Cyclops Returns(Old Thread Closed)

[LMason]

Jimmy is supposed to be appearing with his Ally McBeal co-star Josh Hopkins at Lollapalooza this weekend. Josh Hopkins is the actor that appeared as the dumb actor in Love & Sex with Famke, among his other film roles. He does these dark humored songs, most of which aren't that funny to me (he's almost 40 but very in touch with his inner frat boy), but hey, they have a following, enough to get him booked at Lollapalooza. You can check out his myspace page www.myspace.com/hopkinsjosh There have been a few candids on there of Jimmy every now and then.

 

[taintedFB]

Don't forget to vote in the new manip comp!

 

[Bastila]

Don't forget to vote in the new manip comp!

Done and dusted good luck, I love your one its what X3 should have been.

 

[taintedFB]

Thanks!

Here's my final X3 Finale Manip:

 

[UraniaChang]

Nice manip, thanks for sharing, but maybe you could push Cyclops , Beat and Logan a little further back, a lttle more distance will make this manip more real imho, just a suggestion, hope you don't mind.


There's a scan about James from Marie Claire Magazine which I found at JAMES MARSDEN WEB

But for the millionth time, Cyclops is NOT the odd man out in the Scott-Jean/Logan mess!!

 

[Bishop2]

But for the millionth time, Cyclops is NOT the odd man out in the Scott-Jean/Logan mess!!

He is in the movies. For some damn reason.

 

[taintedFB]

I know. That was Fox's big debacle. At least they never had Jean profess her love to Logan. He says I love you. She never says it back. I love that. It actually makes him look kinda pathetic... dude, she doesn't love you, she loves Scott!

 

[taintedFB]

Nice manip, thanks for sharing, but maybe you could push Cyclops , Beat and Logan a little further back, a lttle more distance will make this manip more real imho, just a suggestion, hope you don't mind.

Hey I respect everyone's opinion. I feel I'm kind of done doing those X3 final battle scenes. That was the exact distance of the original image from X2 between Scott and Jean (same photoshop layer). So I'd rather not move him around too much...

I'm trying to think of other scenes to put Cyclops in....

 

[Bishop2]

I know. That was Fox's big debacle. At least they never had Jean profess her love to Logan. He says I love you. She never says it back. I love that. It actually makes him look kinda pathetic... dude, she doesn't love you, she loves Scott!

He IS pathetic. It's part of my big problems with Logan even in the comics - he's a tool who refused to take rejection like a man. For god's sake, he's basically hung up on Jean because he once accidentally killed an ex-girlfriend who looked just like her. That's pitiful as hell. In the movies, he claims to be in love with her because... because what? He barely knows her! We literally see ALL THE TIME they have together on-screen in the first two films, and from that he's in love with her? Dude, just because you're hard up for her doesn't mean you love her.

 

[taintedFB]

I know. With him, it's just physical, but he's always been considered a bit of an animal. He doesn't know physical attraction from real love. At least you felt genuine emotion between Scott & Jean.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I know. That was Fox's big debacle. At least they never had Jean profess her love to Logan. He says I love you. She never says it back. I love that. It actually makes him look kinda pathetic... dude, she doesn't love you, she loves Scott!

I agree. It's kind of what gets me through the day with the ending of X-Men: The Last Stand - the love between Cyclops and Jean wasn't put to the forefront the way it should have been, but it was still the whole reason why she wanted to die, because of what she did to Scott, and because of her love for him. So it wasn't done right, but in it's own way, it still at least kept it right.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

It's just a pity that, yes, the fans remember and know she never said she loved Logan, yes, we remember that she only goes crazy when Professor mentions Scott. She cries and asks to die when Logan mentions Scott. For us, we can see her real love IS Scott, despite their time together.

Unfortunately, the general audience remember their hot kiss in X2 (way hotter than any Scott/Jean kiss), they remember their almost sex scene in the lab. That speaks a lot to the eyes, and thus, for them, Jean seems to like Logan more...

 

[UraniaChang]

Unfortunately, the general audience remember their hot kiss in X2 (way hotter than any Scott/Jean kiss), they remember their almost sex scene in the lab. That speaks a lot to the eyes, and thus, for them, Jean seems to like Logan more...

That so-called hot kiss and almost sex scene only gets both of them bad names from the general audience of where I live.

kissing someone's girl/boyfriend is definitely not the way to define and prove 'love' in everyone's mind who has the common sense.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

That so-called hot kiss and almost sex scene only gets both of them bad names from the general audience of where I live.

kissing someone's girl/boyfriend is definitely not the way to define and prove 'love' in everyone's mind who has the common sense.

Her scenes with Scott (especially on the beginning of X2, when she gives Scott a "saltless" kiss and then smile to Logan...) show she's not really that "excited" to be with him...

Most "general audience" people I know think Scott is the loser, and some have said Jean stays with him for convenience.

I don't see it that way, but some people do. Even James Marsden seems to. As I said, a pity.

 

[taintedFB]

James knows Cyclops was low man on the totem pole in the movies. He knew that they would always focus on Logan. That's not to say that he isn't aware of Scott's role with Jean in the comics... I know he did research because he's been to the comic shop I go to... not when I'm there...Would have loved to meet him though...

Working on a new manips for the comp.... guess who's in them?

 

[Loganbabe]

I know. With him, it's just physical, but he's always been considered a bit of an animal. He doesn't know physical attraction from real love. At least you felt genuine emotion between Scott & Jean.

That's pathetic. Why is that Logan can't feel "real love"? In the comics, there were the women he loved dearly like Mariko and Silver Fox (both, btw, looked nothing like Rose), and Jean of course. In the movies, there was the physical attraction he felt for Jean at first, but why is that impossible that physical attraction can't turn into love? Why there must be a clear divison between "Real Love" and "Physical Attraction"? Ridiculous!
I would never deny Jean's love for Scott and Scott's love for Jean, but all this talking that Wolverine is just an animal who can't love only shows me how much Cyclops' fans misunderstand and hate Logan. Which is kinda funny, because that kind of animosity towards Cyke never appears on the Wolverine boards I post.

 

[Bishop2]

That's pathetic. Why is that Logan can't feel "real love"? In the comics, there were the women he loved dearly like Mariko and Silver Fox (both, btw, looked nothing like Rose), and Jean of course. In the movies, there was the physical attraction he felt for Jean at first, but why is that impossible that physical attraction can't turn into love? Why there must be a clear divison between "Real Love" and "Physical Attraction"? Ridiculous!
I would never deny Jean's love for Scott and Scott's love for Jean, but all this talking that Wolverine is just an animal who can't love only shows me how much Cyclops' fans misunderstand and hate Logan. Which is kinda funny, because that kind of animosity towards Cyke never appears on the Wolverine boards I post.

We literally see every single moment Logan spends with Jean on-screen. If he somehow fell in love with her during the, um, week or so they spend together while he thinks she's hot and she makes it clear they share nothing in common, he's just insane. I'd prefer to believe that he's deluding himself that his lust is love, not that he's actually capable of falling at the blink of an eye.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Okay, I've stayed quiet long enough on this subject. But now it's time for me to educate those who clearly misunderstand our stance on the Wolverine/Cyclops/Jean triangle.

One thing the films did do is stay true to the love triangle. Yes, in the comics and the animated series Logan was attracted to Jean, yes he did love her and always resented the fact that Cyclops had her. I think we all can agree that part they got right in the movies.

However, it seems Logan comes across as more of a love sick lonely puppy than someone who is strong and wouldn't force himself on a woman. Hence why so many fans are shocked by the deviation of his character in X3. In X2, at the end of the film, he accepts her decision without coming across as needy or creepy.

He made a choice by accepting the path he chose for himself and that Jean did truly love Scott. Now, with X3 it seems it goes back to square one and he's continually trying to hound her again. Perhaps it would've been better or added more emotional impact had they kept Scott in the film. Bottom line is Logan comes across as a needy creepy stalker, rather than someone who is honorable, true to his word, and accepts the fact that the woman he supposedly "loves" didn't love him in return.

I won't say he comes across as pathetic at all. X1/X2 Logan are very faithful to his comic book counterparts.

 

[UraniaChang]

yes he did love her and always resented the fact that Cyclops had her.

This is one thing I always find it ridiculous, what right does Logan have to resent or feel bitter towards Scott? Jealous, I can understand, being resentful to someone who has earned the heart of the woman of your dream long time ago before you show up would only make a fool out of yourself, and make you like a sour loser.



What we saw of Logan and Jean in X3 is simply a cheap attempt to pull off as something 'romantic', which, I must say, failed miserably and was completely pointless.

 

[Bishop2]

In X2, at the end of the film, he accepts her decision without coming across as needy or creepy.

Personally... I was always unhappy with the fact that he was STILL trying to get with Jean in X2. Because she obviously was about to reject him at the end of X1 and he cut her off. I figured that was a sign that he got the message.

Well, apparently he didn't. Apparently he NEVER gets the message. So yes, in X2, he does come off as pathetic to me. I was fine with it for one movie, but after he already got told off once, it just got silly for him to keep going back to the well only to complain that it was still dry.

 

[taintedFB]

I think after their kiss in X2, when she walked away from him, he figured it out. He even tells Scott at the end, she made a choice, it was you. I felt that was a great conclusion to that love triangle...

But in X3, he goes back to chasing after her and confessing his love which is disrespectful of Scott's memory AND her own wishes and feelings....

 

[Farren]

I think after their kiss in X2, when she walked away from him, he figured it out. He even tells Scott at the end, she made a choice, it was you. I felt that was a great conclusion to that love triangle...

But in X3, he goes back to chasing after her and confessing his love which is disrespectful of Scott's memory AND her own wishes and feelings....

I know! Logan knew she chose Scott. But in X3 it makes it appear that Logan must have been BS-ing. It's not fair to Scott or Logan as characters.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

The Logan/Jean storyline in X3 was yet another example of how badly Ratner, Kinberg and Penn screwed up what Singer, Dougherty and Harris had done.

 

[Bishop2]

The Logan/Jean storyline in X3 was yet another example of how badly Ratner, Kinberg and Penn screwed up what Singer, Dougherty and Harris had done.

I don't know why people act like Ratner was actually a creative force on X3. The extent of his influence was to move the Alcatraz attack to the end of the film instead of having it around the middle and ending the film with a city streetfight. Beyond that, he was basically a hired hand who didn't have TIME to do much to the lousy script that Fox had approved. And even that script was nearly 50% demanded by Fox producers who had no clue what the hell these characters are about. I blame the executives who gave the screenwriters such strict directions, and I blame the screenwriters who failed to overcome some of them, but Ratner, meh. He barely even counts.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

I don't know why people act like Ratner was actually a creative force on X3. The extent of his influence was to move the Alcatraz attack to the end of the film instead of having it around the middle and ending the film with a city streetfight. Beyond that, he was basically a hired hand who didn't have TIME to do much to the lousy script that Fox had approved. And even that script was nearly 50% demanded by Fox producers who had no clue what the hell these characters are about. I blame the executives who gave the screenwriters such strict directions, and I blame the screenwriters who failed to overcome some of them, but Ratner, meh. He barely even counts.

We know Brett was merely a puppet, but he yammers on about his involvement in X3, so if he wants credit, then he must also accept blame.