Cyclops Returns(Old Thread Closed)

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Meh.

Spiderman to me is typical summer action, with little essence.

X-Men has true meaning and depth behind it.

That's how I see it. Spiderman just doesn't engage me in the same way. I just don't care for the characters the same way. ****, I think Scott's death in X3 is more emotional than Uncle Ben's death in Spiderman... and I'm one of the people who hates how Cyclops' fate was handled.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Meh.

Spiderman to me is typical summer action, with little essence.

Better than screwing up epic and meaningful. Besides, a popcorn flick sucking is no big deal, really. t:

X-Men has true meaning and depth behind it.

It was meant to for sure. Refer to the screwing it up comment right above. t:

 

[Rac]

Spiderman to me is typical summer action, with little essence.

That's true. But at least it's entertaining summer action. X3 was boring as hell.

X-Men has true meaning and depth behind it.

That's true too. But so does Spider-Man, in the comics at least. The depth didn't end to the screen. Not yet, dunno about SM3.

I think Scott's death in X3 is more emotional than Uncle Ben's death in Spiderman... and I'm one of the people who hates how Cyclops' fate was handled.

Neither of those were emotional to me. Spoilzor about Blood Diamond:

Spoiler

Danny Archers death in Blood Diamond touched me. That's how you handle a death.

And btw, I don't like SM1. SM2 was hell of a movie (with certain flaws of course).

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I'm convinced Nell has lost his damn mind if X3 is better than Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2 or hell, Spidey 3 and it's not even released yet.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm convinced Nell has lost his damn mind if X3 is better than Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2 or hell, Spidey 3 and it's not even released yet.

That's fine, because I DO think that X-Men: The Last Stand is better than Spiderman and Spiderman 2, and will continue to be better than Spiderman 3.

 

[UraniaChang]

At least I can say I like Spiderman 2 better than X3, after all I didn't zone out when I watched the former, though I did think the scene of Spiderman being carried back inside the train kind of hilarious.

 

[The Batman]

What, you mean the same generic ass story done for the 3rd straight time?

Don't get me wrong, I love the Spiderman films, and I really wanna see this one, but come on, they are all the same god damn thing.

X-Men's worst is better than Spiderman's best.

X-Men 3 is a piece of garbage, and in fact, none of the x-men films were really on par with spider-man, save for X2.

Hell, X3 decided to focus on action rather than good story....and they couldnt even do that right. The harry/peter sky battle blows every,and i mean EVERY action scene in x3 away....and that was only the first action scene in the movie

Frankly, Spider-Man's tale of too much power and not enough responsibility in the third will be handled better than in x-3, which was basically the wolverine and storm show with the x-men in as cameo characters.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

X-Men 3 is a piece of garbage, and in fact, none of the x-men films were really on par with spider-man, save for X2.

Well, no, it's not really "in fact", it's "in your opinion"



But I'm sure we're just arguing semantics here, right?

 

[UraniaChang]

Everyone can have their own favorites, don't get too work up on things like this...and I saw the Batman's avatar, Batman Begins is good, too.
Obviously, solo superhero films seem to work out better than superhero group films.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

X3 better than Spidey 3?


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I'm no fan of Spidey, But Ben's death was a lot better than Scott's. Scott's death makes the Toad line in X1 seem a masterpiece. At least people get sad with Ben's death. The X-men were about to give a party after Scott was gone.

 

[UraniaChang]

Maybe Scott is the one throwing a party somewhere celebrating that he finally found a way to get rid of everyone in the mansion.

No more grading papers, no more training, no more running errands for Mr. Bald, no more evil girlfriend and Mr. Big-Bad-and-Macho.

 

[storm-x-fan]

^^ lolz!!
well, we don;t really know if cyclops si dead. and i bet he'll come abck, just like jean and professor X. lets see...

 

[storm-x-fan]

X-Men 3 is a piece of garbage, and in fact, none of the x-men films were really on par with spider-man, save for X2.

Hell, X3 decided to focus on action rather than good story....and they couldnt even do that right. The harry/peter sky battle blows every,and i mean EVERY action scene in x3 away....and that was only the first action scene in the movie

Frankly, Spider-Man's tale of too much power and not enough responsibility in the third will be handled better than in x-3, which was basically the wolverine and storm show with the x-men in as cameo characters.

well, in my oponion, x-men(comics) is not only about battle scenes. it's about-

• social problems
• political issues
• homosexual issues
• rasicm

all these were shwon in the movies, alongside action. so there were so many things 2 focus on. its really difficult. so i think x3 was a great job....

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm no fan of Spidey, But Ben's death was a lot better than Scott's. Scott's death makes the Toad line in X1 seem a masterpiece. At least people get sad with Ben's death. The X-men were about to give a party after Scott was gone.

All that was missing was a scene of people lining up to dessecrate his grave. t:

Cause we all bought that half-assed bit with Kitty & the tombstone in the end. Right, huh huh.

 

[UraniaChang]

well, in my oponion, x-men(comics) is not only about battle scenes. it's about-

• social problems
• political issues
• homosexual issues
• rasicm

all these were shwon in the movies, alongside action. so there were so many things 2 focus on. its really difficult. so i think x3 was a great job....

Yeah, X-Men is supposed to be these things, but the script writers couldn't even write these characters right, I doubt it that they could comprehend the hidden meaning of the X-Men, let alone lead the audience to see it.

 

[CapBeerCino]

I think Scott's death in X3 is more emotional than Uncle Ben's death in Spiderman...

P-lease.

When Uncle Ben died the other characters actually noticed and stuff.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

P-lease.

When Uncle Ben died the other characters actually noticed and stuff.

Well, Wolvie did. Kinda.

Of course, said noticing is kinda diluted by the making out scene, but what the hell... t:

 

[UraniaChang]

Can't let this thread on the bottom, even if it's still on the first page.

Those who don't or haven't read X-Men:Unlimited have to check this out, Cyclops is AWESOME!!!:heart:


http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/2419315.html

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I was visiting a local comic book store here in South Carolina and I picked up a couple of Astonishing X-Men issues. This store literally has every single X-Men and X-Factor comics that exists as far as I know.

My friend who owns the store and is an assistant manager at the Beacon is a huge comic book freak and I've just been reading X-Men comic after X-Men comic. He has a lot of the issues that I don't have in my posesssion.

In any case, I read Astonishing X-Men 17, which is the aftermath of Scott coming out of his coma after shooting Perfection in the back. It's truly amazing how much more of a badass he is without his powers. I wonder what prompted Joss to take this route with the character?

I hope that if another X-Men fim is done via restart or sequel we get a Scott that is a mix between Astonishing and Ultimate.

 

[Theweepeople]

P-lease.

When Uncle Ben died the other characters actually noticed and stuff.

I agree. No unbiased X-Men fan can truely believe that the emotional impact of Scott's death was handled better than Uncle Ben's after considering how Scott was barely mentioned again once he vanished while Uncle Ben was referred to in many scenes after his death. However, I will admit that Scott's death did have a greater emotional impact on me than Uncle Ben's. I've seen many films over the years and I can't think of another time when the mishandling of a prominent character's demise made me more angry.

 

[UraniaChang]

I've seen many films over the years and I can't think of another time when the mishandling of a prominent character's demise made me more angry.

That's exactly why X3 script writers suck at handling the whole story...they even can't understand that a death (or an assumed-death IMO) scene is supposed to make people feel SAD.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I agree. No unbiased X-Men fan can truely believe that the emotional impact of Scott's death was handled better than Uncle Ben's after considering how Scott was barely mentioned again once he vanished while Uncle Ben was referred to in many scenes after his death. However, I will admit that Scott's death did have a greater emotional impact on me than Uncle Ben's. I've seen many films over the years and I can't think of another time when the mishandling of a prominent character's demise made me more angry.

But... Scott didn't just vanish. He WAS mentioned again, several times...... his death was the whole reason why Jean wanted to die.....

 

[storm-x-fan]

But... Scott didn't just vanish. He WAS mentioned again, several times...... his death was the whole reason why Jean wanted to die.....

I disagree on taht. the whole reason why Phoenix died was because jean didnt want any farther destruction.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

But... Scott didn't just vanish. He WAS mentioned again, several times...... his death was the whole reason why Jean wanted to die.....

He may've been mentioned, but no one seemed to care either way. When Scott's glasses were found at the Lake, how come Logan didn't IMMEDIATELY show the Professor that he found Scott's glasses?

Why didn't the Professor ask immediately "Was there any sign of Scott?"

Your defense of the movie makes me really question how you can easily say that Scott's death was more emotional than Uncle Bens? Sure, it's a matter of opinion, but in hindsight the way it was handled was horrible and at least the message of Uncle Ben's death is a constant reminder of Peters failure to stop the robber.

The death of Scott would've had a significant impact if he was portrayed as more of a hero/leader than someone who just went off without telling anyone.

It would've been nice to have Logan possibly go back to Alkali Lake to try and track Scott down. In the end yes, he was mentioned, but it definitely seemed like they couldn't give two craps about whether he was alive or dead.

 

[Theweepeople]

He may've been mentioned, but no one seemed to care either way. When Scott's glasses were found at the Lake, how come Logan didn't IMMEDIATELY show the Professor that he found Scott's glasses?

Why didn't the Professor ask immediately "Was there any sign of Scott?"

Your defense of the movie makes me really question how you can easily say that Scott's death was more emotional than Uncle Bens? Sure, it's a matter of opinion, but in hindsight the way it was handled was horrible and at least the message of Uncle Ben's death is a constant reminder of Peters failure to stop the robber.

The death of Scott would've had a significant impact if he was portrayed as more of a hero/leader than someone who just went off without telling anyone.

It would've been nice to have Logan possibly go back to Alkali Lake to try and track Scott down. In the end yes, he was mentioned, but it definitely seemed like they couldn't give two craps about whether he was alive or dead.

This is a very weak comparison. In spider-man we get two scenes of Peter Parker crying as a result of Uncle Ben's death. In fact Ben's death was the driving force behind 90% of Peter Parker's actions throughout the rest of the film. Before Ben died Parker was using his power for his own benefit. Parker's decisions to use his power for the greater good in the second and third act of spider-man are clearly motivated by some of Ben's last words(With great power comes great responsibility).

The only purpose Cyclops death seemed to serve in X3 was shock value. I was shocked at how Jean could kill the man she loved in the first act of sequel after sacrificing her life for the same man at the end of the previous film. If Cyclops death was meant to have an emotional impact then how come there is no official confirmation that he is dead until the end when we see his grave. There are only two instances in X3 where the fate of Scott is questioned(Xavier and Wolverine). Why don't we see any other characters besides Jean grieving as a result of his death? Does Jean even know that he is dead? Why don't we get a scene of Charles crying for Scott? Storm knew Scott well so why don't we get a scene of her crying for Scott? Furthermore, did Charles even use his telepathetic powers on Jean to determine what happened to Scott. If he used his telepathetic powers did he bother to share this information with the other X-characters because for some inexplicable reason Scott's fate is completely ignored after Jean leaves the mansion? He was one of Charles best friends yet he isn't even mentioned at Xavier's funeral? Horrible writing and bad filmmaking at it's best.