Contest of Marvels II Thread 2

[Ahura Mazda]

Carrion
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Gideon

 

[primemover]

Carrion
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Gideon

 

[Midnight Ice]

Wild Child
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Gideon

 

[Iceman]

Carrion
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Gideon

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Carrion beat Wildchild 14-1
Colossus beat Blade 14-1
Nightcrawler beat Jack O-Lantern 15-0
Gideon beat Union Jack 15-0

 

[Harlekin]

Blow-out city, baby! Maybe next time we can have a real debate Hellstormer.

 

[Hellstormer]

Blow-out city, baby! Maybe next time we can have a real debate Hellstormer.

Even battles are all I feel are honorable and I already proved myself against you in one.

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 3,

Match 25:

Black Tarantula (ZOKEN) bio

vs.

Carnage (DARKHELLRIDER) bio

Match 26:

Headsman (WOLVERINE25TH) bio

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vs.

Surge (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 4,

Match 25:

Chamber (KYTRIGGER) bio

vs.

Morg (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio

Match 26:

Riptide (POWDERMAN) bio

vs.

Elektra (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: Baxter Building

Located at 42nd Street and Madison Avenue in New York City, it had been built in 1949 by the Leland Baxter Paper Company. Originally designed as a high-rise industrial site to accommodate pulp recycling machinery to serve the mid-Manhattan area, each floor height is 24 feet.
The building's steel frame construction utilized the first application of "K bracing" in the world and is one of the strongest structures of its kind. The Baxter Building is located a few city blocks from the United Nations Building. Reed Richards has applied for many land-use zone variations to allow massive reconstruction of the top five floors for the installation of a heavily-silenced silo, with a muffled rocket.
The design of the headquarters of the Fantastic Four is along strictly utilitarian lines, except for apartments and public areas. All aspects of the design are constantly being improved, including security. For example, windows are 2 ft thick composites of various glasses and plastics which are mirrored on the outside. Solid, armored, exterior walls are also mirror-clad and are indistinguishable from transparent sections.
The top five sections of the Baxter Building are completely airtight; all doors are airlocks. Complete environmental support (including atmosphere) is provided by the area between elevators 2, 3, and 4 on all floors. The building's steel-alloy framework is rigid enough to be stood on one corner and not collapse (It was suggested that the Baxter Building did not collapse under its' own weight due to the use of tactile telekinesis by Gladiator of the Sh'iar Imperial Guard. Reed himself stated that even with the reinforced structure, it should not be possible otherwise).
The buffer-zone is the interface between the top five floors and the lower levels. It provides a rapid-disconnect between upper and lower segments of building. It contains an array of large oil-rams to dampen any oscillations between the five upper levels and the base of the building. The buffer-zone contains some support equipment for the upper levels, but mostly it is the "mechanical floor," which provides heating, ventilation, air-conditioning and elevator support equipment for the lower 30 stories.

(The matches will take place in the Baxter Building. But, if your characters are hindered by the location due to size or anything, I will allow the battle to be around or on top of the Baxter Building. Just let JH or me know if you think the location doesn't suit your character, and JH or I will determine if you can take the battle outside. Also, some characters might be prone to destroying the building; so, this match may have to resume outside if the building is destroyed...and, the participant(s) aren't killed in the process.)

 

[Zoken]

Black Tarantula Vs. Carnage

Good match, I would love to see this in comics. Black Tarantula is a skilled fighter and tactician and he is signifigantly stronger than Spider-Man so it is likely he could go hand to hand with Carnage, but why bother. there are plenty of toys in the Baxter building to test on Carnage. Since Carnage is well known due to his Maximum Carnage days his weaknesses are more than likely publicly known. Black Tarantula would lure Carnage into the upper part of the building, blow the damn thing setting it on fire, and then get into the lower part before the safety overrides cut the upper section off.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Surge Vs Headsman

Neither of these characters would know anything about the other. Neither are very experienced, and neither would have any resources or information about each other or the battlefield. In the end, it's just down to who can pull off the victory.

It's obvious that Headsman wins the strength challenge, but Surge has more going for her. Headsman has his super strength and his axe that discharged electricity. Surge channels electricity and can discharge it in bursts of speed... meaning she's a speedster. I think her powers will win this competition. Her speed can keep her away from Headsman's axe and his strength, and it can easily set her up for attacks. Headsman's axe discharges electricity (which should just feed Surge by the way) but no where in his bio does it say he's immune to it. Therefor, Surge should be able to just speed around the Baxter Building, find Headsman (whether flying or not) and keep out of his attacking range, and when she can get into place, let lose with the electricity. Headsman has strength, but he'll go down to electricity, even if it takes a short while (which I don't think it will). I think in the end Surge has more 'resources' as far as her powers are concerned that she can make work than Headsman. I think she could pull it off without too much trouble.

Winner - Surge

 

[JewishHobbit]

Also, I just realized that she absorbs electricity all around her, and she's in the freaking baxter building where electricity is everywhere. She'll have a nearly endless supply, so she won't deplete, if she even can, I'm not sure. Either way, it's not a factor here. She'll just keep powering up until it's too much, and she'll then let it all out on Headsman and he'll go down.

Winner - Surge

 

[kytrigger]

Chamber (KYTRIGGER) bio

vs.

Morg (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio

okay, this is a very tough match for Chamber, but still a very winnable one.

Let's get some facts straight right now though. This is not the version of Morg that took al lof teh Heralds to defeat. He is nowhere near that powerful now. Now, with that said, he is still very powerful. He is a Herald of Galactus and is known for incredible strength and can shoot concussive blasts, and has his axe.

So this is a fight between a herald of Galactus, and one of the most powerful mutants on earth. Morg wouldn't be able to get any info on Chamber for teh prep time, but it doesn't matter because he will attack the same way no matter what. Chamber on the other hand can get info. He has access to both Weapon-X files AND teh X-Men computer files, so he will no he is dealing with a powerful foe. Whiel he won't be able to create anythgin to stop Morg, he will know that he has to go all out, and won't have to worry about killing Morg since he quite durable.

Now, here's the kick in the match. Morg is very durable, but so is Chamber, in fact, there is no way for Morg to hurt Chamber. Chamber has a body, but it's technically not a body. what I mean is, the body is simply a shell. Chamber is actually pure psionic force inside that shell. The baody doesn't have organs or need to breathe or anythign like that. Morg could hurt that body, but not hurt Chamber. And seeing as how Morg has no way of actually hurting a being of pure psionic energy, he's in some trouble.

Now while Morg can't hurt Chamber, Chamber's blasts can still hurt Morg. Sure, Morg isn't going to go down easily, but Chamber's blasts are quite strong when he's not holding back, and eventually they would wear Morg down. Not to mention that Morg will have probanyl though he killed Chamber when he tears his body up, and will let his guard down, only for Chamber to reconstitute himself and blast Morg when he's not looking.

Another major factor is that they are in the Baxter Building. Morg will most likely be tearing through this building without a thought in the world, which would activate the security systems. Take these security attacks, and the attacks by Chamber, and eventually Morg would go down. it would be a damn tough fight, and one of endurance. Luckily for Chamber Morg can't hurt really hurt him though and eventually Chamber woudl take a victory from a very tough opponent.

Winner- Chamber

 

[DarkHellRider]

Black Tarantula Vs. Carnage

Good match, I would love to see this in comics. Black Tarantula is a skilled fighter and tactician and he is signifigantly stronger than Spider-Man so it is likely he could go hand to hand with Carnage, but why bother. there are plenty of toys in the Baxter building to test on Carnage. Since Carnage is well known due to his Maximum Carnage days his weaknesses are more than likely publicly known. Black Tarantula would lure Carnage into the upper part of the building, blow the damn thing setting it on fire, and then get into the lower part before the safety overrides cut the upper section off.

I nice match indeed but one that carnage could win indeed his powers are as followed.

Powers: Has a symbiote costume simalar to Venom, but seems to be more powerful, possibely due to it's incubation on Earth. Kasady's symbiote can, like Venom's, mimic any type of clothing, but unlike Venom, Carnage has not been seen useing the costume as camoflage. The symbiote has augmented all of Kasady's physical abilities to super-human levels apparently higher than that of Venom's.
Abilities: Carnage animates his costume to create snares, swing line, and most often bladed weapons. Carnage can hurl these "blades" from anywhere on his body. They disinetgrate after about thirty seconds after they are thrown. Carnage also posses wall-cralwing abilities similar to Venom's

Kasady is phycotic so he would not be afraid to go all out and kill BT. If BT tried to lock carnage in he could use the blades to cut out and go after BT again. to Really WIn this carnage would just have to keep using his blades on BT mostly aiming for his head so all in all carnage could would this match but it would be tough.

 

[Zoken]

I nice match indeed but one that carnage could win indeed his powers are as followed.

Powers: Has a symbiote costume simalar to Venom, but seems to be more powerful, possibely due to it's incubation on Earth. Kasady's symbiote can, like Venom's, mimic any type of clothing, but unlike Venom, Carnage has not been seen useing the costume as camoflage. The symbiote has augmented all of Kasady's physical abilities to super-human levels apparently higher than that of Venom's.
Abilities: Carnage animates his costume to create snares, swing line, and most often bladed weapons. Carnage can hurl these "blades" from anywhere on his body. They disinetgrate after about thirty seconds after they are thrown. Carnage also posses wall-cralwing abilities similar to Venom's

Kasady is phycotic so he would not be afraid to go all out and kill BT. If BT tried to lock carnage in he could use the blades to cut out and go after BT again. to Really WIn this carnage would just have to keep using his blades on BT mostly aiming for his head so all in all carnage could would this match but it would be tough.

You assessment assumes that BT is going to stand still? or that the Baxter building doors are paper thin? BT was signifigantly stronger than Spidey, meaning he was at least as strong as venom. okay, he isn't JUST as strong as Carnage, but he can still get good shots in. Black Tarantula is a bad guy meaning he won't pull punches, he won't hesitate to do what it takes to win. he is also intelligent and sane. he will be able to look around himself and find something to use on Cassidy. I assum the blast doors that seal the top section off are meant to contain some pretty big booms, meaning I don't think Carnage could claw through. he'd be trapped in a burning inferno... and Carnage-symbiot don't like heat.

 

[Iceman]

OPENING COMMENTS: MORG Vs CHAMBER

Powers

Chamber possessed a vast furnace of psionic energy in his chest and mouth. He was able to concentrate these energies as concussive blasts of energy or—when properly focused—dilated to the size and strength of a laser. Although these powers removed otherwise vital parts of his body, Chamber's powers have compensated for this loss: he possesses limited telepathic abilities which allow him to communicate, and has no need to eat or even breathe. On one occasion in Generation X Annual '97, Chamber blew up—and was able to reconstitute—his entire body by sheer force of will, including repairing his damaged body. However the results did not last as his powers were too much for his frame to contain. This has led to the suggestion that his physical form was actually simply a shell for pure psychic energy.

Morg was imbued with the Power Cosmic by Galactus, as he did with all his heralds. This allowed Morg to fly through space and granted him exponentially enhanced strength, stamina and durability. It also allowed him to fire blasts of powerful energy channeled through his axe. The mystical pool Morg submerged himself in boosted each of these abilities further, making him more powerful than any other single herald, perhaps even more so than the Silver Surfer.

Morg has experience of beating all of the most powerful Heralds together and some on more than one occasion. While his powers are not at the same level now, the big battle experience gained is superior to those of almost any other MU character. Morg could take on Chamber's complete historical gallery of small time foes together without breaking sweat.

At first glance there is little comparison in the powers department. Chamber’s psionic force does not compare with the power cosmic. Chamber has never used his powers on the scale that Morg does on a regular basis. There is no reason to suggest that Morg will not be able to absorb Chamber's energy blasts as he is used to taking energy blasts form the very biggest hitters in the MU. He may not be at the power level he was once at but having experienced what it is like being attacked by the Tyrant or all the heralds together, Chamber's full force will be a relative tickle to his side.

Morg can fly at speed through space and can therefore move a lot more quickly and effortlessly than Chamber. He also has the advantage of speed of mind. Fighting against all the heralds working as a team requires tactical brilliance whatever power level you are at.

Location
The Baxter building provides an even battlefield for the two. Morg is obviously capable of levelling the building and I have a suspicion that Chamber's powers at the max could also be sufficient to do this. The difference is that Morg will be in control of his power and will only bring the building down intentionally (if he chooses) and will be prepared to cope with the fallout while Chamber is going into unpredictable regions where he himself cannot predict the effects of his power.

Prep time
Morg will probably not know anything useful about Chamber and will not worry himself unduly. Chamber can possibly find out information on Morg but doing so will result in him crying uncontrollably and losing all confidence going into the fight. His fragile emotional state will not be able to cope when reading about Morg's exploits against the Tyrant and the Heralds etc. He’d be better of going in blind.

What we have is an indecisive emotional cripple who has a history of letting his personal problems consume his mind against the most ruthless herald of Galactus who is prepared to realise the full extent of his powers to achieve his objectives and is not worried about loss of life. Morg was chosen initially for the very qualities that give him such an edge:

Galactus searched for the most brutal, remorseless person he could find, and he found Morg; an executioner who had betrayed his own species by becoming the executioner for the species that had defeated them.

Conclusion
Chamber is simply not at a level where he is ready to challenge the likes of Morg.

WINNER = MORG

 

[Iceman]

REBUTTAL: MORG Vs CHAMBER

okay, this is a very tough match for Chamber, but still a very winnable one.

Let's get some facts straight right now though. This is not the version of Morg that took al lof teh Heralds to defeat. He is nowhere near that powerful now. Now, with that said, he is still very powerful. He is a Herald of Galactus and is known for incredible strength and can shoot concussive blasts, and has his axe.

Agreed.

That Morg could probably take on the last 16 of the tournament by himself.

So this is a fight between a herald of Galactus, and one of the most powerful mutants on earth. Morg wouldn't be able to get any info on Chamber for teh prep time, but it doesn't matter because he will attack the same way no matter what. Chamber on the other hand can get info. He has access to both Weapon-X files AND teh X-Men computer files, so he will no he is dealing with a powerful foe. Whiel he won't be able to create anythgin to stop Morg, he will know that he has to go all out, and won't have to worry about killing Morg since he quite durable.

Agreed on Chamber being able to obtain information and Morg not being able to.

How often has Chamber actually gone all out with his power though? Who's to say that he can handle the power levels necessary to defeat Morg (if this was even possible). Morg on the other hand has gone way past the extent of his natural powers through the enchancement of the mystical pool so is fully capable of handling the full extent of his current power level (which has still proven to be suffficient to defeat various Heralds of Galactus). Chamber does not have sufficient control of his powers at the top end (and even then there is no reason to conclude that these would be enough to defeat Morg) to beat a super durable Herald of Galactus while keeping himself safe.

Now, here's the kick in the match. Morg is very durable, but so is Chamber, in fact, there is no way for Morg to hurt Chamber. Chamber has a body, but it's technically not a body. what I mean is, the body is simply a shell. Chamber is actually pure psionic force inside that shell. The baody doesn't have organs or need to breathe or anythign like that. Morg could hurt that body, but not hurt Chamber. And seeing as how Morg has no way of actually hurting a being of pure psionic energy, he's in some trouble.

This is not Chamber's physical natural state so I can't see how this could constitute a win (even then he would have to find a way to beat Morg) any more than a character who dies, exists as a soul and is revived by Dr Strange or Galactus in a newly built body at some point in the future. We would have a happy ending, but not a victory in a tournament.

Now while Morg can't hurt Chamber, Chamber's blasts can still hurt Morg. Sure, Morg isn't going to go down easily, but Chamber's blasts are quite strong when he's not holding back, and eventually they would wear Morg down. Not to mention that Morg will have probanyl though he killed Chamber when he tears his body up, and will let his guard down, only for Chamber to reconstitute himself and blast Morg when he's not looking.

I don't think there is any reason to think that Chamber's powers are at this level otherwise he would be called up to help in cosmic battles rather than taking on lower tier X-Men villains with the help of a trained team. In fact he struggles to even justify a place on a regular frontline X-Men team.

Morg can and has on many occasions taken blasts from the strongest MU characters. If Chamber can replicate years of blasts from all of these uber characters and concentrate them into the length of this battle then he would have a chance. The other factor is that even all those blasts were never actually enough to "wear Morg down".

Another major factor is that they are in the Baxter Building. Morg will most likely be tearing through this building without a thought in the world, which would activate the security systems. Take these security attacks, and the attacks by Chamber, and eventually Morg would go down. it would be a damn tough fight, and one of endurance. Luckily for Chamber Morg can't hurt really hurt him though and eventually Chamber woudl take a victory from a very tough opponent.

If we have a fight where endurance is key, there can be only one winner.

Also, as soon as Chamber uses his psionic blasts the security systems will also target him. If he seriously intends to wait until the far faster Morg is in eyeline, he is completely giving up the initiative and will have lost before any security systems can step in to save him.

WINNER= MORG

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttal

OPENING COMMENTS: MORG Vs CHAMBER

At first glance there is little comparison in the powers department. Chamber’s psionic force does not compare with the power cosmic. Chamber has never used his powers on the scale that Morg does on a regular basis. There is no reason to suggest that Morg will not be able to absorb Chamber's energy blasts as he is used to taking energy blasts form the very biggest hitters in the MU. He may not be at the power level he was once at but having experienced what it is like being attacked by the Tyrant or all the heralds together, Chamber's full force will be a relative tickle to his side.

Not necessarily. YEs Morg is above most mutants since he is a cosmic character, but not all mutants. The most powerful mutants could put up a very good fight against Morg. Emplate himself (who's powers are that he can sense the aura and power of all mutants) said that he had never encountered an aura as powerful as Chamber's, and he's seen quite a few auras in his time. Also, the energy that Chamber shoots is psionic. Morg can absorb some nergies, but he is nowhere near as good with energy manipulation and absorbtion as Surfer or anything and (to my knowledge) has never been shown to be able to absorb psionic energy. If anything, Morg's least developed attack/defense is his mind.

Morg can fly at speed through space and can therefore move a lot more quickly and effortlessly than Chamber. He also has the advantage of speed of mind. Fighting against all the heralds working as a team requires tactical brilliance whatever power level you are at.

Morg's speed would be hindered by the building. I agree that he would be faster than Chamber, but not by that much. ALso, I wuld disagree on teh tactical speed and brilliance part. Morg goes into most battles thinking he is invincible. He fights head on, which isn't in any way tactically sound, but he gets away with it because of his strength. Unfortunately for him, his strength is greatly downplayed in this battle. Chamber on the other hand is a member of the X-Men and therefore has trained with some of the best tacticians in all of Marvel. I would say that tactically speaking, Chamber beats Morg.

Location

The Baxter building provides an even battlefield for the two. Morg is obviously capable of levelling the building and I have a suspicion that Chamber's powers at the max could also be sufficient to do this. The difference is that Morg will be in control of his power and will only bring the building down intentionally (if he chooses) and will be prepared to cope with the fallout while Chamber is going into unpredictable regions where he himself cannot predict the effects of his power.

I personally don't see morg trying to bring the building down, but I also don't see him really carting about opening allteh doors either. He will do some damage to the building, which will activate the security system, somethign nobody, even Morg, wants on him. On teh other hand, Chamber will know to expect security in the building and will be careful. Only when he has to let loose and really use his powers to their fullest willl he harm the building, and like you said, that will bring the building down so he won't have to worry about the security.

Prep time

Morg will probably not know anything useful about Chamber and will not worry himself unduly. Chamber can possibly find out information on Morg but doing so will result in him crying uncontrollably and losing all confidence going into the fight. His fragile emotional state will not be able to cope when reading about Morg's exploits against the Tyrant and the Heralds etc. He’d be better of going in blind.

Hey, a good cry is cleansing. t:
But seriously, Chamber will be overwhelmed at first by his exploits. Then he will read them again, and see that all those great feats against Tyrant that you mentioned, Morg got his ass kicked royally. he will see that while Morg is strong, he isn't invincible. He will know that Morg will kill him without an afterthought, and this will help Chamber come to terms with teh fact that he must go all out to defeat this beast.

What we have is an indecisive emotional cripple who has a history of letting his personal problems consume his mind against the most ruthless herald of Galactus who is prepared to realise the full extent of his powers to achieve his objectives and is not worried about loss of life. Morg was chosen initially for the very qualities that give him such an edge:

I fully admit that HCcmber had his problems in the past. But if there is one thing that can snap someone out of a funk, it is teh prospect ofdeath. Chamber has had problems because he felt that those problems were the biggest threat in his life, that not getting any was the worst thing that could happen to him. He knows now that isn't the case. If he was still so mentally fragile, then he wouldn't have been chosen to go undercover in weapon X.

Morg has the obvious power advantage, that much is obvious. But Chamber knows this, and knows he is dead if he doesn't stop morg, whereas Morg could care less about any of this. Chamber will go all out and shock Morg (and probably himself too) with his power level.

Winner- Chamber

 

[kytrigger]

rebuttal

REBUTTAL: MORG Vs CHAMBER

Agreed.

That Morg could probably take on the last 16 of the tournament by himself.

He'd defaintely be tough to beat (but my Photon would take him )

How often has Chamber actually gone all out with his power though? Who's to say that he can handle the power levels necessary to defeat Morg (if this was even possible). Morg on the other hand has gone way past the extent of his natural powers through the enchancement of the mystical pool so is fully capable of handling the full extent of his current power level (which has still proven to be suffficient to defeat various Heralds of Galactus). Chamber does not have sufficient control of his powers at the top end (and even then there is no reason to conclude that these would be enough to defeat Morg) to beat a super durable Herald of Galactus while keeping himself safe.

True, we have not seen the extent of his full powers yet. I will admit to that, but that also doesn't mean that they can't defeat Morg. While his full powers haven't been seen, he has still been alluded to several times as one of the most powerful mutants ever. (I guess it's pretty much up to the voter's to decide if his power levels would be strong enough or not)

This is not Chamber's physical natural state so I can't see how this could constitute a win (even then he would have to find a way to beat Morg) any more than a character who dies, exists as a soul and is revived by Dr Strange or Galactus in a newly built body at some point in the future. We would have a happy ending, but not a victory in a tournament.

I never meant to say that it would be a victory. All I meant was htat, Morg will think it is a victory, when it is not, his defenses will be down and he will be more vulnerable. Morg would obviously come at him again, but he still has no way of hurting Chamber since his body is not really a part of him. (hey, just be lucky I'm not tryin to weasel a win by saying that his body would be lying there, so Morg would thnk he won and leave the building and lose via a ring out)

I don't think there is any reason to think that Chamber's powers are at this level otherwise he would be called up to help in cosmic battles rather than taking on lower tier X-Men villains with the help of a trained team. In fact he struggles to even justify a place on a regular frontline X-Men team.

And that is because he has never had to use his powers to their limit. Think about the times you see someone showing their full potential, it's when they need it the most. Whether it's a subconscious thing or whatever, that is generally when they unleash the power. And while we haven't seen his power at his full level, he has been said to be one of the strongest mutants ever which, gauging by who the strongest mutants are, is pretty damn powerful.

Morg can and has on many occasions taken blasts from the strongest MU characters. If Chamber can replicate years of blasts from all of these uber characters and concentrate them into the length of this battle then he would have a chance. The other factor is that even all those blasts were never actually enough to "wear Morg down".

He has taken physical blasts. Morg is definately strong enough in that department, but Chamber's blasts are psionic. Even the strongest physical characters can have major problems with psionic blasts, it's their proverbial achilles heel.

If we have a fight where endurance is key, there can be only one winner.

Chamber?

Also, as soon as Chamber uses his psionic blasts the security systems will also target him. If he seriously intends to wait until the far faster Morg is in eyeline, he is completely giving up the initiative and will have lost before any security systems can step in to save him.

Chamber will know there is security systems all over the place, he won't damage the building until he fully unleashes his power, which eve you said would destroy the building, so the security won't be a problem for Chamber.

Winner- Chamber

 

[Iceman]

REBUTTAL: MORG Vs CHAMBER

rebuttal He'd defaintely be tough to beat (but my Photon would take him )

True, we have not seen the extent of his full powers yet. I will admit to that, but that also doesn't mean that they can't defeat Morg. While his full powers haven't been seen, he has still been alluded to several times as one of the most powerful mutants ever. (I guess it's pretty much up to the voter's to decide if his power levels would be strong enough or not)

It's all speculation on both sides so I suppose we have no choice. Do we trust the voters though? t:

I never meant to say that it would be a victory. All I meant was htat, Morg will think it is a victory, when it is not, his defenses will be down and he will be more vulnerable. Morg would obviously come at him again, but he still has no way of hurting Chamber since his body is not really a part of him. (hey, just be lucky I'm not tryin to weasel a win by saying that his body would be lying there, so Morg would thnk he won and leave the building and lose via a ring out)

This whole strategy does have the distinctive aura of weasel about it. t: So if Chamber wins this fight he's just a bag of energy floating in the wind (minus the bag)? Given his girl problems I think he'd rather die voluntarily. His body is going to be blown away without trace by the cosmic power from Morg's axe and he's never fought as this 'bag of energy' in the past so he won't have a clue what the hell's going on. Even if he can exist in this form he still has to find a way to defeat one of Galactus' toughest heralds (despite having zero experience of attacking while in this state) and who knows if he's still vulnerable to the power cosmic while in this form.

Regardless I've got admit your ring out strategy is brilliant. t: It's the only method under which I could ever accept defeat here. You should get some bonus points for best strategy from a losing character.

And that is because he has never had to use his powers to their limit. Think about the times you see someone showing their full potential, it's when they need it the most. Whether it's a subconscious thing or whatever, that is generally when they unleash the power. And while we haven't seen his power at his full level, he has been said to be one of the strongest mutants ever which, gauging by who the strongest mutants are, is pretty damn powerful.

My point is that if you go to the fullest extent of your power in an unsafe untried environment for the very first time against one as experienced as Morg you are taking an incalculably huge risk and the results are going to be completely unpredictable. Morg can go straight to the max of his power as he has been way past that level many times in the past so he will be in control even when he is weilding that level of power. Chamber will have no control and will therefore struggle to avoid things such as putting himself at risk from the sudden power surge, misdirecting his energy blasts, burning himself out, and obviously forgoing defence completely while attempting the feat. He also has to somehow do this with Morg in eyeline before Morg can attack him.

He has taken physical blasts. Morg is definately strong enough in that department, but Chamber's blasts are psionic. Even the strongest physical characters can have major problems with psionic blasts, it's their proverbial achilles heel.

Chamber has almost no resistance to Morg's attacks while Morg has a certain amount of resistance (as all heralds do) to Chamber's (the voters can decide on how much). Remember Chamber's attack has to be sufficient to finish Morg in that one go while making sure that he himself is not incapicated, surely something that would require a lot of training at that power level. Also don't confuse psionic energy with a straight telepathic attack. Psionic energy originates from the mind but it is still energy (in a similar way that telekinetics use the power of the mind to achieve physical results) that can be deflected by those who are adept at this.

Chamber?

Close. Try again.

Chamber will know there is security systems all over the place, he won't damage the building until he fully unleashes his power, which eve you said would destroy the building, so the security won't be a problem for Chamber.

He either uses his full power at the very start of the battle (very unlikely given that he will not even know which direction Morg is in) or the far faster Morg (as conceded) will inevitably get the first shot in and wipe him out before he can act.

WINNER = MORG

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttal

REBUTTAL: MORG Vs CHAMBERIt's all speculation on both sides so I suppose we have no choice. Do we trust the voters though? t:

I don't like it one bit either, but I'm afraid we must (vote Chamber)

This whole strategy does have the distinctive aura of weasel about it. t: So if Chamber wins this fight he's just a bag of energy floating in the wind (minus the bag)? Given his girl problems I think he'd rather die voluntarily. His body is going to be blown away without trace by the cosmic power from Morg's axe and he's never fought as this 'bag of energy' in the past so he won't have a clue what the hell's going on. Even if he can exist in this form he still has to find a way to defeat one of Galactus' toughest heralds (despite having zero experience of attacking while in this state) and who knows if he's still vulnerable to the power cosmic while in this form.

Actually, I always thought that Morg is more fond of chopping and slicing with his axe. I can't blame the guy either since he has been drained of his power through energy a number of times. But like we both have said, Morg loves to kill. Why would he simply blow away the competitor, whne he could have much more fun cutting off limbs? And when he cuts off those limbs, Chamber can just reconstitute himself as he has done in the past. (vote Chamber)

Regardless I've got admit your ring out strategy is brilliant. t: It's the only method under which I could ever accept defeat here. You should get some bonus points for best strategy from a losing character.

Yeah, I actually thought about using it for the sheer novelty of it. I mean, it might seem low, but it's not like I'm going to go any lower and resort to anything like subliminal messaging (vote Chamber)

My point is that if you go to the fullest extent of your power in an unsafe untried environment for the very first time against one as experienced as Morg you are taking an incalculably huge risk and the results are going to be completely unpredictable. Morg can go straight to the max of his power as he has been way past that level many times in the past so he will be in control even when he is weilding that level of power. Chamber will have no control and will therefore struggle to avoid things such as putting himself at risk from the sudden power surge, misdirecting his energy blasts, burning himself out, and obviously forgoing defence completely while attempting the feat. He also has to somehow do this with Morg in eyeline before Morg can attack him.

I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that Chamber won't really be worried about the consequences. He'll know form the info on Morg that if he doesn't win he'll be dead, so the best thing that can happen from going into an unknown territory with his powers is that he beats Morg and lives. The worst thing is that Morg lives and he dies, which is going to happen anyway if he doesn't take that next step. Chamber might suck with the ladies, but he's still a fighter and a survivor. He'll take that next step (or ten steps) in power and do all he can to win. vote chamber)

He either uses his full power at the very start of the battle (very unlikely given that he will not even know which direction Morg is in) or the far faster Morg (as conceded) will inevitably get the first shot in and wipe him out before he can act.

I still think Morg is highly more likely to come in for the close kill, but the way he attacks is up to the voter's to decide. (vote Chamber)


In conclusion, I would like to point out one glaring fact about Morg. He's ugly. He's actually uglier than Chamber, which is sayign something considering the guy doesn't have a lower jaw and a hole in his torso. Noble voters: Do you really want to vote for someone as ugly as Morg? I ask you to vote for Chamber, the lesser of two uglies.

Winner- Chamber



(vote chamber)

 

[hippy fascist]

Elektra Vs Riptide




Man did I luck out on the location with this one.

ok powers first

Elektra has demonstrated on occassion the ability to mesmerize others, and as such make them see illusions or other phenomena.
Elektra's strangest (and perhaps most obscure) gift is her ability to "throw" her mind into that of others. She was able to track down enemy, Ken Wind, by temporarily "borrowing" people's minds and acting through them while she hunted around for her prey. This temporal mind control enables her to literally sniff out the psyche, or intent, of her targets. It saw extensive use during Elektra: Assassin, back when she was heavily reliant on her good old ninja powers. It's unknown how long the effect lasts, but Elektra has gone a full two days or more in someone else's mind -- while they zoned out in hers.
Elektra has occasionally demonstrated low-level telekinesis, though it is possible that this may be just illusion which victims of her mesmerism are led to see. She can communicate telepathically with indiviuals possessing similar levels of mental discipline, such as the Chaste.
It is unclear what the limitations on her psychic ability are. She may be limited by touching distance or to minds easily affected by persuasion. However, the last time Elektra tried this trick, it was with S.H.I.E.L.D.'s finest. Elektra was not born with this interesting gift -- she mastered it through training and refinement with The Hand. (Or they screwed up her mind beyond earthly recognition with drugs and magic. You decide.) Their fighters share similar powers, which means each of them -- including Elektra -- are mentally linked to The Beast, the relentless demigod of The Hand who has haunted her since she broke rank.
Nick Fury can attest to the usage of this eerie mind control in person. In the 90's, he conducted scientific experiments on the captured assassin and found strange morphology in her brain that explained her phenomenal reflexes, yet sane rationale. Elektra moves with heightened primal instincts but the more evolved parts of her brain remain intact, preserving her intelligence. In other words, she thinks like a woman and strikes like a cobra.
This "mind jump" ability might explain why Elektra is always a step ahead of her competition, or seems to know where her target is at all times. An extreme example would be the time she murdered an ambassador in South America. The man was sitting against the wall when Elektra sought out his mind and trusted her katana to enter his heart in the perfect spot. Unerringly, it did: the sword pierced through thick walling and the politician was slain where he sat. The unusual addition of her telepathic skills makes Elektra an omnipresent assassin, to say the least.

So now we know her abilties lets get to the fight:

The baxter buildings security is a plus as elektra is used to breaking into some of the most secure buildings in the world in her role as an assasin. She's trained to stay invisible in these situations and her reflexes would help her to avoid any traps etc.

She'd have no problem finding riptide and could stay one step of the game due to her mild telepathy. She could possibly even take control of him and run him into one of the traps.

In terms of actual combat she could easily dodge any of his attacks while making her way in for the kill.

This should be an easy win for elektra and with all her contacts she's going to go in with full knowledge of riptide, he on the other hand will know nothing of her. Everything about this match seems to go in elektra's favour so I can't see any way she'd lose

WINNER: ELEKTRA!


(Now how the hell is she gonna beat morg/chamber... )

 

[Iceman]

Rebuttal I don't like it one bit either, but I'm afraid we must (vote Chamber)

Actually, I always thought that Morg is more fond of chopping and slicing with his axe. I can't blame the guy either since he has been drained of his power through energy a number of times. But like we both have said, Morg loves to kill. Why would he simply blow away the competitor, whne he could have much more fun cutting off limbs? And when he cuts off those limbs, Chamber can just reconstitute himself as he has done in the past. (vote Chamber)

He can always save the chopping for after the guy has been blown away. (vote chamorgber)

Yeah, I actually thought about using it for the sheer novelty of it. I mean, it might seem low, but it's not like I'm going to go any lower and resort to anything like subliminal messaging (vote Chamber)

I've not awarded any of my opponents a yet but your ringout strategy was fully deserving on this occasion. (vote chamorgber)

I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that Chamber won't really be worried about the consequences. He'll know form the info on Morg that if he doesn't win he'll be dead, so the best thing that can happen from going into an unknown territory with his powers is that he beats Morg and lives. The worst thing is that Morg lives and he dies, which is going to happen anyway if he doesn't take that next step. Chamber might suck with the ladies, but he's still a fighter and a survivor. He'll take that next step (or ten steps) in power and do all he can to win. vote chamber)

If he decides to go for it at the very beginning, he doesn't even know what direction Morg is in from him, so he won't know which direction to focus his powers. It's unlikely that this severely diluted force will be enough to defeat Morg who will also be shielded by however many walls and floors (and the security defences of the building) are in the way. I think he'll be forced to wait for Morg to appear and given the vast speed advantage, Morg will get the first strike in and wipe him out. (vote chamorgber)

I still think Morg is highly more likely to come in for the close kill, but the way he attacks is up to the voter's to decide. (vote Chamber)

Lets leave it to the voters. (vote chamorgber)

In conclusion, I would like to point out one glaring fact about Morg. He's ugly. He's actually uglier than Chamber, which is sayign something considering the guy doesn't have a lower jaw and a hole in his torso. Noble voters: Do you really want to vote for someone as ugly as Morg? I ask you to vote for Chamber, the lesser of two uglies.

Morg admittedly could benefit from a makeover but Chamber is emo which is even worse.



Anyways yet another enjoyable debate with you ky

WINNER = MORG


(vote chamorgber)

 

[Iceman]

REBUITTAL: MORG Vs CHAMBER

Forgot to reply to this one (I'll only respond to the bits that aren't at least partially covered in other previous posts):

Morg's speed would be hindered by the building. I agree that he would be faster than Chamber, but not by that much. ALso, I wuld disagree on teh tactical speed and brilliance part. Morg goes into most battles thinking he is invincible. He fights head on, which isn't in any way tactically sound, but he gets away with it because of his strength. Unfortunately for him, his strength is greatly downplayed in this battle. Chamber on the other hand is a member of the X-Men and therefore has trained with some of the best tacticians in all of Marvel. I would say that tactically speaking, Chamber beats Morg.

His speed would be hindered for sure but he's still as fast as a being can be within the confines of the building and Chamber has no speed enhancement. I disagree that strength is enough by itself to beat all the heralds. Whenever you are facing up alone against a large number of worthy foes working as a team you need a good level of strategic awareness (even if the writers downplay this in Morg's case) or the team of weaker indidvduals will beat you (see years of X-Men / Avengers history). Chamber has had tactical training but this is all team based rather than individual. He is not quite as well trained from a tactical pont of view in taking on opponents by himself while Morg has always preferred to work alone.

Hey, a good cry is cleansing. t:

In that case you'll be feeling thoroughly cleansed after this match is over.

But seriously, Chamber will be overwhelmed at first by his exploits. Then he will read them again, and see that all those great feats against Tyrant that you mentioned, Morg got his ass kicked royally. he will see that while Morg is strong, he isn't invincible. He will know that Morg will kill him without an afterthought, and this will help Chamber come to terms with teh fact that he must go all out to defeat this beast.

He got his ass kicked against Tyrant but he beat the Heralds (on more than one occasion). Chamber can wipe away his tears in the knowledge that if the Tyrant can beat Morg then all he has to do is match the power levels of the Tyrant to get the victory.

WINNER = MORG