REBUTTAL: Mr. Hyde vs Fenris
No but it does situate the character better. He was in the low end of the Thor and Hulk foes and on the high end of Spiderman and Daredevil foes. A foe does not always mean you can challenge him.
Uhm, it kinda does, otherwise, the character serves no point.
Actually, against the savage Hulk he could not even harm him and was helpless in battling him. He did not pose any challenge to him.
Like when he was turned into Death and almost killed him?
Yes, but Doom loses to Reed who is supposedly the most intelligent in the world so really he goes up against smarter then him. Daredevil is certainly not in that category and Spiderman is atleast a level underneath. The type of intelligence needed to create a method to destroy a creature who is meant to battle Odin, which Hyde would know of as the all powerful father of Thor is beyond anything Hyde can come up with it and in all probability needs magic.
Doom has lost to more people than just Reed Richards, y'know. Besides that, Hyde doesn't have to destroy the Fenris wolf, he just needs to knock it out for a while.
No it was not the King Thor of the reigning but Thor was in the upper levels of his power. And BRB is very powerful in himself as Hippy likes to say. And the whole battle between him and BRB was summed up in 2 panels spaced a couple pages apart. So we have no idea how it happenned really. It was not too unlike the King Thor against Hulk and Thing battle during the Reigning.
Oh, Beta Ray is definitely powerful. Still killed Fenris either way.
Also lets agree that BRB is way more powerful then Hyde.
Way more? More, definitely. Way more? No.
There is no certainty. Rune Thor all of a sudden says look and we see Fenris eating the Sun.
Exactly, there was nothing to indicate this to be anything other than Fenris simply fulfilling his role in Ragnarok.
And these are Fenris' powers:
Powers
Shapechanging: Fenris can change his shape to appear as virtually any type of creature, man or even god with Monstrous ability.
Size Alteration: Fenris is usually at Monstrous growth (+3CS to be hit) but can reduce his size to that of a normal wolf.
Body Resistance: Fenris posssesses Incredible resistance to injury.
Strength: class 100
Pulled from an RPG site. Hardly a good gauge of Fenris' abilities. From marvunapp however:
The Fenris Wolf can assume the form of either a immensely strong and virtually invulnerable large wolf, or that of a comparably strong wolf-like humanoid. It possesses powerful teeth and claws. The Fenris Wolf was briefly armed with a tooth-shaped uru hammer forged for it by Surtur.
Yes he has had a few appearances but in his last one he was a montrous wolf that ate the Sun. He did it for better or worse.
But it's obviously not something he does every day, and obviously isn't capable of doing every day.
The only thing was each time Fenris appeared he grew in power so that kick was almost irrelevant. The shield thing was stupid anyway and I mean that objectively, but it did happen to the weaker form of Fenris.
Hardly irrelevant. It shows Fenris' power levels just before being killed, the form that we can most properly gauge his power with, considering his only appearance afterwards was a single panel of him eating the sun as part of his predestined role.
I do not see how security would have been disabled in Muir Island. In previous battles such as the one on the Blue side of the Moon everyone had to be careful not to bring Blackbolt into the battle so why would Muir island be empty this time?
A) Then Fenris would get security on him as well.
B) Locations are always empty unless specified.
It is not like Fenrir will just open wide and say please give mea tranquiliser powerful enough to allow me to sleep.......an Asgardian monster is not going to be affected by a tranquiliswer meant for a human.
Which is why Hyde needs to make a tranquilizer that can take down something stronger than a human. Besides that, Hyde has the ability of making other devices to aid in his victory (I already noted his being able to create a Time Reversal Ray). He can use his chemicals to hit Fenris in the eyes (always a weak spot) and blind him.
Hyde's prep time does not start with him on Muir Island and he has no magical transport to take him there. So realistically, you are suggesting that during prep time he takes a flight to Muir Island, is allowed free access and is then able to plant a bomb powerful enough to harm Fenris and yet leave him unscathed. Seems incongruous to me. That is not going to happen.
I'm not suggesting
that at all. I'm suggesting he creates a bomb in prep-time, plants it during the fight and jumps into the water while the Muir Isle building crashes onto Fenris. Again though,
not his main strategy.
Invulnerable generally means that you are not aorried about getting your coat singed.
I sincerely doubt Fenris, a person/wolf covered in fur, would be unaffected by fire.
We see him in his wolf form on the last pages of Thor comic vol 2 85 swallowing the Sun. Plus in his early appearances he was in his gigantic wolf form.
And how exactly is he going to move on Muir Isle in this gigantic form?
We did not see how he was resurected just that he was so maybe he regenrated himself. We simply do not know. And 62.5% means that 37.5% he was in wolf form which is overa third of his appearances. This is significant.
I think it's a lot more significant that he was in his human form for just under two-thirds of the time. I also think it's safer to assume Fenris was resurrected by the magic involved in Ragnarok, rather than by his own doing. This is up to the voters however.
Also, some new info:
Fenris apparently didn't even appear in Thor #277, just #278, in which he did absolutely no fighting. Journey into Mystery was actually a recounting of Fenris' "origin", so to say, so one can
actually say that for 100% of his actual appearances, Fenris was in humanoid form.
He won the war when he swallowed Asgard. previously he had been under the control of Loki which is why he staid in Human form. Once Loki was taken out of the picture by Rune Thor, Fenris swallowed Asgard.
Misrepresentation of the facts. Once Rune Thor initiated Ragnarok, Fenris swallowed Asgard, as he was meant to do. I do not believe it to be an accurate basis for Fenris' power.
37.5% of the time Fenris was in Wolf for or I could say 100% of the time he was not under Loki's control he was in Wolf form. So I can easily assume that given there is no Loki in this battle that he does it in his gigantic wolf form.
In which he can hardly move around in the crowded space of Muir Isle and is even more subject to Hyde's hit and run tactics.
The battle against BRB was won because fo Stormbreaker and was not as a result of a fist fight. And Fenris grew more powerful by the time he faced BRB relative to when he faced Thor, Captain America and Iron Man.
I've read nothing to indicate his power increased.
And CA did not exactly knock Fenris down with his kick either.
But it surprised him. An
invulnerable being (your words) was surprised by a kick to his abdomen by a peak human.
Only by that he was never harmed in wolf form and you see him eating a Sun which is a star in the end.
Never harmed in wolf form? How about never having fought anyone in wolf form?
As I stated above Fenris was under the control of Loki. Everytime he was not, he was in wolf form. So it is very plausible for him to fight in wolf form.
Every time?!
2 appearances, one of which recounted a story from Norse myth and the other didn't have him fighting at all.
Now, I feel we're going in circles, so I'll just summarise my main argument (and you can do the same):
- Fenris will most likely not be in wolf form. Not only is it not handy in this fight, his appearances have shown him to be in his humanoid form when it comes to battle (whether under the control of Loki or not).
- Fenris was surprised by a kick to the stomach from Captain America, a foe that doesn't even approach Thor in power.
- Fenris was slain by Beta Ray Bill.
- Hyde is counted amongst Thor's foes. His class 70 strength supports this.
- Hyde has held his own against the Gray Hulk.
- Hyde is highly intelligent, in the chemical department, as well as mechanically.
- Hyde has rudimentary knowledge of Fenris and Muir Isle.
Hyde can do the following:
- Try and overcome Fenris via brute strength. Not likely to succeed, but he should be able to hold his own long enough to put his plans into effect.
- Try and set Fenris aflame. Having every inch of hair on your body set on fire will hurt, Asgardian god or not.
- Try and blind Fenris. Eyes are always a weak spot, even with Asgardian gods. He doesn't have to stop at blinding, he can throw explosives into Fenris' eyes.
- Use misdirection and other hit and run tactics to set up explosives around the facilities of Muir Isle and causing a collapse of the building. A slightly unconventional and cheap strategy, but plausible enough in my opinion. It'd be a definite last resort.
WINNER=MR. HYDE
