Contest of Marvels II Thread 2

[Ahura Mazda]

Wonderman
Man-Wolf
Jim Hammond
Carol Danvers

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Man-Wolf beat Baron Zemo 5-4
Jim Hammond beat Morbius 9-0
Super Skrull beat Wonder Man 5-4
Carol Danvers beat Multiple Man 9-0

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 3,

Match 9:

Beta Ray Bill (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

vs.

Moses Magnum (DARTHPHERE) bio

Match 10:

Protocide (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

vs.

Baron Blood (DARTHPHERE) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 4,

Match 9:

Maverick (HELLSTORMER) bio

vs.

Lifeguard (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

Match 10:

Pluto (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Kane - Weapon X (PHAEDRUS45) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: Wakanda

Wakanda is a fictional nation in the Marvel Universe. It is one of many fictional African nations in the Marvel Universe, including Azania, Narobia, Halwan and Murkatesh.

(I wanted Wakanda's population to be around; but, as many of the warriors would probably not take too kindly to having intruders in their midst, I will say no human population. Of course, any other predators, such as any tigers, would still be lurking in the surrounding forests.)

 

[Phaedrus45]

(Hellstormer is away this week; so, I'm helping him out by posting his opening debate he PMed me.)

Maverick vs. Lifeguard:

Ok Lifeguards abilities are pretty good, admittedly.

She can react to any threat posed against her and sometimes she can trigger these affects.

Maverick on the other hands has:
Ability to absorb kinetic energy,
Force blasts,
Superhuman strength,
Accelerated healing factor,
No discernible scent,
Anti-healing factor corrosive

Maverick is known for carrying guns and (prior to Weapon X) having a gold colored armor. His most notable power is his anti-healing corrosive. What this has been shown to do is burn through the skin then stop all the healing and clotting making the recipient bleed to death. In the pages of Weapon X Days of the Future Now (an alternate future) he was able to take down an entire X-men team with this corrosive. Now this isn't even incorporating his force blasts, his strength, and his healing factor. Lifeguard's adaptive ability could quite possibly be hindered by the corrosive. And any thing she uses against him will either be absorbed or not strong enough for him to notice. Her on the other hand it will be very easy to beat. Her skin is a lot like Colossus and Maverick has fought the X-men before in the 90s. He will probaly see very quickly that her eyes are not covered and he'll go for that with the corrosive, he'll know about her powers through Weapon X and she might know him through X-Files but she can't trigger her powers (other then her wings IIRC) so she can't really prep. Once he has the corrosive in her eyes she will not only have trouble adapting but she'll be blind, this will open up a perfect oppurtunity for Maverick to lay down the heat with force blasts and guns chipping away at her armor. Then once h's cracked it he'll beat her to a pulp with the Super strength.

Winner=Maverick

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Edit - Internet Problems

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Edit - Internet Problems

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Match 10:

Pluto (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Kane - Weapon X (PHAEDRUS45) bio

Before I even start, I would like to state Wiki is mistaken because Kane cannot use the power of every single mutant in history and he has never been able to. This is not the Collective here.

I doubt I need to present Pluto who is Zeus' brother and ruler of Hades. He is a class 60, with Olympian superspeed, a helmet that renders him invisible, regenerative powers, superhuman resistance, the ability to drain energy with a simple touch to the point of causing death, and of course, he is the most powerful Olympian magic user, somewhat like Loki with the Asgardians. Among his magic powers include transdimensional teleportation and magical blasts, and quite a few others. Pluto also uses adamantium axes which he is very proficient in.

Now Kane wil be able to do very little research on Pluto/Hades apart from what he reads on mythology....where there are few stories apart from when he stole Persephone from Demeter, her mother, and a few minor roles in other stories.

With regard to the terain, Pluto will know it well or at least he can use his 24 hours to comepletely research it.

This fight in any case could be over very quickly.

Pluto could either:

1. Teleport behind Kane, and with one swipe of his axe cut off his head, then seperate out different parts to the 4 corners of Wakanda

or

2. Teleport with his invisible helmet and use his touch weakening all the human parts of Kane to the point of 'death'

or

3. Use magical blasts to knock out Kane

or

4. Teleport him to Hades (as the edict against doing this would be off given this is a battle) and feed Kane to his various pets like Cerebrus (unlikely scenario but a possible one)

or

5. He could......do I really need to go on?

Pluto is among the 3 most powerful Olympians (with Zeus and Poseidon) and the ruler of the Olympain land of death. It took all the Avengers to defeat him and they did it with the help of his wife - a kind of trick win (it was not a combat but an edict which forced his loss). Never through any type of one on one combat.

Winner - Pluto/Hades

 

[Harlekin]

KANE CORRECTION

Before I even start, I would like to state Wiki is mistaken because Kane cannot use the power of every single mutant in history and he has never been able to. This is not the Collective here.

He's not the Collective, but he did show the ability to copy powers in the Weapon X series. It's not every single mutant in history, but it's quite a few. It's a similar concept to Gideon's mutant templates, wherein Kane uses his armor to duplicate the powers.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I agree he can copy the powers of a mutant and was able to use the powers of his teammates but nothing more.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Garrison Kane vs. Pluto:

The bios.

Garrison Kane:

Kane-Weapon X:

AbilitiesHeightened strength and reflexes, able to transform weapons attached on his body armor to his liking, access all recorded mutant powers and use them

Another bio states:

Powers and Abilities:
biometallic extremities augment his strength, speed, reflexes and durability, regenerate themselves when damaged, and can download abilities from his database, morphing his liquid metal into different forms, such as automatic weapons, plasma dischargers, laser weapons, and a molecule-thin blade


(What benefits Kane is the fact that he can access quite a bit of information about Pluto and Wakanda from various databanks. Here are the teams and organizations he's been affiliated with:

Affiliations:
Six Pack, Wild Pack, Weapon X Program II, III, Clan Chosen, Department K, AIM, Weapon P.R.I.M.E.)


Pluto:

Hades has superhuman strength and endurance like all Marvel Olympians, but he is stronger than most of them. He is also immortal; he doesn't age, is immune to all terrestrial diseases and poisons and while he can be wounded, most wounds he will receive will heal quickly. Only extreme force would be able to kill him and even then his divine essence may be untouched, allowing him to be resurrected. Hades has vast magical powers which he can use for various effects like teleportation, energy blasts and protective shields. As a Death God, Hades has a pact with Death, allowing him to claim the souls of any worshipper of the Greek Gods and take them to his Underworld as his servants. He can drain the energy from any opponent he touches. The various Death Gods have their own alliance, though there is some internal competition as well, as seen when both Hela and Hades tried to claim the soul of Odin after his death.
Hades owns a helmet which makes him invisible and undetectable, even to his fellow gods. He also owns several adamantine axes. These axes are nearly indestructible and can channel and focus his energy blasts.


Needless to say, Pluto is one bad Muther&#*#@! But, that doesn't mean he has this match won outright. There are a few things that really benefits Garrison Kane in this match.

*First, as mentioned above, Kane has been affiliated with numerous teams and organizations; plus, Pluto is a pretty well-known God. Kane will have instant knowledge of who he's fighting. Sadly, Pluto won't know jack-crap about Kane or Wakanda.

*As Pluto's bio states, "Only extreme force would be able to kill him and even then his divine essence may be untouched, allowing him to be resurrected." The one thing that Kane possesses is extreme force, and he'll be able to, and would have no qualms against, killing Pluto. Just one of Kane's abilities he is able to access is Madison Jeffries, who has "technomorphing abilities." Knowing the basic lay of the land, due to his affiliations, Kane could use Jeffries abilities with the Vibranium around Wakanda to create a deadly enough weapon to slay Pluto.

*Another excellent biography about Kane states the following:

After he was sent to the future he gained new cybernetic apendages which were made out of liquid metal and could transform into shields, knives, or create detatchable remote controlled hands. His arms were also capable of repairing themselves. Due to the enhancements that the newest incarnation of Weapon X has given him, Kane now has numerous bionic appendages which houses various weapons. He now has the ability to see in various spectrums of light, project holograms, and he has a computerized targeting system. His strength was also upgraded and he is now more resistant to damage. He could download super powers such as toxic emissions, metal control, and various other abilities.

This really shows how screwed Pluto really is. With Metal Control, all of Pluto's armor, weapons, and his nice little helmet is completely within Garrison's control. After this, toxic emissions and all his other deadly weapons (including what he gets from Wakanda) will end up defeating Pluto.

*Since Kane can see the various spectrums of light, its likely Pluto's helmet is going to do little good, especially coupled with the fact Kane's metal control will detect the metal Pluto has on him. Simply put, Kane will think, "I detect metal in front of me, but cannot see it. Aha, it must be Pluto." Now, since Kane can project holograms, Pluto is going to attack the wrong person, which will further give away his location, as Kane lies in hiding. Finally, don't forget Kane has a computerized targeting system. There will be no problem getting Pluto in his line of sight.

Winner = Garrison Kane-Weapon X

 

[Phaedrus45]

Rebuttal:

Before I even start, I would like to state Wiki is mistaken because Kane cannot use the power of every single mutant in history and he has never been able to. This is not the Collective here.

This I agree with. But, the abilities he can still get are quite impressive.

Now Kane wil be able to do very little research on Pluto/Hades apart from what he reads on mythology....where there are few stories apart from when he stole Persephone from Demeter, her mother, and a few minor roles in other stories.

First, Pluto is a very well known God. Plus, he's been to Earth numerous times, even getting involved with the Avengers on a few occassions. Couple this with Kane's various affiliations throughout the years, he'll find enough information on Pluto to be very prepared. Pluto, obviously, won't know a thing about Kane and what a threat he is.

With regard to the terain, Pluto will know it well or at least he can use his 24 hours to comepletely research it.

Incorrect. Pluto has no ability to research Wakanda, as it has nothing to do with the Olympic Gods. Now, this doesn't hold true with Kane. Many of his affiliations will have some information on Wakanda and Vibranium.

This fight in any case could be over very quickly.

This is the same false bravado that Pluto will be having going into this match. Pluto thinks he's all that and a ball of cheese; when, in fact, Kane is quite a threat to Pluto, especially considering many of his weapons will be rendered useless.

Pluto could either:

1. Teleport behind Kane, and with one swipe of his axe cut off his head, then seperate out different parts to the 4 corners of Wakanda

You expect Pluto to be able to find Kane. Kane will no doubt be using some ingenious cloaking technology or his holograms. In my opinion, Kane will know where Pluto is long before Pluto locates Kane.

or

2. Teleport with his invisible helmet and use his touch weakening all the human parts of Kane to the point of 'death'

First, there aren't too many human parts of Kane left to touch. Second, the Invisible Helmet will be quickly removed with Kane's Metal Control. Pluto is going to have a tough time when he realizes the metal of his armor has been made into a metal prison, whereas he couldn't even touch his own butt to scratch it.

or

3. Use magical blasts to knock out Kane

Again, Kane isn't standing out in the open, saying "here I am, oh deadly God of Olympus." Plus, it really sucks when Pluto doesn't realize Kane's holograms and makes it easily able for Kane to find him.

or

4. Teleport him to Hades (as the edict against doing this would be off given this is a battle) and feed Kane to his various pets like Cerebrus (unlikely scenario but a possible one)

Pluto is going to have his hands full, being assaulted by Kane and his numerous abilities. He won't even know where Kane is, and Kane could even use his abilities to lay traps to further give Pluto's location away.

or

5. He could......do I really need to go on?

Pluto is among the 3 most powerful Olympians (with Zeus and Poseidon) and the ruler of the Olympain land of death. It took all the Avengers to defeat him and they did it with the help of his wife - a kind of trick win (it was not a combat but an edict which forced his loss). Never through any type of one on one combat.

Again, Pluto will show the same bravado as witnessed in this last statement. He will be going in blind to the person he is fighting and the location. His weapons will be rendered useless, and Kane's abilities are ideal for this contest.

Winner = Garrison Kane

 

[Harlekin]

Edited per request.

 

[Phaedrus45]

editted

 

[Harlekin]

Edited.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Harlekin, this isn't your debate, stop debating. If Ahura wants to pick up where you left off, that's fine, but I'm going to have to ask you to remove the debating posts (and probably Phaed to just to keep a clean reading thread.). Future note to Harl, if you feel something's been misrepresented and you feel that it Must be corrected, make a post, but if it falls to a debate, bring it to me or Phaed (me in this instance) so that we can look into it. You must not debate in a match that isn't yours as to pull votes that may not have been pulled. The best route, and the one I prefur, is to just bring it to one of us to begin with so we can deal with it in an organized fashion.

My advice to Phaed and Ahura, make a post covering the details of the debate regarding the "Kane Corrections" as needed for clarification on each of your standings on it. Take my advice if you want, though you don't have to, I just think this would be best for the rest of the voters.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Lifeguard Vs Maverick

Okay, this is hard because these are two of my favorate characters (I have low standards, I know). But alas, one must go home, and that one is Maverick!

Okay, so location does nothing for either character, so no benefits there. Neither will know anything about the other, and if they can somehow get info, it'd be minor (as Maverck's always been secretive, and Lifeguard was smalltime and with the X-Men for maybe 2 missions). Maverick might be able to get a little info on Heather, but I doubt it.

Maverick has several powers, but they are mostly minor. He can fire some type of force blast from his hands I believe. His armor can absorbe kinetic energy (impact, etc.). Through weapon X he gained a few things, such as a corrosive element in his skin that attacks a healing factor, and he no longer has a scent. He is a weapons expert. His main thing though, is that he is a highly skilled mercenary and very experienced.

Lifeguard has the mutant power to instantly adapt to anything thrown at her, whether that changes her physically or whatever. 99% of the time she will have a golden armor (like Colossus) and wings. She is also half shi'ar royalty. This gives her razor sharp claws and a blood lust that makes her more feral-like, though she has complete control of her mind (though she can go over the edge for a short time).

Now when it comes to the battle itself, it's going to come down to whether or not Maverick's experience can overcome her ability to adapt. She will be flying around looking for him with her armor. Her armor has been shown to be able to resist energy and gun attacks (during the Invasion arc) and so his force blasts and his guns won't do much. She doesn't have any type of healing factor, so his corrosive skin won't do anything. He may have some other military type of weapons to use, such as granades and things, but she's shown that she can resist those (she covered her whole team with her wings during an explosion during the Invasion arc and no one was wounded).

Honestly, I'm hard pressed to think of anything that Maverick can do to harm her. Anything he throws at her she can adapt to. Her Shi'ar half has turned her into a warrior and she can go toe to toe with a trained soldier like Maverick, but where she can adapt to his attacks, he can't adapt to hers. I honestly think it'd be an interesting fight, and I honestly believe that he might be able to find some way to wound her or even beat her, but he's going to have to do it while dodging her offensive attacks and I just don't think he has the time to figure it out. In the end, I think Lifeguard's adapting ability and her feral blood-lust will win her the match.

Winner - Lifeguard

 

[JewishHobbit]

(Hellstormer is away this week; so, I'm helping him out by posting his opening debate he PMed me.)

Maverick vs. Lifeguard:

Ok Lifeguards abilities are pretty good, admittedly.

She can react to any threat posed against her and sometimes she can trigger these affects.

Maverick on the other hands has:
Ability to absorb kinetic energy,
Force blasts,
Superhuman strength,
Accelerated healing factor,
No discernible scent,
Anti-healing factor corrosive

Maverick is known for carrying guns and (prior to Weapon X) having a gold colored armor. His most notable power is his anti-healing corrosive. What this has been shown to do is burn through the skin then stop all the healing and clotting making the recipient bleed to death. In the pages of Weapon X Days of the Future Now (an alternate future) he was able to take down an entire X-men team with this corrosive. Now this isn't even incorporating his force blasts, his strength, and his healing factor. Lifeguard's adaptive ability could quite possibly be hindered by the corrosive. And any thing she uses against him will either be absorbed or not strong enough for him to notice. Her on the other hand it will be very easy to beat. Her skin is a lot like Colossus and Maverick has fought the X-men before in the 90s. He will probaly see very quickly that her eyes are not covered and he'll go for that with the corrosive, he'll know about her powers through Weapon X and she might know him through X-Files but she can't trigger her powers (other then her wings IIRC) so she can't really prep. Once he has the corrosive in her eyes she will not only have trouble adapting but she'll be blind, this will open up a perfect oppurtunity for Maverick to lay down the heat with force blasts and guns chipping away at her armor. Then once h's cracked it he'll beat her to a pulp with the Super strength.

Winner=Maverick

Not a bad tactic, but flawed. First off, her powers aren't healing in anyway, they are adapting. If she can grow gills to breath underwater, that has nothing to do with healing, it's two completely differant things. Fact is, as far as I can recall, she's never even shown having healed herself. I think that is enough to show that his corrosive will do nothing against her. (also, the Days of Future Now storyline is an alternate future, and not this Maverick, fyi). Going for her eyes is a good tactic, but keep in mind, I'm sure she will adapt. If he tries to throw some corrosive element into her eyes, chances are that her eyes will grow solid to prevent it from entering it... or heck, she can just close her eyes, her eye lids are metal afterall. And besides that, she won't be just standing there, she's out in the open, probably out in the air flying, diving attacks, etc. He might be able to get something into her eye, but it'd be tough.

The next thing I wanted to point out is that his ability to absorb impact (kinetic energy, etc.) is actually through his armor, not through him. Her strength has shown in the past that it too can adapt and grow to the task as needed (also during the Invasion arc) and if her punches and clawing can't get through his armor, it'll quickly adapt to the point where it can. Once his armor is busted, it's just normal flesh and bone against that enhanced strength and feral claws.

And also, her armor isn't body armor, it's her skin adapting. You can't break through Colossus' armor like it's a second layor (like early Iceman), and the same can be said about Lifeguard's golden armor. It can take the amount of punishment he wants to dish, and if it has problem with it then it can adapt to the point where it can.

I think I've debated this enough.

Lifeguard For The Win!

 

[Harlekin]

Harlekin, this isn't your debate, stop debating. If Ahura wants to pick up where you left off, that's fine, but I'm going to have to ask you to remove the debating posts (and probably Phaed to just to keep a clean reading thread.). Future note to Harl, if you feel something's been misrepresented and you feel that it Must be corrected, make a post, but if it falls to a debate, bring it to me or Phaed (me in this instance) so that we can look into it. You must not debate in a match that isn't yours as to pull votes that may not have been pulled. The best route, and the one I prefur, is to just bring it to one of us to begin with so we can deal with it in an organized fashion.

My advice to Phaed and Ahura, make a post covering the details of the debate regarding the "Kane Corrections" as needed for clarification on each of your standings on it. Take my advice if you want, though you don't have to, I just think this would be best for the rest of the voters.

I'm not debating. I'm correcting. I've read the issues. Phaed hasn't. I'm correcting something blatantly wrong. I'll edit my second post, but meh.

 

[Hellstormer]

Not a bad tactic, but flawed. First off, her powers aren't healing in anyway, they are adapting. If she can grow gills to breath underwater, that has nothing to do with healing, it's two completely differant things. Fact is, as far as I can recall, she's never even shown having healed herself. I think that is enough to show that his corrosive will do nothing against her.

Yes but his power has been shown as more then just working against healing factors. its a corrosive that eats through armor and skin and stops even basic healing as well, such as blood clotting and making people bleed to death. In a way her body is just contsantly healing itself to overcome problems, when I first heard about her that character she reminds me of is Elixer, he's an omega level healer and in the past his body adpated to problems by healing itself in new ways (i.e.his gold skin) this IMO is roughly how Lifeguard's powers are workin. Her body becomes injured so it rapidly heals itself and adds a new element to ovecome that injury.

(also, the Days of Future Now storyline is an alternate future, and not this Maverick, fyi).

It is an alternate future but its that same guy just a couple years later.

Going for her eyes is a good tactic, but keep in mind, I'm sure she will adapt. If he tries to throw some corrosive element into her eyes, chances are that her eyes will grow solid to prevent it from entering it... or heck, she can just close her eyes, her eye lids are metal afterall. And besides that, she won't be just standing there, she's out in the open, probably out in the air flying, diving attacks, etc. He might be able to get something into her eye, but it'd be tough.

For her to blink in time would be damn near impossible and he's shown the ability to use the corrosive with his force blasts making it easier for him to get it in her eyes. If she adpats by getting solid eyes like you said this will severly limit her sight range making it harder for her to dodge incoming attacks.

The next thing I wanted to point out is that his ability to absorb impact (kinetic energy, etc.) is actually through his armor, not through him.

What is with you and givimng wrong information, I expect more form you. His mutant ability is absorbing kinetic energy if it was through his armor he wouldn't have been able to change into the sleeker outfit he wore before M-Day. Both of these bios say its his mutant ability and I'm a huge Maverick fan, it is not his armor, its him. http://www.marvel.com/universe/Agent_Zero
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Agent_Zero

Her strength has shown in the past that it too can adapt and grow to the task as needed (also during the Invasion arc) and if her punches and clawing can't get through his armor, it'll quickly adapt to the point where it can. Once his armor is busted, it's just normal flesh and bone against that enhanced strength and feral claws.

He has a healing factor just a small step below Wolverine's for her to do this she would need to be ridculously strong and I don't think she can adapt fast enough before she's blinded by Maverick then gets her head ripped off. Also I thought of something else, Maverick's a tactical genious and he'll have info from the Weapon X files. If he brings some kind of microwave emitter that could super heat her metallic skin, her body will register that as a threat and will put up a new kind of skin which will give Maverick an oppurtunity to smack her down.

And also, her armor isn't body armor, it's her skin adapting. You can't break through Colossus' armor like it's a second layor (like early Iceman), and the same can be said about Lifeguard's golden armor. It can take the amount of punishment he wants to dish, and if it has problem with it then it can adapt to the point where it can.

I was talking about breaking through her armor and into her skeletal and organ systems which Maverick will then fill with corrosive causing a huge break down of the entire body killing Lifeguard.

I think I've debated this enough.

Aside from the fact that you provided a huge load of wrong information regarding Maverick.

Winner=Maverick

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm not debating. I'm correcting. I've read the issues. Phaed hasn't. I'm correcting something blatantly wrong. I'll edit my second post, but meh.

I've read the issues myself, and loved them. They're some of the few that I kept when I had to sell my collection. And I'm going to ask you to remove your first post as well, because it isn't completely accurate either. I looked it over and the official stance is that yes, he died when he adapted to Madison's powers, and he knew it'd kill him, but it wasn't verified one way or the other if he did this to himself, or if his powers did it on their own. It's up to debate... and that debate is between Phaed and Ahura to convince the voters. Please remove the post.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yes but his power has been shown as more then just working against healing factors. its a corrosive that eats through armor and skin and stops even basic healing as well, such as blood clotting and making people bleed to death. In a way her body is just contsantly healing itself to overcome problems, when I first heard about her that character she reminds me of is Elixer, he's an omega level healer and in the past his body adpated to problems by healing itself in new ways (i.e.his gold skin) this IMO is roughly how Lifeguard's powers are workin. Her body becomes injured so it rapidly heals itself and adds a new element to ovecome that injury.

I honestly do not see the connection between adaption and healing. If someone grows gills, or armor, there's nothing healing in that process. Now if she did something to adapt that included direct healing, then maybe it'd effect her, but I cant recall ever seeing her heal. And honestly, it's never been that devistating. It burnt away Sabretooth's hand (which is the effect on direct healing), it just kinda hurt Marrow's bone claws, and it just disoriented Fantomex. If for some reason it does hit Lifeguard, it sure won't be enough to take her out. And whose to say her adaption powers (which arn't healing powers) can't find a way to adapt to it anyhow without setting it off? She's not healing in any way, so I doubt anything will happen if he tried, but being that neither of us can prove that, it's up to the voters.

It is an alternate future but its that same guy just a couple years later.

Nonetheless, it us unuseable. A guy can learn a lot in a couple years that he doesnt' know how to do now. The mention of his being able to take out teams of people with the stuff is irrelivent and is not allowed. I'll pull Phaed into it for his decision if necessary, but I'm telling you now, it's not an example that is to be used.

For her to blink in time would be damn near impossible and he's shown the ability to use the corrosive with his force blasts making it easier for him to get it in her eyes. If she adpats by getting solid eyes like you said this will severly limit her sight range making it harder for her to dodge incoming attacks.

Being that blinking is the first instinct I have when something's coming at my eyes, I don't find it hard to believe it could happen at all. And in regard to the second point, I don't think you're getting the "adaptive" thing. Her eyes can adapt to metal, and they can adapt so he can see. How can she move if her skin is metal with no joints? She adapts, same can be said about her eyes. Keep in mind, the effects of the stuff isn't even that bad on people with healing factors. If by chance it gets her once, her body will be able to adapt against it and against it's effects and it won't work again. And besides the Corrosive possibility, I don't see any other attacks doing a thing to her anyhow, so I think it's a moot point.

What is with you and givimng wrong information, I expect more form you. His mutant ability is absorbing kinetic energy if it was through his armor he wouldn't have been able to change into the sleeker outfit he wore before M-Day. Both of these bios say its his mutant ability and I'm a huge Maverick fan, it is not his armor, its him. http://www.marvel.com/universe/Agent_Zero
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Agent_Zero

Okay first off... show respect. I've never given wrong information for the heck of it, or lied to try and get a win. I've made mistakes here and there, but I correct them when they are brought to me. In this instance I may be mistaken, but don't go talking like I go about lying all the time or anything. I'd like to ask you to point out other times I've been wrong or misleading on my debates, giving wrong information. I'm curious to see where you came up with this thought.

(and a note... if you want to talk about misrepresentation, we did say Maverick was in the tourney, not Agent Zero. But I should have caught that back in round one, so I won't say anything about it and let you have it)

That said, I have looked into it, and I might be mistaken on this. I found where I may have been mislead, and I'm yet to find info saying he absorbs kinetic energy on his own. In the second arc of X-Men there was a flashback of Team X falling from a building and they mention their armor absorbing the impact. That's where my idea of his armor doing this came from, and I know I've read it elsewhere. Now I looked through quite a bit and havent' found anything promoting the idea of him absorbing Kinetic energy, just shooting it in beams, but since the bios say he does, and they're dependable bios, I'll let it go. Not that it matters, if Sabretooth can cut and wound him and break his armor, so can Lifeguard in her Shi'ar state. The point's moot.

He has a healing factor just a small step below Wolverine's for her to do this she would need to be ridculously strong and I don't think she can adapt fast enough before she's blinded by Maverick then gets her head ripped off. Also I thought of something else, Maverick's a tactical genious and he'll have info from the Weapon X files. If he brings some kind of microwave emitter that could super heat her metallic skin, her body will register that as a threat and will put up a new kind of skin which will give Maverick an oppurtunity to smack her down.

Or her skin could just become heat resistant, simple as that. Also, Maverick isn't one who Weapon X would have trusted with their files, and even if they did, Lifeguard wouldn't be in them. Weapon X's files aren't like, say Sinisters. They know well known mutants, mutants who've come to them or work with them, etc. They don't have files on every mutant ever born, and Lifeguard wasn't a high enough profile mutant to register on anyone's files. I'd be very surprised if Maverick could find info on her, but that' s up to opinion.

Also, let's keep in mind that she is fast and strong enough to do whatever the heck she needs. That's her powers. If he blinds her, perhaps she'll grow a second set of eyes (like she's grown extra arms), maybe her eyes'll adapt to see through the chemical, maybe her eyes resist the chemical to begin with and get rid of it, etc. There's a thousand ways Lifeguard's powers can work around the corrosive element. It's just the way she works. After that it shouldn't be hard to get to him. If people like Sabretooth can cut him up and break his armor and put a hole in his chest, Lifeguard can do so just as easily.

I was talking about breaking through her armor and into her skeletal and organ systems which Maverick will then fill with corrosive causing a huge break down of the entire body killing Lifeguard.

I don't think he has anything that can get through her armor (being that he can try all day and it'd just keep strengthening to resist it). And even if he did manage to eventually do it, you have to remember that she's beating him in the process, and flying, and taking him into the air and dropping him, and throwing him into trees, and slashing at his armor and neck and mouth, and breaking his jaw, etc. She's not going to just sit there and let him try to put a hole in her. Wolverine 166 showed it's easier to put a hole in Maverick than Lifeguard

Aside from the fact that you provided a huge load of wrong information regarding Maverick.

Please, explain, and even may I ask in detail. I messed up one point, which added and took away nothing from the argument. If anything you're completely misleading about Lifeguard's abilities and how they work and you're riding your entire argument on that misleading. I find that funny

Lifeguard

 

[Harlekin]

I've read the issues myself, and loved them. They're some of the few that I kept when I had to sell my collection. And I'm going to ask you to remove your first post as well, because it isn't completely accurate either. I looked it over and the official stance is that yes, he died when he adapted to Madison's powers, and he knew it'd kill him, but it wasn't verified one way or the other if he did this to himself, or if his powers did it on their own. It's up to debate... and that debate is between Phaed and Ahura to convince the voters. Please remove the post.

It was verified. Weapon X #9 (summary here). I've deleted my posts per request, but I just want to note that I'm not debating either side, just showing that it was confirmed.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I stand corrected