Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Mr. Fantastic (if this had been a populated area, I might have voted differently)
Morlun (tough choice)
Sersi (Vargas is a little overpowered. Shame to lose such a badass character)
Senyaka (I think Blackbolt could take it if debated, but KY convinced me)
 
Senyaka

Junkpile - (Tough one. Great debate though.)

Reed Richards

Vargas - (Dude killed Psylocke and almost killed Beast at the same time! I don't think he'll get many votes; but, I think he takes this match.)
 
Vargas
Junkpile - I am not sure Morlun can absorb what junkpile will be composed of
Stretchy
Senyaka
 
Morlun

Sersi (All kinds of ownage)

Senyaka (debate = win)

Mr. Fantastic (deate = win)
 
Current Results
Mr. Fantastic leads The Controller 5-0
Morlun leads Junkpile 3-2
Sersi leads Vargas 3-2
Senyaka leads Blackbolt 5-0
 
I like that I didn't have to read any of the deabtes in this thread because I was in all of them.

Junkpile
Sersi
Reed Richard
Senyaka


Oh, and no worries Hippy, you didn't come off as harsh or anything, you just debated with your usual lovable wit. I expected nothing less :up:
 
Final Results
Mr. Fantastic defeats The Controller 7-0
Morlun defeats Junkpile 4-3
Sersi defeats Vargas 5-2
Senyaka defeats Blackbolt 7-0
 
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BRACKET 7,

Match 15:

Garokk (KYTRIGGER) bio

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vs.

Firestar (DARTHPHERE) bio

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Match 16:

Callisto (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

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vs.

Luke Cage (PRIMEMOVER) bio

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BRACKET 8,

Match 15:

Selene (KYTRIGGER) bio

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vs.

Vision (AHURA MAZDA) bio

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Match 16:

War (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

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vs.

Scream (ZOKEN) bio

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BRACKET 8,

Match 15:

Selene (KYTRIGGER) bio

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vs.

Vision (AHURA MAZDA) bio

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Well this seems like an interesting battle between a mutant vampire and an Avenger. Both characters have faced each other in the past so they will know of each other. Regarding the location......(I need to know what it is first)

Selene most often attacks using her life draining powers but she will know this will not work given Vision is a synthezoid with no organic parts.

This will essentially be a battle where Vision using his density powers will find Selene while being invisible and will incapicitate her before she can attack him using his famous hand through head strategy.

Vision is faster, stronger, more intelligent and does have the capacity to alter his density to either being invisible and insubstantial to being a daimond hard entity weighing many tons.

Selene is extremely powerful when facing organics but does have a weakness against artificial being as she does need the life energy to use her powers to the extreme which she would have to do to have a chance against the Vision.

Note to Kytrigger: I reserve the right to modify this once I know the location especially if it is in somewhere technical
 
Match 16:

War (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

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vs.

Scream (ZOKEN) bio

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Ok, at first I thought this one would be tough for War to win, but then I realized something. War has the power to make concussive blasts and explosions. Scream, like all of the symbiotes, is vulerable to loud noises. The concussive blasts are loud enough to make Scream 'sream' (pardon the lame pun) for mercy. Using his powers to severly weaken or even remove the symbiote from the host, the match would end rather quickly. War would have no problem killing Scream in her weakened state, and if the symbiote retreats off or into the host because of the blasts, I believe that may be enough to count as a victory. After all the match is against Scream, not against her human host.

Winner: War
 
Garokk (KYTRIGGER) bio

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vs.

Firestar (DARTHPHERE) bio

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Interesting match-up here.

Firestar can control microwave radiation. This means she can make thigns hot enough to melt basically. SHe can also disrupt electronic devices and block telepaths. She can also fly and is strong enough to lift Colossus.

Garok is immortal. He can shoot beams if heat, light and concussive blasts from his eyes. He can also open up portals large enough to transport an entire city. He can also turn into energy and has great enough matter amnipulation to change the entire Savage Land. Normally he is made of stone giving him super-strength and resistance.

The location really gives Firestar troubles. Since there are many people around, she will have to hold back a lot of her power making it extremely difficult for her to even hurt Garokk. Garokk on teh other hand can still hurt her with his concussive blasts at least, and his matter manipulation.

Another thign to note is that Garokk could also just transport half the city away. That is a very large area, and would be almost impossible for Firestar to get away from in time. She can fly, but she isn't as fast as some fliers are.


Winner- Garokk
 
Selene (KYTRIGGER) bio

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vs.

Vision (AHURA MAZDA) bio

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Yet another good match this week.

Vision is a computer android that can alter his density to become intangible or extremely dense. He can alos fly and can shoot energy beams form his forehead.

Selene has a huge list of powers.

She has immortality, telepathy, telekinesis, superstrength, can absorb lifeforces, flight, VAST black magic abilities, and fire manipulation.

Her magic is so strong that the ancient Sorcerer Kulan Gath was afraid of her.

Prep time, both are equal. Both would get info on the other. Vision would have the Avengers computer, and Selene is the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club and would be able to use their vast resources.

Now, teh location is a huge advantage for Selene. First off there are plenty of peope around for her to drain which heals her in seconds. Secondly, Vision can't go nuts on her bolasting away at everythign because of all the people that could potentially be injured or killed. he will still have to show restraint, and also probably have to help save innocents as cars explode near them and whatnot leaving him rather busy.

Now Selene won't go looking for a straight up fist fight, it's not her style, plus it would be difficult to anyway since Vision can become intangible. Instead, she will start using her dark magic.

This is something vision is very susceptible to. Even if he is hard as a diamond or intangible, he could still easily be incapacitated by a mystical spell. It's technology vs. magic.

Take into account that Selene is more than willing to kill Vision and she has a damn good chance.

Also, this is form wikipedia:
Even as an artificial lifeform, however, the Vision's mind has been shown to be "close enough" to human to be affected by telepathy
This could also definately sway the battle over to Selene as she is a telepath.

Selene has just too many options in this battle and Vision is too hindered by the innocent people.


Winner- Selene
 
Yet another good match this week.

I agree that this is a good battle.

Vision is a computer android that can alter his density to become intangible or extremely dense. He can also fly and can shoot energy beams form his forehead.

He is also superhumanly strong and fast. He is considerably stronger then Selene who can lift 1500 pounds. At normal density, Vision is class 60.

Selene has a huge list of powers.

She has immortality, telepathy, telekinesis, superstrength, can absorb lifeforces, flight, VAST black magic abilities, and fire manipulation.

She is at best a mid level telepath not even as strong as Ikaris who is conderably weaker then individuals like Cable, Emm Frost or Rachel Grey. Her telekinetics are on the same scale. She needs to drain an individual to take over their mind. This is what Marvel says about her telepathic abilities:

"Selene is a mutant with various superhuman attributes. She sustains herself by psionically draining the life force of other human beings into herself. Because of this, she is often referred to as a vampire, although she is not a true supernatural vampire, like Dracula. If she drains a person's entire life force from him of her, the victim dies and the victim's body crumbles into dust. If Selene drains only part of victim's life force, Selene achieves a measure of psychic control over her victim's mind. Through unknown means, Selene can also cause a human being to become a psychic vampire like herself, but be subordinate to Selene's own will."

She does not take over people's minds like other telepaths such as Prof X or Emma Frost.

Regarding her magical abilities, the word vast is based on the one comment by Kulan Gath in an x-men comic when he said she was a threat. She has never had "vast" magical abilities. Dr. Strange, Belasco, or baron Mordro would wipe the floor with her. Her magical abilities have never been vast and marvel does not even state them as a power she has.

Another thing to note:

"It is known that great expenditure of power causes Selene to age, but she can rejuvenate herself by absorbing more life force."

Prep time, both are equal. Both would get info on the other. Vision would have the Avengers computer, and Selene is the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club and would be able to use their vast resources.[

I do not agree for the Avengers have much greater resources then the Hellfire Club. And the knowledge would allow the Vision to prepare in a way to make him immune to any type of telepathy. He would also be very wary of any and all the powers of Slene that he would know extremely well.


Now, teh location is a huge advantage for Selene. First off there are plenty of peope around for her to drain which heals her in seconds. Secondly, Vision can't go nuts on her bolasting away at everythign because of all the people that could potentially be injured or killed. he will still have to show restraint, and also probably have to help save innocents as cars explode near them and whatnot leaving him rather busy.

Yes she will be able to feed but when she does she is distracted and the Vision can surprise her while she is feeding. And there is no way she can heal fast enough from a hand through the brain. She will be unconscious. Also, lets not forget that this place is a city with technology and vision could merge with its systems. He could be everywhere and anywhere. She will not find him unless the Vision wants to and if he has to, he will use all the forces of the place which he can command digitally to bring her down.

Now Selene won't go looking for a straight up fist fight, it's not her style, plus it would be difficult to anyway since Vision can become intangible. Instead, she will start using her dark magic.


This is something vision is very susceptible to. Even if he is hard as a diamond or intangible, he could still easily be incapacitated by a mystical spell. It's technology vs. magic.[/quote]

She has never been a great master of dark magic. She can do magic but not something that will affect a very big area. And unless she sees Vision, she cannot cast magic on him. She has never shown any great sorceress abilities that make you presume she could do an all encompassing spell. All of this is based one statement in one comic or two (x-men 191-192) where she was considered a threat to Kulan Gath. Surprisingly, however, none of the other great magicians ever think of her as a threat.

Take into account that Selene is more than willing to kill Vision and she has a damn good chance.

This could also definately sway the battle over to Selene as she is a telepath.

Selene has just too many options in this battle and Vision is too hindered by the innocent people.

Vision is will do what is necessary to win and he will know exactly of all of Selene's powers. He has faced her before (the Avengers were featured in the x-men 191-192 comics). He will be perfectly prepared for this battle and the prep time willl allow him to make sure he is immune at least to telepathy which based on the above is in doubt. He has no life force for her to drain.

Plus when she is feeding, she cannot do other things and as such Vision can surprise her. One chance is it all it would take as she has no defense against a hand through her barin.


Winner- Vision
 
War Vs. Scream

I don't think he gets as big an advantage from those explosions. She isn't weakened by loud noises, They are weakened by sonics. this is always done with long sustained noises. church bells chiming and rining, sonic beam emitters. Explosions in open areas are not going to be sufficient. Her powers will allow her to literally take War apart, peice by peice. she may have done some time with the angels, but she is still very much a devil. She'll kill him, especially if he tries to hurt her.
 
LOCATION: MADRIPOOR

Madripoor is apparently based on Singapore; they are both south Asian island port nations with a single major city. Its official name is the Principality of Madripoor, and its capital and single large city is Madripoor, which is divided between wealthy Hightown and impoverished, crime-ridden Lowtown. This serves to represent the extreme social inequality in Madripoor, described as "A place for the very rich and the very poor".
Madripoor was once a haven for pirates, and that tradition is somewhat continued today with its lawless quality; the Principality does not allow other nations to extradite criminals. However, it is one of the business capitals of the Pacific Rim, with its own Trade Center.
Other locations of note in the Central Business District are the Bank of Hong Kong and the Bank of Malaysia, luxurious Sovereign Hotel, and the Prince's Palace, said to rival Versailles.
 
Luke Cage vs. Callisto - opening remarks

Luke Cage is a pimp with superstrength, extremely high durability, enhanced stamina and enhanced healing.

Callisto is part broad, part squid.

They would both know about eachother, as both have been part of well known teams.

Madripoor would not really benifit either, as no matter how grey their superhero status might, neither would put the populace in danger purposely.


The key here is Callisto has never tangled with anybody with the strength and durability level of Luke Cage, and none of her attacks will do any damage either. Eventually Luke Cage will get close enough to her and let go with a haymaker knocking her out.


Winner: Luke Cage
 
War Vs. Scream

I don't think he gets as big an advantage from those explosions. She isn't weakened by loud noises, They are weakened by sonics. this is always done with long sustained noises. church bells chiming and rining, sonic beam emitters. Explosions in open areas are not going to be sufficient. Her powers will allow her to literally take War apart, peice by peice. she may have done some time with the angels, but she is still very much a devil. She'll kill him, especially if he tries to hurt her.

This is soully a rebuttal. Please write an official write up separate from this.

Thank you.
 
I agree that this is a good battle.

He is also superhumanly strong and fast. He is considerably stronger then Selene who can lift 1500 pounds. At normal density, Vision is class 60.
Right, I agree that he is much stronger than her. But she isn't going to go into the match slugging, that simply isn't her style. Her sheer physical power is probably th ethign she relies on the least.

And while Vision is fast, she can actually speed up to the level of Quicksilver (old version). This does drain her quite a bit, but there are PLENTY of people around to quickly regain any lost power.

She is at best a mid level telepath not even as strong as Ikaris who is conderably weaker then individuals like Cable, Emm Frost or Rachel Grey. Her telekinetics are on the same scale. She needs to drain an individual to take over their mind. This is what Marvel says about her telepathic abilities:

"Selene is a mutant with various superhuman attributes. She sustains herself by psionically draining the life force of other human beings into herself. Because of this, she is often referred to as a vampire, although she is not a true supernatural vampire, like Dracula. If she drains a person's entire life force from him of her, the victim dies and the victim's body crumbles into dust. If Selene drains only part of victim's life force, Selene achieves a measure of psychic control over her victim's mind. Through unknown means, Selene can also cause a human being to become a psychic vampire like herself, but be subordinate to Selene's own will."
Right, and I never meant to mean she was a high level telepath like Frost or someone. What I meant was that she can defiantely track Vision with her psychic awareness. It could very easily let her get the drop on Vision, or at least know where he is at all times.

You do bring up another good point though. She does have control over people she drains (if she doesn't kill them of course). This means that she can take teh thousands upon thousands of people in the area and basically make herself an army. While these people woudl most liekyl not be able to really harm Vision, it does make a rather annoying set up for him. He is beign attacked by thosuands of innocents that he can't really fight back against, because they are just under a spell and he could seriously injure or even kill them. Selene on the other hand would gladly send a thousand people to mess with Vision, and then trap them all in anothe rdimension killing everyone, inclusing Vision.

Remember, she has been doing this for centuries, she is pretty good at battle prep and overall wilyness (yo ucan't become black queen without it).

She does not take over people's minds like other telepaths such as Prof X or Emma Frost.
true, she does not (unlesss she absorbs them) but she could still track him possibly.

Regarding her magical abilities, the word vast is based on the one comment by Kulan Gath in an x-men comic when he said she was a threat. She has never had "vast" magical abilities. Dr. Strange, Belasco, or baron Mordro would wipe the floor with her. Her magical abilities have never been vast and marvel does not even state them as a power she has.
??? From Marvel.com (powers section)
She can also wield magic to a devastating affect and can use it for various uses.
And yes her vast magic was brought about because a very powerful magic user said she had it. How does that make it less true? Does she probably have the power of Strange or Mordo? probably not, but the mere fact that Kulan Gath found her a threat shows that she does have quite a bit a power. being a level below Strange isn't really that bad. It still makes you ridiculously powerful.

Another thing to note:

"It is known that great expenditure of power causes Selene to age, but she can rejuvenate herself by absorbing more life force."
Right, and there will be thousadns of peopel there for her ot keep feeding on.

Another thign to note is that when she feeds, she can turn them to dust in mere seconds. It does not take her long to feed or anything, especially if she tries to feed off a couple of people at once.

I do not agree for the Avengers have much greater resources then the Hellfire Club. And the knowledge would allow the Vision to prepare in a way to make him immune to any type of telepathy. He would also be very wary of any and all the powers of Slene that he would know extremely well.
And she would be able to do the same. They (the Hellfire Club) have faced off before with the Avengers I believe so she will know all about him as well. She is a very experienced fighter and can definately come up with a way to get past Vision's "hadn through head" trick. Prep time is very valuable for tech people like Vision, but it is just as powerful for magic users like Selene. Whatever transporting/entrapment spells (or whatever else) she needs she will be able to get fully prepared for.


Yes she will be able to feed but when she does she is distracted and the Vision can surprise her while she is feeding. And there is no way she can heal fast enough from a hand through the brain. She will be unconscious. Also, lets not forget that this place is a city with technology and vision could merge with its systems. He could be everywhere and anywhere. She will not find him unless the Vision wants to and if he has to, he will use all the forces of the place which he can command digitally to bring her down.
Well her feeding takes all of 2 seconds, and she has teh speed of Quicksilver when she wants to. Vision has to actually catch her to use his trick.

Also, this is from Wiki:
In more recent appearances Selene has been depicted as a being of semi-substantial living darkness, able to appear and disappear at will and imprison people in the dark energy she is composed of.[/QUOTE] It's quiote possible that since she is seemingly composed of living darkenss that his entire hand thign won't even work. She is obviously not a normal human/mutant and her biology may mess with his plans.

Also, what tech is Vision going to take over to bring her down? I highly doubt a hotel's dsl line and a bank's security system is going to do anythign at all to stop her. If this was a high tech base or prison, then I could see it posing a problem, but this is a normal city.

She has never been a great master of dark magic. She can do magic but not something that will affect a very big area. And unless she sees Vision, she cannot cast magic on him. She has never shown any great sorceress abilities that make you presume she could do an all encompassing spell. All of this is based one statement in one comic or two (x-men 191-192) where she was considered a threat to Kulan Gath. Surprisingly, however, none of the other great magicians ever think of her as a threat.
Well most sites state that most of the powers she has shown aren't her mutant ability, but her actually using magic. I mean she has a huge amount of powers, so if most of those are magic, then she has shown quite a bit of it actually. And I still don't see how Kulan Gath stating she is a threat to him is a little thing. As far as I know, he only real high level magic user we have ever seen her encounter finds her a threat. The reason she has never been brought up by Strange or anyone doesn't mean she still isn't powerful, just that she's more of an obscure character.

Vision is will do what is necessary to win and he will know exactly of all of Selene's powers. He has faced her before (the Avengers were featured in the x-men 191-192 comics). He will be perfectly prepared for this battle and the prep time willl allow him to make sure he is immune at least to telepathy which based on the above is in doubt. He has no life force for her to drain.
And she knows she can't drain him, and won't even try to. She does have magical abilities, which are extremely hard to defend against sine she can do so many different things with them.

An Vision will not do what it takes, not if tht means killign the hundreds of innocent people she has turned into slaves to beat her. Vision would let himself die before he did that.

The location is just too much for Vision to overcome. She has an almost unlimited source to feed off of so she won't run out of power, and she can have an army of innocents to really mess with Vision. Take into account that she is actually part living shadow and doesn't have the normal biology of a person, and the fact that she does wield very powerful magic and Vision just has too many things going against him.


Winner- Selene
 
Right, I agree that he is much stronger than her. But she isn't going to go into the match slugging, that simply isn't her style. Her sheer physical power is probably th ethign she relies on the least.

I do agre but it still means that he would have the upper hand in a physical battle.

And while Vision is fast, she can actually speed up to the level of Quicksilver (old version). This does drain her quite a bit, but there are PLENTY of people around to quickly regain any lost power.

Everytime she feeds she will be bringing attention to herself and the inccocent people will not stand idly by. This place has police and such and they will use all their weaponry against a person who is turning people into dust. She is vulnerable to bullets, isn't she?

Right, and I never meant to mean she was a high level telepath like Frost or someone. What I meant was that she can defiantely track Vision with her psychic awareness. It could very easily let her get the drop on Vision, or at least know where he is at all times.

First off, I just wanted to be clear and unfortunately for me, I did bring up a point for you :(. However, I am not sure her psychic awareness would allow her to penetrate the cloak of invisibility when he goes completely insubtantial.

You do bring up another good point though. She does have control over people she drains (if she doesn't kill them of course). This means that she can take teh thousands upon thousands of people in the area and basically make herself an army. While these people woudl most liekyl not be able to really harm Vision, it does make a rather annoying set up for him. He is beign attacked by thosuands of innocents that he can't really fight back against, because they are just under a spell and he could seriously injure or even kill them. Selene on the other hand would gladly send a thousand people to mess with Vision, and then trap them all in anothe rdimension killing everyone, inclusing Vision.

Regarding the people they would not even see the Vision as he could walk right through them. They would not be even an annoyance to him. However, the more she drains the more people will take notice. The city being populated works both ways, it may give you a supply of individuals but it will also mean that there are authoritive figures there ready to protect order and as such a person killing off people and creating slaves ot of others will gain notice and authorities will go for the kill in such a case. They would be more annoying to her then to him.

Remember, she has been doing this for centuries, she is pretty good at battle prep and overall wilyness (yo ucan't become black queen without it).

true, she does not (unlesss she absorbs them) but she could still track him possibly.

??? From Marvel.com (powers section)

I took it from the marvel directory site. Check it out yourself. I was just noting that her magical abilities seem to be something recent. Just like that before X-men 191 she was a few hundred years old and then all of a sudden she is now old enough to have seen Conan in his heyday :rolleyes:

And yes her vast magic was brought about because a very powerful magic user said she had it. How does that make it less true? Does she probably have the power of Strange or Mordo? probably not, but the mere fact that Kulan Gath found her a threat shows that she does have quite a bit a power. being a level below Strange isn't really that bad. It still makes you ridiculously powerful.

You bring about a very interesting point. How accurate is statements made by individuals when describing others. Fury stated the Hulk would adapt to space and everybody on this site said it was bogus and not verifiable. You have Spidey who claims he could kill the Hulk based on his battle with Digger, and yet I doubt this could happen given in WWH he will probably get creamed. Plus Kulan Gath was a sorceror from the Hyborian age and his power was not measured against the power of Strange. For all we know, he could have been senile or thinking the threat was due to her life draining powers and his weakness to dark haired women.

Right, and there will be thousadns of peopel there for her ot keep feeding on.

Right and when she feeds he will be there to take her out and as she feeds people will be turning on her causing her great distraction.

Another thign to note is that when she feeds, she can turn them to dust in mere seconds. It does not take her long to feed or anything, especially if she tries to feed off a couple of people at once.

It takes here a few seconds which is all he would need but one thing to note is that you have a populated city with a person turning others to dust.....I think that would cause a certain reaction from the general public.

And she would be able to do the same. They (the Hellfire Club) have faced off before with the Avengers I believe so she will know all about him as well. She is a very experienced fighter and can definately come up with a way to get past Vision's "hadn through head" trick. Prep time is very valuable for tech people like Vision, but it is just as powerful for magic users like Selene. Whatever transporting/entrapment spells (or whatever else) she needs she will be able to get fully prepared for.

She has never been a great preparer of spells before, at least not that often in the comics. Why would she now? I do agree that they would know each other.

Well her feeding takes all of 2 seconds, and she has teh speed of Quicksilver when she wants to. Vision has to actually catch her to use his trick.

If he is completely insubstantial he could potentially stand next to her and wait. He could have devices which even help keep him completely undetectable.

Also, this is from Wiki:
In more recent appearances Selene has been depicted as a being of semi-substantial living darkness, able to appear and disappear at will and imprison people in the dark energy she is composed of.[/QUOTE] It's quiote possible that since she is seemingly composed of living darkenss that his entire hand thign won't even work. She is obviously not a normal human/mutant and her biology may mess with his plans.

I saw that and ask how recent it is. it may be in a story line which is disallowed in this contest.

Also, what tech is Vision going to take over to bring her down? I highly doubt a hotel's dsl line and a bank's security system is going to do anythign at all to stop her. If this was a high tech base or prison, then I could see it posing a problem, but this is a normal city.

This place does have a trade center and I imagine some type of defense system. If it is out there he will find it. If nothing else, it would be perfect camouflage.

Well most sites state that most of the powers she has shown aren't her mutant ability, but her actually using magic. I mean she has a huge amount of powers, so if most of those are magic, then she has shown quite a bit of it actually. And I still don't see how Kulan Gath stating she is a threat to him is a little thing. As far as I know, he only real high level magic user we have ever seen her encounter finds her a threat. The reason she has never been brought up by Strange or anyone doesn't mean she still isn't powerful, just that she's more of an obscure character.

Strange seems to encounter or at least have the knowledge of any sorceror of abilty. She did not even participate in the tournament where Doom placed second. We have one writer who created this whole premise which is barely seen anywhere else. And one other thing, she is the Black Queen and anything but obscure.

And she knows she can't drain him, and won't even try to. She does have magical abilities, which are extremely hard to defend against sine she can do so many different things with them.

An Vision will not do what it takes, not if tht means killign the hundreds of innocent people she has turned into slaves to beat her. Vision would let himself die before he did that.

Vision can walk through people and walls without a hitch so really the people will not be any hinderance to him, unlike what others could be to her.

The location is just too much for Vision to overcome. She has an almost unlimited source to feed off of so she won't run out of power, and she can have an army of innocents to really mess with Vision. Take into account that she is actually part living shadow and doesn't have the normal biology of a person, and the fact that she does wield very powerful magic and Vision just has too many things going against him.

First off, since when did she become part living shadow. that has to be defined for it to be used. This is stated in Wiki and nowhere else such as in the x-men bio. Individuals cannot touch, see or hear the Vision sor really an army will do nothing but note as she feeds others will take notice and this city oes ahve authoritive figures who will fight her. This will certainly be a distraction to her and not even a hinderance to him.

Winner- Vision
 
*Garokk

*Luke Cage - (Prime's had a pretty decent record in this second half. I don't look forward to debate him down the road; it's going to be tough.)

*Selene - (Tough, tough decision. Not a lot of good debates this week, but this one is excellent. I'm at a loss who would win; but in the end, Selene wins this by location.)

*Scream - (Zoken didn't give an opening debate; but, loud explosions wouldn't effect Scream, IMO.)
 

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