a courtyard, but I don't see Bloodaxe liking the confined space and breaking out to outside. It's not all underwater you know. So, no, that point is not moot.

This match takes place in The Raft, not outside of it. If Darkhawk goes outside and flies about, he's left the area. And, Bloodaxe has no problem with confined spaces, especially since it will put his opponent at a distinct disadvantage.

That is not necessarily true. Pretty much every Ultron after Ultron 5 was made out of adamantium. Even Thor has trouble fighting Ultron, and even though Darkhawk faced Ultron with a team, he was still the one to actually blow the android bastard apart. That's a feat up there with the big guys. Remember even Thor has to task himself in order to destroy a secondary adamantium Ultron.

I'm basing my reasoning on two reasons. 1) The Ultron in Runaways didn't seem anywhere on the level of the great Ultron's I've read from Avenger's past, and 2) I've read Darkhawk since he premiered, and never has he shown the power that's described to destroy adamantium.

Alien metal. Besides, it's not like Bloodaxe is a Magneto or even a Polaris. It's rudimentary control of magnetic fields. Also, it's not like he's going to be able to use the axe's powers all at the same time. Darkhawk would go for the axe when he knows he won't be bothered by the magnetics.

It's his power, plain and simple. The metallic objects that Darkhawk would use on Bloodaxe simply won't work, especially when he's aiming for Bloodaxe's axe.

Like I also already noted, Bloodaxe needs only to loosen his grip a little bit for Darkhawk to take the axe, and once that happens, Bloodaxe has no more control of it. It would not require much strength, a little pull. Even though the weapons of Asgard are enchanted, they've not shown to be incredibly heavy. Captain America was able to lift Thor's hammer, a combination of his strength and worthiness. Darkhawk is stronger than Cap.

The key word is "worthiness," something most people don't have. Bloodaxe isn't going to loosen his grip, like some novice. This is a stab in the dark. It won't work, plain and simple.

I've already discussed the flight thing. Teleportation would be incredibly hard to pull off. It needs to be a place Bloodaxe has been before. Not only is Darkhawk spending most of the time from the ground, Bloodaxe isn't going to teleport in the midst of battle to another part of the battlefield he's been before, since there's no logic in it. They would have to fight in circles for that to be effective, while they would more logically in more of a straight line. It's also quite doubtful Darkhawk would get stuck in his own cables. A) He's not a moron, B) he can just recall it into his gauntlet thingie as easy as that.

Teleportation won't be hard to pull off. Where ever Bloodaxe has walked or been in The Raft is a place he can teleport to. Thus, if he was in the next room earlier, he can teleport to that room. If he's in a room with Darkhawk, he's in the room and can teleport directly behind him.

(I'll be back later to Refute the rest. I have my boy's birthday party coming up later, and have to get things ready for Chuck E. Cheese. Great debate, either way. Even if...)

Winner is Bloodaxe

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe

I think we're slowly starting to go in circles, so I have no troubles closing off a few subjects, if you don't mind.

It's from a site that we use quite frequently in matches describing the powers of Asgardians. (I know we've used it in our battles with Contest I & 2. I just finally thought of looking there.) Also, remember that Bloodaxe isn't compared in powers to Thunderstrike; he's compared in power to Thor. That's a big difference.

http://www.immortalthor.net/

Ah, yes, I know that site. That backs up your point a little. And it doesn't really matters who's compared to when he's the typical foe of Thunderstrike, not Thor.

This match takes place in The Raft, not outside of it. If Darkhawk goes outside and flies about, he's left the area. And, Bloodaxe has no problem with confined spaces, especially since it will put his opponent at a distinct disadvantage.

The Raft is the entirety of the island. The Raft is not just the 8 levels of cells underneath the island. There's a whole complex on top, and that's the Raft too. Going outside in no way violates the rules.

I'm basing my reasoning on two reasons. 1) The Ultron in Runaways didn't seem anywhere on the level of the great Ultron's I've read from Avenger's past, and 2) I've read Darkhawk since he premiered, and never has he shown the power that's described to destroy adamantium.

And I'm basing it on a reason as well. Ultron hasn't been shown since the 70's without at least being made out of secondary adamantium. He may have been weaker strength-wise, but there's nothing that indicates Ultron's armour was any different, besides Darkhawk blowing it to smithereens. I'm willing to leave that up to the voters.

It's his power, plain and simple. The metallic objects that Darkhawk would use on Bloodaxe simply won't work, especially when he's aiming for Bloodaxe's axe.

Again, I wonder how this savage animal is going to use this when he's firing energy blasts as well. Bloodaxe isn't smart enough for that, if he can even use the powers simultanously. That's when Darkhawk will strike.

The key word is "worthiness," something most people don't have. Bloodaxe isn't going to loosen his grip, like some novice. This is a stab in the dark. It won't work, plain and simple.

Considering Bloodaxe really isn't that smart of a beast, I don't see why this couldn't happen. This fight will take a while, and if doesn't just throw the axe at him in rage, I could see him messing up eventually. Also, the worthiness doesn't factor into it. They still need the strength to lift the weapon.

Teleportation won't be hard to pull off. Where ever Bloodaxe has walked or been in The Raft is a place he can teleport to. Thus, if he was in the next room earlier, he can teleport to that room. If he's in a room with Darkhawk, he's in the room and can teleport directly behind him.

Except the fight would probably not end up in this same place twice. The place is very very big, and like I said, I doubt the fight would go in circles, but would be linear. Teleportation won't be of much aid here.

(I'll be back later to Refute the rest. I have my boy's birthday party coming up later, and have to get things ready for Chuck E. Cheese. Great debate, either way. Even if...)

Awesome. Congrulations man. I do agree, this one hell of a debate.

WINNER=DARKHAWK

 

[Midnight Ice]

Final Results:

Tana Nile beat Madison Jeffries 12-0
Kid Omega beat Ares 6-5
Frankie Raye beat Doorman 8-4
Joseph beat Human Torch 8-4

Ok, neither of these are my characters, but how come all of the matches add up to 12 except Kid Omega/Ares?

 

[Hellstormer]

Ok, neither of these are my characters, but how come all of the matches add up to 12 except Kid Omega/Ares?

Cuz they were both Phaed's characters and it was a tie so he picked the one he wanted.

 

[Midnight Ice]

Oh, gotcha

 

[primemover]

Psylocke vs. Professor X - Opening remarks

This is an interesting battle, but due to a few major factors, Psylocke wins this with relative ease.

Psylocke's powers have changed over the years, she was once a high level telepath, but those powers have since gone. She is now a powerful telekinetic, using this power to make force fields, attack with it oftentimes creating a glowing pink sword, and fly. She can also do some other atypical things with her telekinesis, like compressing iron to create denser projectiles, and using that power to make intangible people tangible again. She is also a high level fighter using martial arts and acrobatics. She is also completly immune to telepathic senses and attacks, even to the likes and power level of Professor Xavier(they fought when Xavier was posessed by the Shadow King).

This last part is the most important factor in this fight.

Professor X is an omni-path, one of the most powerful telepaths in known existance.

They would each know full well what the other is capable of, so knowledge is a push.

The Raft presents interesting problems, but both Xavier and Psylocke would be able to get as much information of the site as they need.


As I said above, Psylockes immunity to telepathy is the key here, even at Xaiver's level, as that would completely nullify Xaviers offensive abilities. If he tries to use any weapons, her telekinetic shields will keep her save.

Psylocke on the other hand has many tools to take out Xavier, her fighting skills and athletic ability can knock him out and even injure him if she wanted to, but she would not want to. That battle would most likely end in a more peacable way, like Psylocke using her psi-sword to shut Xavier down by shoving it in his head, or even making a telekinetic bubble putting him to sleep by either keeping oxygen from the brain or just doing an air choke.

There really isn't anything Xavier could do.

Winner: Psylocke

 

[primemover]

Psylocke vs. Professor X - Rebuttal

Obviously both of these characters know each other well with the Professor knowing more as her teacher.

Now the battle ground is very importnat here. The Professor would be able to get full plans on the Raft and as such will head for the command center as soon as he arrives.

Psylocke who no longer has any telepathic abilities will have to look for the Professor who will be evading her. The Professor once he makes it into the command center will lock Psylocke out and trick her using the facilities into a prison room taking her out of battle.

This is a rather silly proposition, as Psylocke would be able to get the same plans and know fully well what the Raft is and what it encompasses. Tricking her into a cell is just silly. Even if he does trick her into a cell, that doesn't really end the battle, andher telekinesis could still knock his ass out through the cell door.

Winner: Psylocke

 

[Phaedrus45]

The Truth About Darkhawk and Runaway's Ultron:

Before I go into my rebuttal to the above arguments, I pulled out my entire collection of Darkhawk and the Darkhawk appearances in Runaways. This will be important to my rebuttals; but, I wanted to present it in it's seperate post.

Darkhawk #1: Darkhawk's weakness is immediately touched upon. He has a real problem with electricity.

Darkhawk #4: It is noticed quite a few of these D-list enemies that Darkhawk had in his own comic tend to get hit square on by Darkhawk's energy blasts. Case in point, this issue shows Savage Steel getting a direct hit from just arm's length, and it doesn't effect him much at all.

Darkhawk #8: In this issue, another D-list enemy, Lodestone. One of the main things that Darkhawk's enemies notice is that Darkhawk's powers stem from the jewel on his chest. It's rather easy to notice. (BTW, she uses electricity to incapacitate Darkhawk and almost gets the jewel, but someone attacks her from behind.) Darkhawk is rather easily subdued. In fact, it seems as if he has trouble when in a confined space and quickly tries to escape outside.

Darkhawk #11: Darkhawk versus a B-list character: Tombstone. Tombstone totally toys around with Darkhawk in this issue. He gets hit dead-on with Darkhawks energy blasts. It hardly has any effect on him. It doesn't stop him one bit. Plus, you get to see Darkhawk change when injured. Tombstone gives him time to recover. It probably takes a two or three seconds. BUT, these aren't big injuries. Nothing life threatning. Tombstone knows the Darkhawk's powers stem from the jewel on his chest, and actually uses his strength to rip it off his chest. Darkhawk cannot use his healing power with the jewel gone.

Darkhawk #12: How is Darkhawks saved at the beginning of this issue? Just like with Darkhawk #8. Someone hits Tombstone in the back, allowing Darkhawk to escape certain death. Without his jewel, he's very weak, unable to change and heal himself all issue.


Darkhawk #17: Another D-list villian, named Siberion, hits Darkhawk with ice. Darkhawk says, "Cold--isn't hurting me----but ice--slowing me down." So, it appears two weaknesses Darkhawk has: Electricity and ice that slows him down.

Darkhawk #19: I will note that Darkhawk doesn't seem to be effected by fire much at all, as noted in this issue. Again, ice is another matter all together.

Darkhawk #23: Another case of where a D-list opponent, St. Johnny, gets a big direct hit from Darkhawk's energy blast. It doesn't stop him much at all, just makes him more angry.

Darkhawk #24: An electric attack knocks Darkhawk out again. One thing to point out, nothing shows great speed beyond regular superhuman in any of these issues. In fact, when in confined spaces, the villians seem able to grab him quite easily. Many times, he changes back to human form in order to escape; the villians can't realize that the human is Darkhawk.

(Now, I'm going to fast forward to Runaways, where Darkhawk joined Excelsior. This is the moment he blasted Ultron into pieces.)

Runaways #6: As I remembered to reading this previous, I wasn't too impressed with this version of Ultron for some reason. Now, I found out why. In Ultron's own words, his origin: "We are inside the memory of our networked mainframes, my son, witnessing the birth of the very first Ultron robot. This is Dr. Henry Pym, my father, your grandfather. Despite the love and loyalty I showed him, I'm afraid he turned out to be a very evil man. Together with the West Coast branch of a violent organization known as the Avengers, Dr. Pym destroyed countless incarnations of his firstborn...including my model. He unceremoniously deposited my remains at a scrap yard, and my still-active CPU was forced to stare at the remnants of an old clock for what seemed like an eternity.....Years later, I finally set my plan in motion when I saw a young woman stealing materials from my resting place for one of her wretched architecture projects.

So, it's shown that all she takes is Ultron's head. The rest of his body she helps the talking Ultron head build. This is obviously not adamantium; she gets scraps from here and there. And, what gets blown to scrap at the end? The body of Ultron, but the head is intact.

Now, one thing that Runaways does show is that Darkhawk is very unstable mentally. On two occasions, he grabs his teammates by the neck in extreme anger. And, why does Darkhawk blast Ultron to smithereens? As he says, Ultron is not a living being, so he doesn't mind killing it.

Main Points from the above:

*Darkhawk is slowed down with ice, as Bloodaxe's axe will provide.

*Darkhawk doesn't seem to work well in confined spaces.

*Darkhawk doesn't like electricity, which will be all around The Raft.

*Darkhawk can be knocked unconscious.

*Darkhawk's energy blasts aren't that powerful. He's hit numerous enemies point blank from a couple feet away, and it just seemed to irritate them.

*Darkhawk can be defeated by removing the jewel from his chest.

*The effect of Darkhawk being cut in two has never been shown. Extreme damage done to Darkhawk, as Bloodaxe can do, has never been shown. Plus, who knows what would happen if Darkhawk's head was removed from his body.

*Darkhawk refuses to use extreme force on living beings.

*Darkhawk is mentally unstable in his current condition, given to fits of unrationality; so much so, he's thought about quit being Darkhawk in his most recent appearances.

*Darkhawk's defeat of Ultron is not, in any way, the normal Ultron's the Avenger's normally face. Don't mistake that defeat as defeating a normal Ultron.

 

[Phaedrus45]

REBUTTAL: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe

The Raft is the entirety of the island. The Raft is not just the 8 levels of cells underneath the island. There's a whole complex on top, and that's the Raft too. Going outside in no way violates the rules.

This will have to be a JH decision. When we've had it in a structure before, it's always been in the structure; unless something happened to the structure, as we said might happen with the Baxter Building. But, I'll let JH decide.

And I'm basing it on a reason as well. Ultron hasn't been shown since the 70's without at least being made out of secondary adamantium. He may have been weaker strength-wise, but there's nothing that indicates Ultron's armour was any different, besides Darkhawk blowing it to smithereens. I'm willing to leave that up to the voters.

Ok, as I've shown above, the person who made ultron obviously couldn't get ahold of adamantium. She helped build everything, but the head. (And, as I said, the head stayed intact, probably showing the head is made of much stronger stuff than the body.) And, Darkhawk has a sense not to attack a living being with much force. PLUS, he's used a great extent of power against such foes as Tombstone, and it's just angered them more.

Considering Bloodaxe really isn't that smart of a beast, I don't see why this couldn't happen. This fight will take a while, and if doesn't just throw the axe at him in rage, I could see him messing up eventually. Also, the worthiness doesn't factor into it. They still need the strength to lift the weapon.

Bloodaxe has normal intelligence. He shouldn't be compared to a beast. I would venture that Bloodaxe is no more or less intelligent than Darkhawk.

Except the fight would probably not end up in this same place twice. The place is very very big, and like I said, I doubt the fight would go in circles, but would be linear. Teleportation won't be of much aid here.

Darkhawk likes to attack frontally for a reason. All his powers lie in front of him. Bloodaxe will realize this quickly enough, teleport behind him, and strike him down. He might even remove Darkhawk's jewel, if that's the case. Again, I've gone through pretty much all of Darkhawk's appearances, and while he's a neat character, his weaknesses are sadly transparent. Tombstone isn't a great intellect, but he knew his weaknesses right away.

Now, I'll quote some things from your previous argument I didn't have time to touch on.

It doesn't really matter whether you think that's accurate or not. It's been shown on panel that the transformation is instant. Repairing the armor is also, wait for it... instant. The transformation takes a second tops. He needs to get away from Bloodaxe for a while (he could fly back into the cell complex and use that to hide for a few moments) and come back as strong as when he started.

Ok, the transformation is pretty quick...but, not instant. I'd say probably within 3-5 seconds. But, the damage done to him hasn't been anything close to life threatning. (Although, I did see him get disintegrated in issue #24, which caused his human form to be captured the next issue. I would guess the trauma of something so severe caused the Darkhawk uniform to go back to Null Space and him to revert to human, passed out. I would venture a guess having his body cut in two or having his head removed might do the same.)

Except that ruling doesn't really apply here. It didn't want to go into the temporal physics of it as it may confuse, but I'm giving it a little shot anyway:
- Chronok comes into 616, killing every superhero.
- 616 Darkhawk and a group survive, and travel to the future.
- 616 Darkhawk and his team defeat Chronok before he can travel to 616.
- The Darkhawk that's stuck in the future is still 616 Darkhawk. There's just another 616 Darkhawk, in his own reality, that didn't face Chronok.

Marvel has stated Chronok didn't come into the 616. Here is the worlds effected. (It's really confusing all these different earths.)

The time-traveling villain Chronok of Earth-6025, year 2099, brought a massive army back in time to the modern era to change his history. He used an extensive knowledge of Earth’s superheroes to destroy them, causing the timeline of Earth-6025 to diverge into Earth-6215. The only surviving heroes were a few lesser known heroes some of whom didn't even appear in the historical records. These misfit heroes, along with Terror, became known as the League of Losers. Speedball managed to steal Chronok’s time-travelling device, and the group traveled to the year 2099 of Earth-2992 (prior to its divergence from Earth-6025) a month before Chronok’s theft of the time-travelling device from Reed Richards and his student, Chad Channing. The group prevented Chronok from stealing the device, killing him in the middle of time-travelling, and saved the heroes of their world from ever dying. As a result, they were trapped in the future within Earth-2992.

or, for a quicker explanation, not so confusing:

In an alternate reality the time-traveling villain Chronok killed all heroes on earth, except for Darkhawk, Speedball, Dagger, Sleepwalker, Mutant 2099, Gravity, Arana, X-23, and Terror Inc.

There is no debate about this. It's an alternate earth, not 616.

Also, Chris Powell is hardly as unstable as you think he is. Yes, he's had troubles with his superhero identity (which superhero hasn't?). He's also been in the game since 1991 (real-time), which translates to about 3 to 5 years Marvel time. He persevered through all of it.

The Runaway issues I looked at, which were issues 3-6, showed him being pretty unstable. He's strangling two of his teammates, and the readers understand why he wants to quit transforming into Darkhawk. This is clearly not the same level-headed Darkhawk we remember from his 50 issue series.


While I am constantly dismissing many attributes you bring up with Darkhawk, I do want to point out that in the many first appearances of Bloodaxe, he was able to best Thunderstrike on numerous occasions, and he even bested Thor. I remember loving his character when I read about him in the 90's, and I was sorry the Thunderstrike series ended; because, it ended up ending a really cool character in Bloodstrike.

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe

Main Points from the above:
*Darkhawk is slowed down with ice, as Bloodaxe's axe will provide.
*Darkhawk doesn't seem to work well in confined spaces.
*Darkhawk doesn't like electricity, which will be all around The Raft.
*Darkhawk can be knocked unconscious.

- Any creature will be slowed down by ice. The cold however, doesn't affect him.
- Naturally, Darkhawk doesn't work well in confined spaces. Bloodaxe doesn't either. He's about as big as a cell corridor himself.
- You've said yourself that Bloodaxe doesn't think rationally. Electricity won't come into play.
- Ofcourse he can be knocked unconscious. Him and all the other characters in this competition.

*Darkhawk's energy blasts aren't that powerful. He's hit numerous enemies point blank from a couple feet away, and it just seemed to irritate them.

It seems I did underestimate his blasts (although something can be said for them increasing in power over time), but they can still be used to knock the axe from Bloodaxe's hand.

*Darkhawk can be defeated by removing the jewel from his chest.

Which, y'know, Bloodaxe won't think of, because he's not thinking rationally.

*The effect of Darkhawk being cut in two has never been shown. Extreme damage done to Darkhawk, as Bloodaxe can do, has never been shown. Plus, who knows what would happen if Darkhawk's head was removed from his body.

Ofcourse, this is the part where I say that'll never happen.

*Darkhawk refuses to use extreme force on living beings.

Doesn't really matter in this case since Bloodaxe is grossly more powerful in strength and endurance. In other words, he can take a hit.

*Darkhawk is mentally unstable in his current condition, given to fits of unrationality; so much so, he's thought about quit being Darkhawk in his most recent appearances.

Fits of unrationality still hold up better than complete unrationality (which is what Bloodaxe's mental state is).

*Darkhawk's defeat of Ultron is not, in any way, the normal Ultron's the Avenger's normally face. Don't mistake that defeat as defeating a normal Ultron.

Still an Ultron that gave Excelsior and the Runaways trouble, so he has quite a bit of power.

This will have to be a JH decision. When we've had it in a structure before, it's always been in the structure; unless something happened to the structure, as we said might happen with the Baxter Building. But, I'll let JH decide.

But the Raft isn't just a structure. It's the entirety of the island.

Ok, as I've shown above, the person who made ultron obviously couldn't get ahold of adamantium. She helped build everything, but the head. (And, as I said, the head stayed intact, probably showing the head is made of much stronger stuff than the body.) And, Darkhawk has a sense not to attack a living being with much force. PLUS, he's used a great extent of power against such foes as Tombstone, and it's just angered them more.

- Ultron is still pretty damn strong.
- His powers have obviously increased.
- He will use that much force once he finds out Bloodaxe can take it.

]Bloodaxe has normal intelligence. He shouldn't be compared to a beast. I would venture that Bloodaxe is no more or less intelligent than Darkhawk.

You yourself said that Bloodaxe was completely unrational, focused only on violence and vengeance. That doesn't give him much mental fortitude.

Darkhawk likes to attack frontally for a reason. All his powers lie in front of him. Bloodaxe will realize this quickly enough, teleport behind him, and strike him down. He might even remove Darkhawk's jewel, if that's the case. Again, I've gone through pretty much all of Darkhawk's appearances, and while he's a neat character, his weaknesses are sadly transparent. Tombstone isn't a great intellect, but he knew his weaknesses right away.

And Bloodaxe is in essence a great big beast. He's there for fighting, not thinking. It's what made me doubt how effective teleporting would be, if he doesn't think of it, but he can do it, so what the hey. I will admit that the teleportation thing is a bit of a hazard.

Ok, the transformation is pretty quick...but, not instant. I'd say probably within 3-5 seconds. But, the damage done to him hasn't been anything close to life threatning. (Although, I did see him get disintegrated in issue #24, which caused his human form to be captured the next issue. I would guess the trauma of something so severe caused the Darkhawk uniform to go back to Null Space and him to revert to human, passed out. I would venture a guess having his body cut in two or having his head removed might do the same.)

He's going to get more than a few seconds though. The building's made up of 8 levels of cells. It's a big place. He has a minute to recuperate.

Marvel has stated Chronok didn't come into the 616. Here is the worlds effected. (It's really confusing all these different earths.)

Okay, I will conceed that, since it seems Marvel did. I was misinformed on that (since nothing in the actual story indicates that it wasn't the 616 Earth).

The Runaway issues I looked at, which were issues 3-6, showed him being pretty unstable. He's strangling two of his teammates, and the readers understand why he wants to quit transforming into Darkhawk. This is clearly not the same level-headed Darkhawk we remember from his 50 issue series.

He's still not as unrational as his foe.

We're going around in circles by now, and I think it's time we left it up to the voters. Great debate either way, Phaed.

WINNER=DARKHAWK

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Psylocke vs. Professor X - Rebuttal

This is a rather silly proposition, as Psylocke would be able to get the same plans and know fully well what the Raft is and what it encompasses. Tricking her into a cell is just silly. Even if he does trick her into a cell, that doesn't really end the battle, andher telekinesis could still knock his ass out through the cell door.

It is not so silly given my position. X is a master tactician and the control room like any prison will have lockout procedures. It also has mechanisisms that use knockout gas and other such amenities. From the control center, he would be able to use everything made available which in turn gives him a fighting chance against someone who may be immune to his powers.

On one note, it is mentionned she is immune because Rachel Grey could not telepathically communicate with her. Now X is at least a far better telepath then Rachel (who lost against Emma in a mental battle). There is the off chance he could use his powers, augmented by a portable cerebra, against her. And if he did break though the match would be over.

Also, lets not forget this is student against teacher so there is no way Psylocke will go all out.

 

[Phaedrus45]

REBUTTAL: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe

- Any creature will be slowed down by ice. The cold however, doesn't affect him.
- Naturally, Darkhawk doesn't work well in confined spaces. Bloodaxe doesn't either. He's about as big as a cell corridor himself.
- You've said yourself that Bloodaxe doesn't think rationally. Electricity won't come into play.
- Ofcourse he can be knocked unconscious. Him and all the other characters in this competition.

Well, I'm winding down. We're probably at the point in the debate where we are both going to agree to disagree on a few points. I'll just state what I believe and what I don't and why.

-I'll be fair with Darkhawk, and I did note that cold or heat doesn't effect him. But, the Ice slows him down, and that does help Bloodaxe significantly in getting his hands on him. I believe their speed is probably about equal when it comes to being in The Raft. But, with ice, I really believe Bloodaxe has the advantage. (Plus, as I pointed out, many, many of Darkhawk's foes were able to grab him in all those comics I looked at. He's fast, but never shown to be so fast as an opponent couldn't grab him.)

-Now, Bloodaxe is a large man; but, The Raft is made to hold large men. In the appearances I remember him from, I don't see how The Raft is very cumbersome. He's not a giant, by any means. He was just a bit bigger than Thunderstrike.

-I've never said that Bloodaxe is irrational. As noted, he has normal intelligence, and some of his foes that realized electricity effects him were of the same intellect or less. (Tombstone is no genius.) All it says is that Bloodaxe is consumed by a "lust for combat, vengeance, and bloodshed" instead of using his rational for other things not involved with combat. If he's consumed by a lust for combat, one aspect of that doesn't mean he will not know about using various forms of combat.

-Yes, both can be knocked unconscious...but, I don't remember reading an instant where Darkhawk knocked a villian unconscious with his energy blast.

It seems I did underestimate his blasts (although something can be said for them increasing in power over time), but they can still be used to knock the axe from Bloodaxe's hand.

I'd give that more of a possibility than the grappling hook. Although, I'll still agree to disagree. I can't picture Darkhawk's energy blast knocking Thor's hammer from his hand; so, I can't picture it happening with Bloodaxe's axe. But, this will be up to the voters to decide.

Which, y'know, Bloodaxe won't think of, because he's not thinking rationally.

Again, his rationality being given up for his lust for combat means he's not thinking about people around him or should he be fighting. It doesn't mean he can't think about his fight. He bested Thor and Thunderstrike, and that takes a rationality of combat.

Fits of unrationality still hold up better than complete unrationality (which is what Bloodaxe's mental state is).

Again, it doesn't say that Bloodaxe is "completely irrational." He just focuses everything on the "lust for combat."

But the Raft isn't just a structure. It's the entirety of the island.

Again, I disagree; but, we have to wait for JH to get back to us about his decision.

You yourself said that Bloodaxe was completely unrational, focused only on violence and vengeance. That doesn't give him much mental fortitude.

I never said that...plus, you left out "lust for combat."

And Bloodaxe is in essence a great big beast. He's there for fighting, not thinking. It's what made me doubt how effective teleporting would be, if he doesn't think of it, but he can do it, so what the hey. I will admit that the teleportation thing is a bit of a hazard.

There is nothing to state he's a great big beast. He's thinking about combat. He is about the fight; all everything I represented reflects his lust for the fight.

He's going to get more than a few seconds though. The building's made up of 8 levels of cells. It's a big place. He has a minute to recuperate.

But, when he's injured, he moves pretty slow. The only reason he was able to survive on various occasions was because 1) someone like Tombstone wanted him to change and challenge him, or 2) that person came from behind to save him...won't happen in this match.

Okay, I will conceed that, since it seems Marvel did. I was misinformed on that (since nothing in the actual story indicates that it wasn't the 616 Earth).

I think everyone initially thought it was the 616. I know I did, and the only reason I discovered different was because I had read something about it at some time in the past. It's an understandable mistake.

He's still not as unrational as his foe.

If he's attacking his friends, I say he's pretty irrational. And, like I said, the voters should realize there are differences in irrationality and having the "lust for combat." It never says Bloodaxe is irrational; it just says he's overcome with the "lust for combat, vengeance and bloodlust" for rationality. To completely take that statement and then say he's an irrational beast is just....irrational.

We're going around in circles by now, and I think it's time we left it up to the voters. Great debate either way, Phaed.

Agreed. Go ahead and rebutt. If anything new is brought in that I feel I have to defend, I will. Otherwise, I'll just wait for JH's decision on the one matter. (Of course, I figure we'll disagree about rational/irrational in regards to this fight.)

Winner = Bloodaxe

 

[primemover]

Psylocke vs. Professor X - Rebuttal

It is not so silly given my position. X is a master tactician and the control room like any prison will have lockout procedures. It also has mechanisisms that use knockout gas and other such amenities. From the control center, he would be able to use everything made available which in turn gives him a fighting chance against someone who may be immune to his powers.

And Psylocke is no dunce and can be considered a master tactician too, after all she is an X-Man and has worked and trained for many many years with the best in the business, including Xavier. She would not walk into some simple trap, and could concoct her own, add to that her actual abilities she has over Xavier, she has quite more to work with.

On one note, it is mentionned she is immune because Rachel Grey could not telepathically communicate with her. Now X is at least a far better telepath then Rachel (who lost against Emma in a mental battle). There is the off chance he could use his powers, augmented by a portable cerebra, against her. And if he did break though the match would be over.

In the New Excalibur comics she is 'said' to be immune to telepathy in general, as told by Sage, and she IS completely blocked to the ShadowKing/Xavier combo as witnessed in the same comic later on. In this comic ShadowKing has taken over another universes Xavier and killed all the mutants, he brings his Dark X-Men to this universe and starts to wreak havok. He is captured and eventually put down by Psylocke herself. ShadowKing in the past has taken over other telepaths and enhanced his own power with theirs.

Here are some panels with the pertinent information:

Here ShadowKing/Xavier talks about Psylocke and how she is immune to him:

Here Sage talks about how this Xavier is much stronger than their Xavier:

Here Sage talks about Psylocks immunity to 'telepathy':

Winner: Psylocke

 

[Harlekin]

FINAL COMMENTS: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe

I'm not really going to rebut anything, just point the voters to this quote:

"In superhuman Bloodaxe form her rationality is overpowered by her lust for combat, vengeance, and bloodshed"

Intrepetation is left to the voters.

WINNER=DARKHAWK

 

[JewishHobbit]

Spiderman Vs Juggernaut

I think this is one of those matches where the location is going to pull the match to my side. The location is a big advantage because, not only has Spiderman been there, but he has full access to it through the New Avengers files. This is the place that actually pulled them together, so once Spidey realizes that he's facing Juggernaut in the Raft, he'll know to start reseraching. He's fought Juggernaut plenty of times, but usually with another team at his side, so he knows that he's going to have to improvise. I figure that he'll probably look through all the inmates that have been there and figure out how they were kept depowered and such. He's obviously inteligent and will be able to figure out how to launch any power inhibitors if needed. He'll know that several of the prisoners that have been there have had magical powers and they were inhibited, and he'll also know that some cells were designed for people with strength that challenge Juggernaut himself. That said, all he has to do is figure out how to make a cell Juggernaut proof, or just find one that could already work for juggernaut.

So when the match begins, Spidey will be all resourced. I have several ways that I can think of where Spidey can win this match. When it begins, he'll find the main control room of the Raft (he may even have a blueprint with him to help, or at least a print out. I dont' think this would be stretching since he's a New Avenger and the Raft is in their files). Also, I know he'd take time in the main computer room, but it's not exactly hard to hide from Juggernaut. First off, he has spidey sence, secondly, Juggernaut will just be destroying things. He can be heard. Also, Juggy won't know where the room is and wont' know where to go. It'd be a big coincidense if Juggy just happens to go to the control room first. So anyhow, the match begins and Spidey can do one of several things....

Scenerio 1: He can find a cell that held such people as Wrecker, Molecule Man, etc. that may be strong enough or able to dampen his magically given talents. He'll simply lead Juggy into that direction by taunting him, etc, and when Juggy is led into the cell Spidey will double back and seal the door. The cell should then be able to hold the Juggernaut (as that's what the prison is designed for) and he's then left stranded and incapacitated.

Scenerio 2: When he gets to the control room, and depending on how the controls are set up, he may be able to just manually adjust a cell to fit Juggernaut's qualifications. Then lead him to it and seal him in. Then he's stuck.

Scenerio 3: He can know about Juggernaut's mental weakness and will find a cell that was used to telepathically dull a person (if there are any, this one is a bit stretching). He'd lead Juggy toward this place. Sometime in that process he will fight and forcefully remove Juggy's helmut (everyone's done it, spidey shouln't have too much problem with it). He will lead Juggy into the cell and then double back and close the door. The telepathy will attack Juggy and he'll go down. (yes, stretching, but it was a random idea).

Scenerio 4: Simplist idea that may or may not work. Spidey does none of the above. These cells are laced in Adamantium... can Juggernaut break through Adamantium? He's never broken Wolverine's claws I know, but I don't know if he can get through a prison of the stuff. If Spidey knows what they're made of he can just find the cell that's designed to hold the strongest villain (if even that) and then lead Juggy into it, sealing it. Even without the power dampeners, if Juggy can't break through adamantium then he's stranded and incapacitated. Simple and boring, but maybe or maybe not effective. I'll leave that up to the voters.

So my theory over all is to simple trap Juggernaut in one of the prisons that can either 1) hold juggernaut naturally, 2) hold juggernaut since it held someone else like him, 3) hold Juggernaut due to Spidey's designing it like so, etc. I know anyone can use this idea in their matches, but here's why it's more likely in my scenerio than other scenerios. Spidey has full access of the Raft and the cells, the prisoners, how they work, etc. He's smart enough to know how they work and how to tweak them if necessary. He knows he's out of his league and that he'll have to be creative, so this is naturally a route he would take. And lastly, he's way more intelligent than Juggernaut, who simply isn't, and he can easily outsmart Juggernaut and find a way to trap him or lead him to wherever the heck he wishes. Also, Juggernaut's random attack patterns and Spidey's Spidey sense should help Spidey set everything up.

In this match, it's brains vs braun... and brains wins over every time.

Winner - Spiderman

 

[Phaedrus45]

JH's Ruling on Raft Location:

I think the match should be primarilly in the Raft, but it is an island and an island includes water around it and open sky. There shouldn't be any major air fight or deep sea battle or anything (as it's off location) but the general proximity of the island would be okay, I would think. Maybe 1/2 mile from the island (or less) in all proximities might be okay, as long as they remain in the close proximity of the Raft.

 

[Phaedrus45]

I made sure my comments were separate from the ruling. I rechecked the Darkhawk issues, and unless I missed something in the ones I didn't look at, I'm not too worried. Darkhawk seems to have to be in close proximity for his attacks to work. It's the only reason I can guess why his opponents are always able to be within arms length of him when someone, like Tombstone, wouldn't be able to reach him in the air. Even when he destroyed Ultron, he was within arm's reach.

Either way, the match will begin in The Raft. I'm still betting it will take place there; unless Darkhawk realizes he's in big trouble and needs to escape. Of course, neither character will know anything about the diagrams within The Raft; so, escape won't be that easy. (And, Bloodaxe isn't the type of character to ever think escape. That's where his "lust for combat" overtakes his rationality, I would guess.) If Darkhawk makes it outside, I see him saying "Hell with this, I'm outta here." He'll realize he's simply outmatched. For his attacks to work, he'll have to get in close, like with his other fights in the comics I read. (The only time I've seen him try something long range is in rescuing someone falling with his metal grappling hook.)

This should pretty much conclude what I have to say regarding this fight. I do believe it's very one-sided; but, Harlekin is an excellent debator and makes every match a challenge. It was a pleasure to spend my weekend debating this match and getting to know Darkhawk a little better.

Winner = Bloodaxe

 

[Harlekin]

FINAL... FINAL COMMENTS: Darkhawk vs Bloodaxe

I don't think we've ever had somebody flee or surrender in this tournament, and I don't see why Darkhawk would now. It's not an option any of us has actually ever entertained, so that'd be moot. And you were awesome too, Phaed.

WINNER=DARKHAWK

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Psylocke vs. Xavier

Yes you have proven your point that she is immune to telepathy.

So therefore my whole original strategy stands and he does not win the battle forthright. I leave it to voters to decide if it is in the realm of possibility.

I would just like to point out one thing which is not relevant to this combat, Sage says in 'key ways your abilities far surpass that of Xavier' which just means that maybe where combat is involved he is more powerful but not in other domains.