Contest of Marvels II Thread 4
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Diablo-I am officially picking Diablo. After doing a little more research, I think Diablo is the better choice.
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Clea (Although valkyrie would put up a hell of a fight)
Nick Fury (With shield at his fingertips fury is one of the most dangerous characters in this contest)
Titania
Justice (Great try zoken (I personally would have just seen this as a write off) but I can't see prodigy winning)
Nick Fury (With shield at his fingertips fury is one of the most dangerous characters in this contest)
Titania
Justice (Great try zoken (I personally would have just seen this as a write off) but I can't see prodigy winning)
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Titania
Empath (just saying Nick Fury would have the tech handy to block telepathy because 'maybe' SHIELD does is a tad weak, would have liked to see something to back that up)
Justice (his telekinesis in the end is just too much for Prodigy to work around)
Clea (Clea would not be so easily fooled or easily to caught off guard)
Empath (just saying Nick Fury would have the tech handy to block telepathy because 'maybe' SHIELD does is a tad weak, would have liked to see something to back that up)
Justice (his telekinesis in the end is just too much for Prodigy to work around)
Clea (Clea would not be so easily fooled or easily to caught off guard)
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Titania
Empath
Justice - I do not see tk being avoided like a bullet shot from a gun
Valkyrie - She is prettier
Empath
Justice - I do not see tk being avoided like a bullet shot from a gun
Valkyrie - She is prettier
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Final Results:
Diablo beat Titania 5-4
Nick Fury beat Empath 5-4
Justice beat Prodigy 8-1
Clea beat Valkyrie 8-1
(We actually had 10 votes in this thread; but, Zoken only voted in this thread; so, as per our rules, his votes do not count. You must vote in all threads for your votes to count.)
Diablo beat Titania 5-4
Nick Fury beat Empath 5-4
Justice beat Prodigy 8-1
Clea beat Valkyrie 8-1
(We actually had 10 votes in this thread; but, Zoken only voted in this thread; so, as per our rules, his votes do not count. You must vote in all threads for your votes to count.)
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LOCATION: The Vault
Several years ago, the United States tried to solve the problem of incarcerating superhuman criminals by creating the maximum security prison termed the Vault. It had many advantages over more conventional prisons, as it contained multiple subterranean levels, was constructed from near-impervious materials such as either Adamantium or omnium steel, and used various power-dampening devices. An additional factor in the Vaults early success was the fact that its location, deep within the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, was kept top secret from all but the most necessary personnel and government officials.
All 35 of the Vaults guards wore Guardsman armor, modeled after a design by Tony Stark. This included the head of security, Michael OBrien, whose brother was the original Guardsman before the Vaults creation, and a six-man Retriever squad, who were responsible for the transporting of prisoners. Other personnel included the original warden, Howard G. Hardman, and the head of the in-house science team, Dr. Henri Sorel. The science/medical team was a three-man department responsible for screening prisoners when they arrived in order to determine if any specialized containment was necessary.
Separate security towers and administration building; main citadel (security staging areas, administrative offices); self-contained cells in subterranean levels, each cell has reconfigurable walls for differentiated accomodation; isolation pit/cells; self-contained nuclear power facility.
(This version of the Vault will be right before it was destroyed in Heroes For Hire #1 from 2001. This prison, as you can read from various sites, is nowhere on the level as last week's location, The Raft. Many prisoners tended to escape from it.)
Several years ago, the United States tried to solve the problem of incarcerating superhuman criminals by creating the maximum security prison termed the Vault. It had many advantages over more conventional prisons, as it contained multiple subterranean levels, was constructed from near-impervious materials such as either Adamantium or omnium steel, and used various power-dampening devices. An additional factor in the Vaults early success was the fact that its location, deep within the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, was kept top secret from all but the most necessary personnel and government officials.
All 35 of the Vaults guards wore Guardsman armor, modeled after a design by Tony Stark. This included the head of security, Michael OBrien, whose brother was the original Guardsman before the Vaults creation, and a six-man Retriever squad, who were responsible for the transporting of prisoners. Other personnel included the original warden, Howard G. Hardman, and the head of the in-house science team, Dr. Henri Sorel. The science/medical team was a three-man department responsible for screening prisoners when they arrived in order to determine if any specialized containment was necessary.
Separate security towers and administration building; main citadel (security staging areas, administrative offices); self-contained cells in subterranean levels, each cell has reconfigurable walls for differentiated accomodation; isolation pit/cells; self-contained nuclear power facility.
(This version of the Vault will be right before it was destroyed in Heroes For Hire #1 from 2001. This prison, as you can read from various sites, is nowhere on the level as last week's location, The Raft. Many prisoners tended to escape from it.)
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Well, this is a battle with another character I got from a draw. However, this one is not as hopeless as the one I had with the professor against someone who is completely immune to telepathy
Now the problem with Vargas is we know very little about hima nd I will be honest and state I know even less.
Sersi is an extremely powerful eternal but she will not know who the hell Vargas is either.
Now Vargas was abale to defeat both Beast and Psylocke. He is proficient with weapons and does have superhuman abilities.
If he has defences against Sersi's other numerous powers (which I do not know and none of the research I have done can tell me, as he does get defeated by Rogue infused with his own powers) then he has a chance to take Sersi out. His one advantage is he will go in for the kill unlike Sersi.
Winner - Vargas
Note to Kytrigger: I am not going to debate this one because I honestly do not know enough about this guy to say anything intelligent about him so I apologise in advance.
Okay, so we have a decently powerful, but often over-looked Iron Man villain Controller vs. the woman hating Mr. Fantastic (see Crazy Fantastic Four thread for mysoginistic hilarity).
Controllers powers are that he can control people's minds. HE usually uses a special dics of his that controls their minds, but has shown to be able to control people at will now (although it is unknown how many he can control of his own will) He lkes to control many people at once and the more he controls, the more powerful he becomes. By controllign 500 people, he can lift 50 tons and shoot "psychic bolts". He also has otehr gadgets like stun mists and jet boots.
Reed Richards is freaking Reed Richards (I don't really wanna go over his powers since everyone already knows them).
Okay, the way Controller gets screwed here is because he is a villain that relies on 2 things: mind control and gadgets. There is nobody else around, so he can't really use his mind control effectively (i'll go into why he can't control Richards later), and going up against Reed with gadgets is like putting yourself into handcuffs and throwing aways the key. If there's one person that is damn tough to beat with just simple gadgets, it's Reed.
Location wise, Reed will know absolutely everythign about the place. He most likely has files on everything including blueprints, access codes, and all teh tech stuff they facility used.
I'm not sure if Controller has stayed there. If he has, then he would obviously be familiar with the layout. I don't see how he would have access to much more than that though.
Prep time goes to Reed as always. he will kow who Controller is and come in prepared. Not only is Reed extremely resistant to mind control normally, since Controller usually uses tech to control minds, Reed can easily have some tech to keep himself from getting controlled.
Since Controller won't be able to control Reed, and since his gadgets are completely inferior to Reed's, Controller is in a tough spot. His strength level will only be at 1000 pounds, which is nowhere near wnough to hurt Reed. Take into account that Controller's suit is all tech, and Reed could definately find a way to disable it taking Controller out of the fight.
Winner- Mr. Fantastic
Morlun just got screwed.
Okay, so this would actually be a pretty good match-up between two pretty good heavy hitters, but the location is a HUGE advantage for Junkpile.
Powers:
Morlun is strong, anda good fighter. He never tires and can mess with spider-sense. He can drain the life-force out of someone by touchign them, and needs to eat people to stay alive and powered.
Junkpile is strong and can draw in metal to his body giving him more strength, healing him, and high resistance. This also depends on the type of metal he absorbs (steel is stronger than aluminum and so forth)
Prep time is a HUGE advantage for Junkpile. He comes form teh future (2099) and has access to SHIELD's files. And this is SHIELD run by Doom, so this is probably one of the best sources for info in the MU. He would not only know about Morlun, but he would know everythign about the Vault as well.
Morlun obviously wouldn't know about Junkpile, and wouldn't know anythign about the Vault either. All he would kow is that Junkpile isn't a "totem person" or whatever which really narrows it down to just about everyone in the world.
Now, the way Morlun gets screwed here is that the Vault is made of metal, and strogn metla at that. The bio even says it contains a lot of Adamantium. Now, Junkpile is strong, but he isn'ta dumb brute, he wouldn't be Doom's second in command if he was. He would instantly draw the adamantium into his body making him much stronger and ridiculously hard to hurt as well. I seriously doubt Morlun would be able to hurt Junkpile with adamantium in himself.
Also, Morlun can drain people by touching them, but Junkpile isn't made of regular tissue, he's made of metal. This will make it impossible for Morlun to drain him.
After this, it might take Junkpile a whiel to put Morlun down for the count (becasue he is pretty durable), but eventually Junkpile will strike him down.
He could also just use the Vault Security to trap Morlun.
Winner- Junkpile
Interesting match-up that pits a cool character like Vargas against another cool characters like Sersi.
Powers:
Now, I don't know much about Vargas, but it appears that he has super-strength (enough to beat Beast at least) and is a skilled fighter, especially with a sword.
Sersi has a ridiculous amount of powers that include:
-Energy blasts
-Invulnerability
-Immortality
Vast psionic powers include:
-Telepathy
-Telekinesis
-Matter transmutation
-Illusion casting
She can also enhace her strength.
As for prep, I doubt Vargas would know anythign about Sersi or the Vault.
Sersi probably wouldn't know who Vargas is, but would most likely know what the Vault is from her time on the Avengers.
This battle can go a number of ways really. Vargas would obviously have no prblem killign Sersi, but Sersi would know that with her telepathy (and the fact he would probably be running at her with a sword in his hand). She could definately hold him off with her energy blasts and tehn transmute some of the area around him. She would also keep him on his toes with her illusions.
Eventaully she woudl most liekly just cause a cave-in around him if her blasts weren't knocking him out right away. He would be buried and unable to get out.
Her blasts are plenty powerful enough as she once went toe-to-toe with the Avengers (and many thought she killed them). She has so many powers that it is difficult to really say for certain one way she would just beat someone.
Winner- Sersi
Okay, this is a really interesting match. You have Blackout is wields the darkforce energy against Senyaka, who is an energy drainer.
Powers:
Blackout can use the Darkforce energy to create simple shapes, use energy blasts, and create protals to the Darkforce Dimension. He can also ride on darkforce enrgy allowing him to fly.
Senyaka drains the life-force out of his enemies. He can create energy whips which expand his reach and can drain them through these as well.
As for prep, I doubt either character will know of the other one so it's a wash.
As for the battle, Blackout will try shootin gSenyaka with Blasts, but Senyaka was trained by Magneto, and knows how to fight and dodge damn well. He'll eventually get close enough to Blackout and will ensnare him with his whips draining the life nergy out of him, not the darkforce energy. Blackout might have an unlimited supply of darkforce energy, but not of bio-electric life energy, the kind Senyaka specializes in. It'll be difficult for Blackout to dodge even though he can fly, because he will mostly be indoors, and it isn't a natural flight anyway, he has to ride somethign, giving him less mobility. Once Senyaka gets a hold of Balckout it's all aver as he will drain him and kill him.
Winner- Senyaka
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This is not meant to be a debate but I will add this one note.
Vargas was also able to kill Psylocke when she was still a telepath so therefore he must have some type of power protecting him from it.
I cannot describe it or reference it. I am just inferring it from his battles. Therefore it is unlikely she will ascertain anything telepathically.
His main advantage is that he will go for the kill and the fact we know very little about him. Something Sersi would not do.
Winner - Vargas
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Morlun Vs Junkpile
Ok, so when I first saw this I thought, metal man, in a room full of metal...but then something occured to me
I had a look through the bios and I noticed in every one it said that Junkpile is a techno-ORGANIC lifeform. In essence when he sucks the metal into him it becomes part of him, kind of like colossus' skin. This is key to my argument.
the usual quick word on powers;
So here's how it's going to play out
Junkpile will no doubt arrive and armour up. For most opponents this would cause a problem as punching steel ain't fun, but for morlun it's no problem s every punch strengthens morlun and weakens junkpile.
He has been described by pete as having hulk like strength not because he hits hard but because each punch drains away a little of your lifeforce meaning pete was constantly getting weaker throughout the fight.
Morlun doesn't have to penetrate the metal since the merest physical contact will start to weaken Junkpile, think of it like rogue with the gloves off. All morlun has to do is walk up and give him a slap a few times
t: 
Also, I want to make this very clear at this point, MORLUN DRAINS LIFEFORCE. This is not decaying organic material like pestilence. Think of it like draining your soul. He is a lifeforce vampire.
Also, I want to make something else clear to those not familiar with the character: Junkpile is a mutant. He is not a robot, he is a living breathing thing and therefore Morlun can drain him. Against any other opponent, with this location Junkpile is a terrifying prospect but against Morlun he's got no chance.
Every time Morlun hit's him Junkpile get's weaker, morlun get's stronger.
Every time Junkpile hits Morlun, Morlun takes the blow but equally gets stronger and weakens Junkpile (physical contact of ANY KIND) Pete actually said he felt himself getting weaker every time he hit Morlun
It may take a while but I just can't see how Junkpile could win this one
WINNER: MORLUN!
Ok, so when I first saw this I thought, metal man, in a room full of metal...but then something occured to me
I had a look through the bios and I noticed in every one it said that Junkpile is a techno-ORGANIC lifeform. In essence when he sucks the metal into him it becomes part of him, kind of like colossus' skin. This is key to my argument.
the usual quick word on powers;
So here's how it's going to play out
Junkpile will no doubt arrive and armour up. For most opponents this would cause a problem as punching steel ain't fun, but for morlun it's no problem s every punch strengthens morlun and weakens junkpile.
He has been described by pete as having hulk like strength not because he hits hard but because each punch drains away a little of your lifeforce meaning pete was constantly getting weaker throughout the fight.
Morlun doesn't have to penetrate the metal since the merest physical contact will start to weaken Junkpile, think of it like rogue with the gloves off. All morlun has to do is walk up and give him a slap a few times
t: Also, I want to make this very clear at this point, MORLUN DRAINS LIFEFORCE. This is not decaying organic material like pestilence. Think of it like draining your soul. He is a lifeforce vampire.
Also, I want to make something else clear to those not familiar with the character: Junkpile is a mutant. He is not a robot, he is a living breathing thing and therefore Morlun can drain him. Against any other opponent, with this location Junkpile is a terrifying prospect but against Morlun he's got no chance.
Every time Morlun hit's him Junkpile get's weaker, morlun get's stronger.
Every time Junkpile hits Morlun, Morlun takes the blow but equally gets stronger and weakens Junkpile (physical contact of ANY KIND) Pete actually said he felt himself getting weaker every time he hit Morlun
It may take a while but I just can't see how Junkpile could win this one
WINNER: MORLUN!
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I beg to differ
Wrong about the last part, he doesn't eat people, his food is the life force he sucks out of them. What he did to pete was just to torture him.
Durability means nothing when you're opponent doesn't have to injure you. All morlun requires is physical contact. Hell he could give Junkpile a rubdown and kill him...
Prison: Yes
Morlun: Not even close
The guy is like keyser soze, you only find out who or what he is once he comes to kill you. There will be no files and any reference will be in name only. It's not like spidey gave a full and frank account of his ordeal to anyone. Maybe if he was in NA at the time but that wasn't the caseso I'm just not buying this.
No debate here, although that won't change much. Morluns strategy will be to beat on him and drain his energy, doesn't exactly take much prep...
Again, physical durability means nothing against Morlun's power.
Put it this way: Could rogue beat up Juggs? No, but she could drain him easily enough
Read any bio on Junkpile and it will say techno-ORGANIC. He is a mutant, not a robot. He is alive so his lifeforce can be drained.
The problem with this is that with every punch from Morlun Junkpile gets weaker and morlun gets stronger. Equally with every punch from Junkpile Morlun takes damage, but Junkpile gets weaker and Morlun absorbs that lost lifeforce to heal himself.
Have you ever played an RPG?
There's usually a spell called lifetap. This transfers life from the enemy into the caster, hurting the enemy and healing the caster. Ok, now imagine a warrior who's throwing out a beating being able to do this while attacking normally. As the fight goes on morlun gets stronger and Junkpile gets weaker.
WINNER: MORLUN!
Rebuttal
X-Men # 100 had Rogue and Colossus hooking up, and one of the huge reasons was because in his steel form, she can't drain him. (I don't have scans, but I am looking for them. I have found reviews of the comic online if you need a link showing some proof).
If Rogue can't drain a metal man's energy, then the chances of Morlun doing it are slim too. Especially because form the little we've seen of Morlun, he doesn't drain people nearly as fast as Rogue does.
Also, since he obviously won't be draining Junkpile, his hits won't feel nearly as powerful.
Really Morlun's only chance of winning is by being able to drain the energy of a metal guy (I'm pretty sure Hippy would agree with this too). I have shown that other metal guys are either impossible to drain, or at least makeit very hard to drain them. If Morlun could drain Junkpile for some crazy reason, it could very well be less drainage. Being metal could dampen this power. We've seen that his draining power isn't that fast as Peter fought him for a while, and Junkpile is smart enough to know what's happening and put Morlun down quickly.
Anothe rmajor factor is the location. Junkpile is from the future, and would not only have all the access codes and whatnot, but the tech would look like a kid's toy to him. He could easily access the Vault's systems and trap Morlun in a security lockdown.
Winner- Junkpile
I'm very glad you compared him to Colossus because I was going to do thae same. He is very much like Colossus. What's somethign that doesn't affect Colossus? Energy drainage through touch.
X-Men # 100 had Rogue and Colossus hooking up, and one of the huge reasons was because in his steel form, she can't drain him. (I don't have scans, but I am looking for them. I have found reviews of the comic online if you need a link showing some proof).
If Rogue can't drain a metal man's energy, then the chances of Morlun doing it are slim too. Especially because form the little we've seen of Morlun, he doesn't drain people nearly as fast as Rogue does.
I agree
See above for why this won't happen
Right, he drains life-force, but so does Rogue. If she drains someone long enough she kills them as well, so the whole Junkpile=Colossus and Morlun=Rogue thing still applies. Hell, you could even go so far as to say since he is like Colossus (who high a considerably high immunity to magic because of his metal form) that Junkpile would to, countering any mystical aspect of Morlun.t the fight.
Morlun doesn't have to penetrate the metal since the merest physical contact will start to weaken Junkpile, think of it like rogue with the gloves off. All morlun has to do is walk up and give him a slap a few times
Also, I want to make this very clear at this point, MORLUN DRAINS LIFEFORCE. This is not decaying organic material like pestilence. Think of it like draining your soul. He is a lifeforce vampire.
Also, since he obviously won't be draining Junkpile, his hits won't feel nearly as powerful.
True about him being a mutant. False about Junkpile losing.
Really Morlun's only chance of winning is by being able to drain the energy of a metal guy (I'm pretty sure Hippy would agree with this too). I have shown that other metal guys are either impossible to drain, or at least makeit very hard to drain them. If Morlun could drain Junkpile for some crazy reason, it could very well be less drainage. Being metal could dampen this power. We've seen that his draining power isn't that fast as Peter fought him for a while, and Junkpile is smart enough to know what's happening and put Morlun down quickly.
Anothe rmajor factor is the location. Junkpile is from the future, and would not only have all the access codes and whatnot, but the tech would look like a kid's toy to him. He could easily access the Vault's systems and trap Morlun in a security lockdown.
Winner- Junkpile
*sigh* you always gotta be difficult don't you?
fair enough. I tried to purge most of the Morlun storyline form my head.
See last post for why I disagree.
Because Doom can only get his info from people when they shout it from the heavens? He has one of the most meticulous information databases on earth, and now it is combined with 2099's SHIELD database. The fact that Morlun is somewhat mystical makes it even more likely that Doom would want to know about him. He technically killed Spider-man, Doom would search for all inof on this guy to find out who and what he is, and he would find it, whether it si on this realm or others.
yo uknow the drill...see last post blah blah blah...
Okay, so basically this entire debate depends on one thign, Whether or not Morlun can drain Junkpile, and if he can drain him fast enough before Junkpile beats/kills/locks him up.Again, physical durability means nothing against Morlun's power.
Put it this way: Could rogue beat up Juggs? No, but she could drain him easily enough
Read any bio on Junkpile and it will say techno-ORGANIC. He is a mutant, not a robot. He is alive so his lifeforce can be drained.
The problem with this is that with every punch from Morlun Junkpile gets weaker and morlun gets stronger. Equally with every punch from Junkpile Morlun takes damage, but Junkpile gets weaker and Morlun absorbs that lost lifeforce to heal himself.
Have you ever played an RPG?
There's usually a spell called lifetap. This transfers life from the enemy into the caster, hurting the enemy and healing the caster. Ok, now imagine a warrior who's throwing out a beating being able to do this while attacking normally. As the fight goes on morlun gets stronger and Junkpile gets weaker.
Now, I have given a comic where Colossus has in fact shown to be immune to Rogue's energy absorption show it could be assumed that Junkpile is too. Has Junkpile ever shown this ability? Not that I know of, HOWEVER, Morlun has never shown the ability to absorb someone who is made of metal either, so it is a wash. Ther eis also the possiblity that being metal will just make it harder for Morlun to absorb him. If this is the case, remember that Junkpile will be made out of Adamantium, teh toughest of metals taht always makes everythign even more difficult to accomplish.
There's not IMO really much more to say about this since this is the only real debate we have to this match.
I will add that Morlun sucks. He was in a terrible Spider-man storyline and rumor has it that he often has sex with goats (Hippy took the pictures)
Winner- Junkpile
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But equally she DID manage to drain him in fall of the mutants. You can't ask these questions in the stupid question thread and not expect me to see them. Also you can't ignore one piece of continuity in favour of the one which supports your argument.
Only problem with this is that if anything I would say morlun's powers are more developed. Morlun does his draining through punching etc, short bursts seconds at a time. Whereas rogue needs prolonged physical contact. Whenever rogue drains someone she places her hands on them and has to keep them there. This would suggest that morlun's energy draining is more powerful than rogue's.
See above for why it will
Speculation. Cyclops can use concussive force blasts, so can jack of hearts. Does this mean cyc can fly and survive in the vacuum of space...NO
Again you can't just ignore one example in favour of another that suits your case. Morlun can and will drain him.
1. Peter was a totem and therefore had significantly more of this eneergy in him than your average mutant.
2. The only way to take morlun out is to wait him out for 3-4 days or infect your energy with radioation. Junkpile will have neither option available to him so he can't beat morlun
3. as with one, if anything morlun could drain him quicker. Drink a pint of milk, now drink half a pint. Which took longer?
He wouldn't know to do this, he'd just see a guy with old looking clothing, possibly figure he's a vampire and going looking to beat him up. By the time he realises that this is not the case he will be too weak to get away. Morlun has beyond superhuman stamina, he quick and he's powerful. Junkpile wouldn't get close enough to input any codes or initiate lockdowns.
WINNER: MORLUN!
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Just for you sweety :heart:
Irrespective, it's still in continuity
See my last post for why you're wrong
1. Why would doom keep info on someone who's been dead for a hundred years?
2. If doom had info he would have had it while morlun was still alive, yet the two have never had any interaction. Doom thirsts for power, he'd either want someone as powerful as Morlun by his side, or seek to take that power. No association between the two has EVER been stated or shown.
3. Aside from pete and MJ there were no witnesses, so tell me again about the various instances where pete has decided to tell the world about his various battles and who he's faced. Oh yeah, this was back when he had a secret identity to protect. Sorry just not buying it.
Still doesn't make it correct
Again without radiation or 3-4 days worth of fight in him Junkpile CANNOT BEAT HIM. morlun has had fights that lasted a week, show me one example of Junkpile doing the same
But you've also ommitted other appearances where he HASN'T had this resistance. Personally I've got to go with weight of numbers on this one.
Again I'll say, while he is made of metal he is TECHNO ORGANIC. If colossus could sucumb to someone who attacks organics last week I think Morlun would be just fine and perfectly capable of draining piotr's energy
Agreed but I am now happier with the debate as ALL of the info has been made available.
The feeble cries of a desperate man
WINNER: MORLUN!
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just realised I may have come across as a bit hostile in this debate, not my intention. Good luck to you ky and great debate as always
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🌎 Discussion: Animal Rights, Animal Abuse, ASPCA, PETA and Other Animal Issues (4 Viewers)- Latest: blueharvest