Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

[kytrigger]

Garokk
Selene
Scream
Luke Cage

 

[JewishHobbit]

Garokk
Vision
Calisto
War

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Garokk
Vision
Cage
War

 

[Harlekin]

Garokk
Luke Cage
Vision - The androidness helps.
War

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Garokk currently beating Firestar 6-0
Luke Cage currently beating Calisto 5-1
Selene currently tied with Vision 3-3
War currently beating Scream 4-2

 

[wiegeabo]

Garokk
Luke Cage
Selene (probably toughest match of the week)
War

 

[primemover]

Garokk
Luke Cage
Vision
Scream

 

[hippy fascist]

garokk

selene (population of the location is a major advantage)

Calisto

War (I think enough explosions in a concentrated area would work)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Garokk beat Firestar 9-0
Luke Cage beat Calisto 7-2
Selene beat Vision 5-4
War beat Scream 6-3

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Stupid location full of people

Well done Ky

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 7,

Match 1:

Kaine (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

vs.

Forge (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

Match 2:

Rachel Grey (HIPPY FASCIST) bio



vs.

Mesmero (HARLEKIN) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 8,

Match 1:

Nova (DARTHPHERE) bio

vs.

Maestro (KYTRIGGER) bio

Match 2:

Pulsar (HARLEKIN) bio



vs.

Fixer (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

Location: Alcatraz

Alcatraz
Californian island prison, operational 1859-1963, held superhuman criminals in the 1940's. First appeared in Marvel Mystery Comics #25 (1941).


(This is probably going to be just your basic prison. Figure you are going to expect what you'd see in our world, unless anyone comes up with information different in their research. It will be in today's time; so, the basic prison stands, but it's been a tourist spot for some time. Also, nobody really has to worry about security features, like we've had with previous prisons. Also, you can go outside the prison; you just can't leave the island. Flight is possible, but within reason, as JH stated. Let's say 1/4 of a mile in the air is alright.)

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Mesmero vs Rachel Grey

This seems like an easy win for the lovely Rachel Grey, and that's exactly why it isn't. Both characters will have a complete file of information on the other (although they would both be a little outdated) and will know what to expect. I'm not going to postulate that Mesmero is going to bring along an anti-telepath helmet or something silly like that, because you just know he wouldn't give two hoots.

That should be an obvious advantage to Rachel, right? Not necessarily. Rachel isn't the type of telepath Professor Xavier is. Xavier would, when faced with a threat, make sure to take him out as quickly as possible. He's very much a "mental telepath". Rachel, however powerful she is, is much more of a "physical telepath", largely because of her having telekinetic powers as well. She's going to want to find Mesmero and see him defeated rather than just turning off his mind from a distance.

That character "flaw" is exactly the edge that Mesmero needs to win this. Rachel will be searching her opponent out, lifting him up in the air, letting him levitate helplessly, because that's the kind of vengeful person she is. She would want a lowlife like Mesmero to suffer. And that's her mistake.

Mesmero's powers have been increased severely by Weapon-X. He doesn't need eye-contact anymore so much as line of sight. Even though telepath have an easier time to resist his powers, Rachel won't be focussing on this, expecting a weaker Mesmero (after all, his involvement with Weapon-X wasn't known to anyone). Next thing you know, Rachel is under Mesmero's control, and he makes sure to knock her out quickly to spare himself any further embarassment.

WINNER=MESMERO

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Pulsar vs Fixer

This is an interesting match. Former Avenger fights former Master of Evil. These guys are going to have information about one another, whether it's through old or new contacts. Both have interesting powers, with Pulsar capable of harnessing the entire electromagnetic spectrum and the Fixer being a technical genius who carries around a mobile Tech-Pac.

Because these two know each other so well, this battle is going to be very short. Knowing the opponent to be very dangerous, both of them will make sure to clear the location as quick as possible in search of the other. The Fixer will most likely already have a device ready with which he hopes to take Pulsar out. It'll have to be quite the special weapon, since she can easily turn intangible and avoid a laser blast.

That's not all though. She can literally turn invisible and avoid the Fixer's sensors. Coupled with that invisibility, if she stays at that frequency and interacts with machinery, the machinery is toast. The Fixer doesn't have a defense against this kind of tactic, no matter how smart or technically gifted he is. In those issues (Avengers #255, 257-258) she's also capable of deflecting an anti-matter torpedo.

Her powers and her skills have only grown since then. She was pulling this stuff off at the start of her career, and we're quite a few years ahead now. She's got some serious power, and Fixer won't be able to put up much of a defense. Monica isn't a gloryhound and she'll make sure to take down Fixer as quick as possible. She'll have located quite quickly, thanks to her superior speed, and once she de-activates his machinery, he's done for.

WINNER=PULSAR

 

[kytrigger]

Nova (DARTHPHERE) bio

vs.

Maestro (KYTRIGGER) bio

This is a match between twp pretty powerful characters here.

Nova can fly, shot energy blasts, and has super-strength/durability.

Maestro is twice as strong as the Professor Hulk, as smart as Banner, and as ruthless and wiley as Joe Fixit. He has only been beaten in a straight up fight by Savage Hulk, and Maestro was actually really weakened during the fight.

I will say that while Nova is still powerful, he is NOWHERE near as powerful as he is in the Annihilation mini.

Nova's only real advantage is flight, but Mestro has fought dozens of fliers before and knows how to handle them. He will either take the batlte inside where flighks, or use his considerable speed to keep Nova off of him. He has plenty of boulders and debris to throw at a flying Nova, and he always has his thunderclap as well. Even outside, Nova's flight is severely limited by the small arena. He only has a couple of miles to maneuver around, which isn't much when you thin about these two heavy hitters.

Maestro is very tactically cunning and would know that he has to stop nova's flight first and foremost. He would try anythign and everythign form throwing things to ambushing him.

Another main factor is that Nova can't really hurt Maestro with anything. His blasts aren't strong enough to do any real damage, and Maestro will just regenerate right away form anything. Also, Nova's strength is obviously nothign compared to Maestro's.

Once Maestro gets a hold of Nova it is all over. He is absoluytely ruthless and wouldn't let go until Nova is dead.

Winner- Maestro

 

[hippy fascist]

Rachel Grey Vs Mesmero



Interesting match this, up close mesmero is one of the most dangerous opponents in the marvel u. Rachel on the other hand is one of the most powerful psychics the marvel u has ever seen.

The match itself will be fairly simple. With access to the x-men's database she would be able to find out prety much anything she wants on mesmero. Realising that there's a good chance she could lose up close she will simply raise her shields and fly up through the roof. From this lofty position she will use her TK to collapse the prison on itself. Given that she has previously levitated an entire island city using the same power collapsing the bricks and mortar of alcatraz will certainly not be an issue. This will be enough to knock out mesmero (hell it'd probably kill him)

WINNER: RACHEL SUMMERS!

 

[Darthphere]

BRACKET 8,

Match 1:

Nova (DARTHPHERE) bio

vs.

Maestro (KYTRIGGER) bio

Richard, can I call you Dick? I'm so sorry. I tried, but its probably not going to happen. Breakdown:

Nova: Vast superhuman strength, durability and speed. Uniform houses the Xandarian Worldwind which allows him near infinite control over the Nova Force, including absorbing and releasing energy.

Maestro: Pretty much a smart as **** Hulk with a bad attitude.

So yeah, Maestro pretty much outclasses Nova in every category. All Nova can hope to do is fly around really fast and hope Maestro gets tired, which isn't going to happen. But nobody is going to call Nova a quitter. He'll hit him with everything he's got and blast, fly, whatever he needs to do. He'll bring down Alcatraz and sink the mother****ing island to beat this guy. Now, this probably won't do much but it will be the endgame as Maestro will choke on his own spit and die. Sad.

Nova wins.

 

[Darthphere]

This is a match between twp pretty powerful characters here.

Nova can fly, shot energy blasts, and has super-strength/durability.

Maestro is twice as strong as the Professor Hulk, as smart as Banner, and as ruthless and wiley as Joe Fixit. He has only been beaten in a straight up fight by Savage Hulk, and Maestro was actually really weakened during the fight.

I will say that while Nova is still powerful, he is NOWHERE near as powerful as he is in the Annihilation mini.

Nova's only real advantage is flight, but Mestro has fought dozens of fliers before and knows how to handle them. He will either take the batlte inside where flighks, or use his considerable speed to keep Nova off of him. He has plenty of boulders and debris to throw at a flying Nova, and he always has his thunderclap as well. Even outside, Nova's flight is severely limited by the small arena. He only has a couple of miles to maneuver around, which isn't much when you thin about these two heavy hitters.

Maestro is very tactically cunning and would know that he has to stop nova's flight first and foremost. He would try anythign and everythign form throwing things to ambushing him.

Another main factor is that Nova can't really hurt Maestro with anything. His blasts aren't strong enough to do any real damage, and Maestro will just regenerate right away form anything. Also, Nova's strength is obviously nothign compared to Maestro's.

Once Maestro gets a hold of Nova it is all over. He is absoluytely ruthless and wouldn't let go until Nova is dead.

Winner- Maestro

So sad about the choking thing. Maestro has only one weakness, his own spit. So sad.

 

[hippy fascist]

OPENING COMMENTS: Mesmero vs Rachel Grey

This seems like an easy win for the lovely Rachel Grey, and that's exactly why it isn't. Both characters will have a complete file of information on the other (although they would both be a little outdated) and will know what to expect. I'm not going to postulate that Mesmero is going to bring along an anti-telepath helmet or something silly like that, because you just know he wouldn't give two hoots.

And this arrogance will be his downfall

That should be an obvious advantage to Rachel, right? Not necessarily. Rachel isn't the type of telepath Professor Xavier is. Xavier would, when faced with a threat, make sure to take him out as quickly as possible. He's very much a "mental telepath". Rachel, however powerful she is, is much more of a "physical telepath", largely because of her having telekinetic powers as well. She's going to want to find Mesmero and see him defeated rather than just turning off his mind from a distance.

Which is why she'll simply fly up through the roof and bring the building down on him. Remember mesmero has taken control of jean before. With access to the x-men's files rachel will be fully aware of this. If he can effecrt jean he can effect rachel, so the first thing rachel will do is get as far away as possible. She's a VERY inteligent woman.

That character "flaw" is exactly the edge that Mesmero needs to win this. Rachel will be searching her opponent out, lifting him up in the air, letting him levitate helplessly, because that's the kind of vengeful person she is. She would want a lowlife like Mesmero to suffer. And that's her mistake.

You see this just doesn't hold up. People always roll out the rachel's unstable argument but let's look at this quote from wikipedia

[quote = wiki]
Rachel spent some time with her grandparents, bonding with her grandfather. At a family reunion with all her relatives, a commando unit under the order of the Shi'ar attacked the party, killing everyone including Rachel's grandparents, in hopes of wiping out the Grey genome. Though unable to kill her, they were able to graft a deathmark on her back that would allow them to find her wherever she went. The only remaining member of the Grey family now left on Earth besides Rachel is Cable. Afterward, at the graves of the Grey family, Rachel vowed a terrible vengeance on the Shi'ar and was quoted as saying: "I'm not my mom. I'm not the Phoenix. I'm my own woman. And by the time I'm done... they'll wish I WERE the Phoenix."
The Death Commandos later broke free of their prisons, and found Rachel at the psychiatry offices of Dr. Maureen Lysinski. Rachel saved her, and with the help of Psylocke, Nightcrawler, Bishop, and Cannonball, took them down. She decided to imprison them instead of kill them, saying that "I mean to find destiny in a way that brings us both (Jean Grey) honor."[/quote]

Rachel knows she can't beat him up close but will still want the win. These are not the actions of a vengeful psycho. these are the actions of a calm methodical person SEEKING revenge. Those commandos killed her mother, if she can be restrained with them, why not here?

Mesmero's powers have been increased severely by Weapon-X. He doesn't need eye-contact anymore so much as line of sight. Even though telepath have an easier time to resist his powers, Rachel won't be focussing on this, expecting a weaker Mesmero (after all, his involvement with Weapon-X wasn't known to anyone). Next thing you know, Rachel is under Mesmero's control, and he makes sure to knock her out quickly to spare himself any further embarassment.

WINNER=MESMERO

Sorry but no, as a telepath she will know where he is at all times. He does need eye contact and you have faiuled to provide any evidence to the contrary. Rachel will fly out, bring the building down and end the fight.

WINNER: RACHEL SUMMERS!

 

[hippy fascist]

Forge vs Kaine

With kaine's spider-sense any kind of long range weaponry is pretty much pointless in this match. Where forge excells however is in prep time. He will have plenty of info on kaine, but because kaine dissapeared after the clone saga he will have next to none on Forge.

This ultimately is about containment. Forge can create a device to trap cain. think of it like one of those humane mousetraps. as this is not a DANGER to kaine he will not see it coming. He's also kinda dumb.

All forge has to do is stand inside his machine, wait till kaine approaches and then raise the shields trapping kaine.

WINNER: FORGE!

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Mesmero vs Rachel Grey

The match itself will be fairly simple. With access to the x-men's database she would be able to find out prety much anything she wants on mesmero. Realising that there's a good chance she could lose up close she will simply raise her shields and fly up through the roof. From this lofty position she will use her TK to collapse the prison on itself. Given that she has previously levitated an entire island city using the same power collapsing the bricks and mortar of alcatraz will certainly not be an issue. This will be enough to knock out mesmero (hell it'd probably kill him)

Right, because that's Rachel Grey. Characters need to do things that characters actually do. That's not something Rachel does. If Mesmero were Shi'ar, I could see a case being made, but that's really not what she's going to do, and it's halfway insulting to think Rachel will just kill him and end it like that.

And this arrogance will be his downfall

Ironically, it will be the other way around.

Which is why she'll simply fly up through the roof and bring the building down on him. Remember mesmero has taken control of jean before. With access to the x-men's files rachel will be fully aware of this. If he can effecrt jean he can effect rachel, so the first thing rachel will do is get as far away as possible. She's a VERY inteligent woman.

And just kill him. Right. Totally.

Oh, wait, no. Rachel doesn't kill indiscriminately.

What Rachel is going to do, no matter how smart she may be (last few years of UXM/X-Treme haven't really shown that), she's going to want to confront a scumbag like Mesmero directly. She's been faced with his kind all her life, and she's going to want to face him when taking him down, not knowing the fact he no longer needs eye-contact.

Rachel knows she can't beat him up close but will still want the win. These are not the actions of a vengeful psycho. these are the actions of a calm methodical person SEEKING revenge. Those commandos killed her mother, if she can be restrained with them, why not here?

She can definitely restrain herself, but that's not what you're implying at all. You're implying she brings the house down and kills him. You're the one thinking she's wildly instable, not me.

Sorry but no, as a telepath she will know where he is at all times. He does need eye contact and you have faiuled to provide any evidence to the contrary. Rachel will fly out, bring the building down and end the fight.

- I never said she wouldn't know where he is. My plan is actually dependant on that.
- Failed to provide proof? I haven't gotten the chance yet. Also, is this proof enough? This isn't possible with eye-contact. This neither. You couldn't refute this when it was Mesmero vs X-23, and you can't refute it now.
- She's really not going to do that, sorry.

Mesmero will be able to capitalize on Rachel's 'ignorance' (she won't know his powers have been increased) and her arrogance (she's going to want to confront Mesmero).

WINNER=MESMERO

 

[kytrigger]

Richard, can I call you Dick? I'm so sorry. I tried, but its probably not going to happen. Breakdown:

Nova: Vast superhuman strength, durability and speed. Uniform houses the Xandarian Worldwind which allows him near infinite control over the Nova Force, including absorbing and releasing energy.

Maestro: Pretty much a smart as **** Hulk with a bad attitude.

So yeah, Maestro pretty much outclasses Nova in every category. All Nova can hope to do is fly around really fast and hope Maestro gets tired, which isn't going to happen. But nobody is going to call Nova a quitter. He'll hit him with everything he's got and blast, fly, whatever he needs to do. He'll bring down Alcatraz and sink the mother****ing island to beat this guy. Now, this probably won't do much but it will be the endgame as Maestro will choke on his own spit and die. Sad.

Nova wins.

The weird part is that Richard really is my name, and quite a few people call me dick...

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Forge - (Too bad for Kaine. I would have voted for him, especially since I think Forge wouldn't have any information about him and not be able to prep for him that well....but, it's possible Forge could pull a win, and Hippy did debate, so...)

*Rachel Grey - (I almost voted for Mesmero; but, I don't think Rachel is as reckless as Mesmero's debate makes her out to be. She'll have full access to all files on Mesmero and know of his change, IMO.)

*Maestro

*Pulsar - (I just realized Hippy didn't debate this match. Oh well, I thought Harl did an excellent debate that pretty much won me over when I read it, anyway.)