Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Gorgeous George vs Dr. Octopus

- Neither will find info on the other.
- Doc Ock won't be able to take one hit from George, as he's just a normal human.
- Gorgeous George can take numerous hits from Doc Ock thanks to his powers.
- Gorgeous George is one of the few people who can reach out to Doc Ock physically, again thanks to his powers.
- Considering George will recognize the X-Mansion as highly dangerous to him, he'll make sure to knock out Ock as soon as possible. While Ock will be trying to gain access to the X-Men's secrets, George sneaks up on him and knocks his ass out.

WINNER=GORGEOUS GEORGE

 

[JewishHobbit]

Doctor Octopus Vs Gorgeous George

Okay, the X-Mansion will have very little to help here with either character, as neither have ever been there. By George's last appearance he wouldn't even know what the X-Mansion was (being that his last appearance was back in '94)... just that it was a basic mansion. Doc Ock, however, is more modern and if he's like anyone in the world, he will know about M-Day and about how the Mansion has been opened for mutants and such. These days, Xavier's is fairly well known. Thus, while he has never been to the mansion, and would know nothing of it... he will at least have the knowledge that the X-Men are housed there, that their is something more to the mansion than just it being a mansion.... and as always, when it comes to Doc Ock... knowledge is power! That said, I figure Doc won't know George either, but one look at the guy can show that he doesn't have a normal physic. Now granted, he won't know what is differant, but he'll at least know to be cautious. And I'm going to assume that George would know Ock, as Ock is fairly high profile. Though George is from Australia... so he may not know. Either way, Ock isn't hard to figure out.

Doc is smart and he may be able to find a way to play with the mansion and find it's security systems... or break down into the elevator shaft and find the basements and find other things to use against George, but really that's up in the air. I'm sure he can find some way to use something to his advantage, and he has the intelligence to make that assumption with, but I think in the end end it'll come down to a "fist" fight. So let's play that out.

George is very malable, can change his shape and ooze into a puddle and such. The thing is (and correct me if I'm wrong) but I don't recall him actually expanding himself to great lengths, or throwing parts of himself... so while he is very malable, he's still going to have to get in there to fight... or at least within range of Doc's arms. Now if Spidey isn't fast enough to dodge Doc's arms (he does sometimes, but most times he gets caught, even with his spidey sense) then George isn't going to have a chance. The arms couldnt' hold him, and they'd probably just cut right through him instead of hitting him... but remember, there's 4 majorly fast arms at great lengths distance from Ock's body, and they are all gunning for George. I honestly don't see how George can get close enough to hurt Ock! He'd but cut into a million gooy pieces before he even gets there. Even if he was able to throw stuff or expand and recover after each hit... Ock can use one or two arms to block or redirect anything that is thrown at him, while assaulting with the other legs. Offensive and Defensive at one time. Not to mention that they are in a school with a LOT of furniture and such. Not only is George dodging and defending against the arms themselves, but while two arms are tearing into George, another arm is lifting and smashing him with a school desk and the other arm is finding a nice television to smash over his head. Or maybe he's beating George with two tenticals while using the other two tenticals to smash the floor about George, dropping him through the floor. Or push come to shove he can just colapse the room or building onto George whiel protecting himself with his arms or using their great lengths to get himself out of a window.... if you want to get extreme about it.

George isn't just facing a man with metal arms.... he's facing four majorly quick foes with the a cunning genious guiding them from a safe distance. I like George... but Ock's got the experience, the reach, the speed, and the intelligence to knock George aside like an annoying gnat.

Winner - Doctor Octopus

 

[JewishHobbit]

OPENING COMMENTS: Gorgeous George vs Dr. Octopus

- Neither will find info on the other.
- Doc Ock won't be able to take one hit from George, as he's just a normal human.

He's taken hits from Spidey just fine, and I do believe that Spidey's stronger than George. Ock isn't a frail old man... he's a threat here!

- Gorgeous George can take numerous hits from Doc Ock thanks to his powers.

Yeah, but hit after hit after hit after hit in a matter of seconds, repeated for every second or two it takes for George to get to Ock, added to the furniture, televisions, and ceilings, etc being dropped on him... it'll add up. And that's if Ock doesn't manuever himself away from George's attacks with two arms while still attacking with others. George can take a hit, but Ock can easily dish out way more than George can in a shorter amount of time, while dodging, blocking, and planning his next few attacks in advance. George is out of his league.

- Gorgeous George is one of the few people who can reach out to Doc Ock physically, again thanks to his powers.

Now I'm a little rusty on George and his bios only offer so much help (and I have no more comics with him in it to check) but I don't recall him being a distance attacker. I may be wrong, and correct me if I am, but he was more of an up close and personal attacker. Either way though, I don't see the match going any differant. If George tries to attack at a distance then Ock will, dodge, block ,or slice up the coming attack with his arms and move forward, taking the initiative. He can throw things, playing the distance deal himself, and probably things even more troublesom than George can. I don't see the distance deal being that much of a problem in this match.

- Considering George will recognize the X-Mansion as highly dangerous to him, he'll make sure to knock out Ock as soon as possible. While Ock will be trying to gain access to the X-Men's secrets, George sneaks up on him and knocks his ass out.

Ock isn't a novice and George isn't an expert stealth-man. He's been snuck up on before (by the sinister six, by spidey... much more of a stealth-man, etc) and it usually ends up with the sneaker either "up in arms," bloody, or just messed up. But either way, Ock will easily be able to defend himself. He'll be curious about the X-Mansion, but not enough to open himself to an assault. He's much too experienced and intelligent for that.

Winner - Doc Ock

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Gorgeous George vs Doc Ock

He's taken hits from Spidey just fine, and I do believe that Spidey's stronger than George. Ock isn't a frail old man... he's a threat here!

Uhm, nope. It's been stated multiple times that if Spidey didn't hold back, he'd knock most of his villains unconscious on the first blow, if not outright kill them. Beyond that, it's also been stated quite a few times he holds back against Ock because he's just a human. Ock is a rather overweight little man that has always had his intellect as an advantage against Spidey, because Spidey wouldn't go all out anyway. George has no such limits. He's not as strong as Spidey, but he's stronger than your average human.

Yeah, but hit after hit after hit after hit in a matter of seconds, repeated for every second or two it takes for George to get to Ock, added to the furniture, televisions, and ceilings, etc being dropped on him... it'll add up. And that's if Ock doesn't manuever himself away from George's attacks with two arms while still attacking with others. George can take a hit, but Ock can easily dish out way more than George can in a shorter amount of time, while dodging, blocking, and planning his next few attacks in advance. George is out of his league.

George doesn't even need to take every hit. Most of them can be dodged by using his very malleable skin, similar to how guys like Sandman avoid punches. This, together with the stretching capabilities, makes it possible for him to put Ock down on his ass.

Now I'm a little rusty on George and his bios only offer so much help (and I have no more comics with him in it to check) but I don't recall him being a distance attacker. I may be wrong, and correct me if I am, but he was more of an up close and personal attacker. Either way though, I don't see the match going any differant. If George tries to attack at a distance then Ock will, dodge, block ,or slice up the coming attack with his arms and move forward, taking the initiative. He can throw things, playing the distance deal himself, and probably things even more troublesom than George can. I don't see the distance deal being that much of a problem in this match.

He's not so much a distance attacker as that he can use his arms to attack from a distance. He's going to reach out to Ock to get as close as possible, knocking him out as he comes closer. Of course, he could also just put his hand in Ock's mouth and let him choke on it.

pquote]Ock isn't a novice and George isn't an expert stealth-man. He's been snuck up on before (by the sinister six, by spidey... much more of a stealth-man, etc) and it usually ends up with the sneaker either "up in arms," bloody, or just messed up. But either way, Ock will easily be able to defend himself. He'll be curious about the X-Mansion, but not enough to open himself to an assault. He's much too experienced and intelligent for that.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he'll expect George's ruthlessness and powers, giving George quite a edge. He can take more of a hit AND dish it out more as well.

WINNER=GORGEOUS GEORGE

 

[hippy fascist]

Banshee vs Unus the untouchable

At first this seems like a tricky match for banshee but in reality it will be quite easy.

Unus can cast shields to protect himself against physical projectiles, but that's not how banshee's power works. Soundwaves have no physical form therefore would be able to pass through his shields. All banshee has to do is let out a high pitched scream, this will deafen unus and as any doctor or biologist will tell you, balance and co-ordination are directly connected to hearing.

Now my opponent will no doubt say his shields can block this, but check out any of his appearances and you'll see that he can still hear people while he has his shields up. This is proof that sound waves can and will penetrate his shields. Once he's deafened and loses all sense of balance and co-ordination the fight will be over
On top of this he's a mutant so xavier will know all about him and his powers. The mansion is set up to defend against ANY enemy of the x-men, there are no doubt defences capable of bypassing his shields, but this is just the cherry on the cake. Unus will lose to banshee's superior power set.

WINNER: BANSHEE!

 

[wiegeabo]

Banshee vs Unus the untouchable

At first this seems like a tricky match for banshee but in reality it will be quite easy.

Unus can cast shields to protect himself against physical projectiles, but that's not how banshee's power works. Soundwaves have no physical form therefore would be able to pass through his shields. All banshee has to do is let out a high pitched scream, this will deafen unus and as any doctor or biologist will tell you, balance and co-ordination are directly connected to hearing.

Now my opponent will no doubt say his shields can block this, but check out any of his appearances and you'll see that he can still hear people while he has his shields up. This is proof that sound waves can and will penetrate his shields. Once he's deafened and loses all sense of balance and co-ordination the fight will be over
On top of this he's a mutant so xavier will know all about him and his powers. The mansion is set up to defend against ANY enemy of the x-men, there are no doubt defences capable of bypassing his shields, but this is just the cherry on the cake. Unus will lose to banshee's superior power set.

WINNER: BANSHEE!

Sound waves are just vibrations through the air (i.e. no air, no sound). So they do have a physical form. Unus can increase his forcefield to the point that he can keep the air from passing through it during Banshee's attacks.

Combine that with being able to reflect attacks back to their source, and not only is Unus invulnerable to Banshee, he can send back anything thrown at him.


Unus the Untouchable wins

 

[hippy fascist]

Unus The Untouchable vs Banshee

Location and prep-time obviously favor Banshee since this is the X-Mansion. But Unus can get info on Banshee, if he already hasn't fought him. And most of the advantaes the Mansion provides, like defense systems, are negated by Unus' forcefield that nothing can get through.

Debatable, as xavier be fully versed in his powers and will doubtless have some way of breaking through. Considering he worked out how to take down each and every x-man I have no doubt he has created defences against all their enemys but this is of no consequence as previously stated.

Even Banshee's powers will have little effect since Unus can protect himself from the concussive blasts and the screams (he can prevent the air from reaching him).

See my previous post, sound waves don't work like that. They'll easily penetrate his forcefield, and it ain't about injuring him, just deafening.

But Unus' greatest advantage is being able to deflect attacks. And automated defense blast at him he can send right at Banshee. And he can trun Banshee's attacks right back on him.

Which banshee will know so he'll only use defences capable of penetrating the shields. Again this is moot however since his powers will be more than enough to defeat unus

Unus has the power and experience to wear Banshee down and use his own attacks against him. It's a good fight, but one Unus will take.

No, he really won't. Sorry weig, but sean's got this one well and truly sown up


WINNER: BANSHEE!

 

[hippy fascist]

Sound waves are just vibrations through the air (i.e. no air, no sound). So they do have a physical form. Unus can increase his forcefield to the point that he can keep the air from passing through it during Banshee's attacks.

Combine that with being able to reflect attacks back to their source, and not only is Unus invulnerable to Banshee, he can send back anything thrown at him.


Unus the Untouchable wins

Which wouldresult in unus SUFFOCATING. Sorry, just not gonna work. Since his offensive capabilities are minimal and banshee can strike at a moment's notice, all he has to do is wait till unus has to come up for air, and it's game over

WINNNER: BANSHEE!

 

[wiegeabo]

See my previous post, sound waves don't work like that. They'll easily penetrate his forcefield, and it ain't about injuring him, just deafening.


Which banshee will know so he'll only use defences capable of penetrating the shields. Again this is moot however since his powers will be more than enough to defeat unus

Like I said in my rebuttal, sound waves are nothing more than vibrations of air molecules. Unus can protect himself from this.

As for energy attacks, Unus can also block those and even reflect them back to their souce (whether it be Banshee or mansion defenses).


Unus the Untouchable wins

 

[hippy fascist]

Like I said in my rebuttal, sound waves are nothing more than vibrations of air molecules. Unus can protect himself from this.

As for energy attacks, Unus can also block those and even reflect them back to their souce (whether it be Banshee or mansion defenses).


Unus the Untouchable wins

And like I said this will suffocate him, banshee can keep his distance for hours at a time, how long can unus hold his breath?

Also I never mentioned energy weapons

WINNER: BANSHEE!

 

[wiegeabo]

Which wouldresult in unus SUFFOCATING. Sorry, just not gonna work. Since his offensive capabilities are minimal and banshee can strike at a moment's notice, all he has to do is wait till unus has to come up for air, and it's game over

WINNNER: BANSHEE!

Who needs to breath first? A man holding his breath, or a man screaming at the top of his lungs. Once Sean needs to inhale, he's vulnerable to anything Unus uses against him (anything he uses as a weapon, or his well protected fists).

And, while Sean is screaming his attack, Unus just sends it right back at him. Sean will end up falling to his own powers.


Unus the Untouchable wins

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Banshee - (I might have given this to Unus...but, it's in a mansion that Banshee will know like the back of his hand; and, he'll have a ton of information on Unus within the files at Xavier's.)

*Damien Hellstrom - (Debate = Win)

*Scarlet Witch

*Georgeous George - (Not knowing his opponent will really hurt Doc. Oct.)

 

[Harlekin]

Banshee - I'm afraid the mansion is too big of an advantage in this match.
Damien Hellstrom
Guardian
Gorgeous George

 

[hippy fascist]

Banshee
Gorgeous george (with prep time otto could have taken it but without it...)
Damien Hellstrom
Scarlet Witch

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Banshee
Gorgeous george
Damien Hellstrom
Scarlet Witch

 

[wiegeabo]

Unus the Untouchable
Damien Hellstrom
Guardian (being able to attack from a distance, and his variety of abilities, gives Mac an edge)
Gorgeous George

 

[JewishHobbit]

Banshee
Gorgeous george (with prep time otto could have taken it but without it...)
Damien Hellstrom
Scarlet Witch

I'm not arguing by any means, so don't mind my asking... but what do you mean by "without preptime". Everyone has preptime? Just curious what you meant is all. Oh, and feel free not to answer, as no one is required to explain their reasonings for how they vote. I was just a little confused with the preptime mention.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Banshee
Doc Ock
Damien Hellstrom (yeah, I had no chance)
Scarlet Witch

 

[kytrigger]

Banshee-location tipped it in his favor
Gorgeous George-Even if it is hard for George to hit George, he can only keep that up for so long, and Geroge is smart enough to try different ways of attcking.
Scarlet Witch
Hellstrom

 

[hippy fascist]

I'm not arguing by any means, so don't mind my asking... but what do you mean by "without preptime". Everyone has preptime? Just curious what you meant is all. Oh, and feel free not to answer, as no one is required to explain their reasonings for how they vote. I was just a little confused with the preptime mention.

If he knew his opponent and the nature of his powers ock could create some kind of chemical to destabilise his molecular structure, or some kind of compound to harden him like rock. Hell he's a scientific genius, it'd be easy. However because he knows nothing about his opponent(and the name gives nowt away) his preptime is largely useless. Give ock a file on george and he could have won is what I was saying

 

[Zoken]

Banshee
Gorgeous george
Damien Hellstrom
Scarlet Witch

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Banshee defeats Unus the Untouchable 7-1
Damien Hellstrom defeats Adam X 8-0
Scarlet Witch defeats Guardian 6-2
Georgeous George defeats Doc Octopus 7-1

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 1,

Match 1:

Iron Man (PHAEDRUS45) bio

vs.

Jack Of Hearts (PHAEDRUS45) bio



Match 2:

Durok The Demolisher (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Gravitron (HARLEKIN) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 1:

Mastermind (DARTHPHERE) bio

vs.

Sunfire - Exiles (KYTRIGGER) bio



Match 2:

Black Panther (HARLEKIN) bio

vs.

Savage Hulk (AHURA MAZDA) bio