Daredevil Daredevil: FULL SEASON ONE Discussion Thread (BEWARE, SPOILERS GALORE!)

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Of course the Owl will come back as his son, he will blame DD and Kingpin for the death of his father plus he will have an ass ton of money to spend on tech and thugs that his daddy left him. And when Kingpin killed Ben, man oh man, the look Vincent was able to show pure rage and hatred. I love how Kingpin went from a cold calculating machine and the love of a woman makes him get careless and emotional, so many men have fallen the same way, brilliant. As far as the suit goes I dig it and get what they weree going for but I'm not in love with it. Hopefully it will get tweeked with time much like Caps costume. I also love all the set up they did without making us feel like we were missing anything. Going to be great to see the payoff from Goa and the Hand later on.

Also, is everyone going to ignore the fact that Daredevil killed Nobu? It might've been self defense, but he still killed him. Then he just pretends he DIDN'T DO IT!

Eh, he blocked a shot and sparks flew. In the state he was in I don't know if I totally buy that it was intentional.

I just finished the show, and wow did it live up to and exceed my expectations.

13 hours of some of the finest television content in my opinion.

I feel the same way, I kicked off right at 3 am and fell a little behind due to smoke breaks after each episode but man what a wild ride!

Just got done with the whole series im on 2 hour sleep but it was worth it. I havent seen this kind of quality tv since breaking bad or hannibal, this was truly a masterpiece of television.

Haha I feel ya, I have had no sleep and I'm all amped up from how awesome it was (and caffeine) no way I can sleep right now! For me BrBa was the pinnacle of scripted drama on TV for me and this best it in every way that matters to me. I never thought a show would top BrBA especially since it hasn't been that long since it ended

 

[TheVileOne]

Of course the Owl will come back as his son, he will blame DD and Kingpin for the death of his father plus he will have an ass ton of money to spend on tech and thugs that his daddy left him. And when Kingpin killed Ben, man oh man, the look Vincent was able to show pure rage and hatred. I love how Kingpin went from a cold calculating machine and the love of a woman makes him get careless and emotional, so many men have fallen the same way, brilliant. As far as the suit goes I dig it and get what they weree going for but I'm not in love with it. Hopefully it will get tweeked with time much like Caps costume. I also love all the set up they did without making us feel like we were missing anything. Going to be great to see the payoff from Goa and the Hand later on.



Eh, he blocked a shot and sparks flew. In the state he was in I don't know if I totally buy that it was intentional.

That's called third degree murder in a United States court of law.

 

[Jason Kane]

Look I'm just saying, this was one of the more important central characters in the Daredevil mythos. I feel he needed more than to drop him 12 episodes into season 1.

Now Urich is gone and we will never see him again other than potential flashbacks. To bring a character like Urich back from the dead is stupid. But now it's game over for Urich and all the great possibilities we could've gotten out of him.

Like I mean. Look at Karen Page. Just like Gwen Stacy, it is her destiny to die. It might not happen in season 2, but it is going to happen. Obviously we are going to spend some time with Karen and learn to love her and be conflicted about her and all that. But I mean...

Eh whatever, I'm rambling. I just think killing Urich off 12 episodes in was the wrong play.

Thus why I suggested bringing in his nephew Phil (sans Green Goblin baggage) or a new character

 

[Drz]

Why not just kill off Daredevil and Kingpin and bring a new blind kid and a mobster while we're at it? It's just not the same thing and think how this can effect the comics. Mark Waid just introduced the Owls' daughter, if the tv show is going to go owl's son route, they'll just copy that to the comics.

It's fine to take liberties, but killing off characters for the sake of killing them is a bit much.

 

[Spiderine]

Didn't see Urich's death coming and its a bit soon for that but I guess they got grander plans moving forward. And Karen's death is inevitable and hopefully they handle it better than what the Spidey franchise did with Gwen. Given the series format Im certain they will.

 

[Jason Kane]

Why not just kill off Daredevil and Kingpin and bring a new blind kid and a mobster while we're at it? It's just not the same thing and think how this can effect the comics. Mark Waid just introduced the Owls' daughter, if the tv show is going to go owl's son route, they'll just copy that to the comics.

It's fine to take liberties, but killing off characters for the sake of killing them is a bit much.

Or go the LMD route ala 616 Fury. Still, we can always blame Sony, right?

 

[TheVileOne]

Thus why I suggested bringing in his nephew Phil (sans Green Goblin baggage) or a new character

You can't write away complications resulting from Death Orgies with replacing them with a relative. That's like replacing a character with their twin on a soap opera.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

You can't write away complications resulting from Death Orgies with replacing them with a relative. That's like replacing a character with their twin on a soap opera.

What exact complication arises from someone dying?

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Anyway now I've seen it all, amazing.

My favorite part of the show is how I really enjoyed all the main characters. Even the likes of GoT has a bunch of mains I hate and BB had Skyler and Hank.

Really liked Owsley. And whilst I'm gutted he died, that's how it's supposed to feel when a character gets offed. Not oh well who cares. That just means the character was lame.

 

[Drz]

What exact complication arises from someone dying?

Ben Urich has usually played a part in plenty of DD stories and now you either got to create a brand new original character or extend another character's role to fill that spoit.

Killing Ben Urich is like killing off James Gordon. He's a vital part of the crime fightning that happens, even though it is a small role.

 

[TheVileOne]

What exact complication arises from someone dying?

They're dead and can't use them again. Urich was a pretty important Daredevil mythos character throughout the years. Also for Spider-Man and other MU stories. He's a reporter that cuts through everything to get the truth.

Now Daredevil doesn't have a trusted confidante in the press or mainstream media, considering a lot of the media is on the take. Not to mention Urich has underworld connections and knowledge which are useful to Daredevil.

Just saying, in the comics, this stuff comes up constantly. Also you lose a great likable character. You can't just bring a character like Urich back now.

Look at the first Blade movie. They killed off Whistler in the first movie. But then the movie was success and suddenly David Goyer felt they needed Whistler back again. So that was a complication he needed to write his way out of.

 

[Spiderine]

I think the son will become the villain known as Owl. His name was Lee.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Urich and the Owls deaths were both pretty important to the story and the character. The Owl died because Fisk was slowly taking out all his competition and Urich died to affect Karen's character.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

They're dead and can't use them again. Urich was a pretty important Daredevil mythos character throughout the years. Also for Spider-Man and other MU stories. He's a reporter that cuts through everything to get the truth.

Now Daredevil doesn't have a trusted confidante in the press or mainstream media, considering a lot of the media is on the take. Not to mention Urich has underworld connections and knowledge which are useful to Daredevil.

Just saying, in the comics, this stuff comes up constantly. Also you lose a great likable character. You can't just bring a character like Urich back now.

Look at the first Blade movie. They killed off Whistler in the first movie. But then the movie was success and suddenly David Goyer felt they needed Whistler back again. So that was a complication he needed to write his way out of.

As I said in the ep12 thread, I feel like they won't specifically need the journalist angle again. I guess he could have been used as a more minor role just helping out with lawyer stuff.

But they killed, so whatever, you could say they could have used him again for any character ever that has died in a show. And it's not exactly like the Blade thing in the fact they know there is 4 other series he could have been used in, and I'm pretty sure they are confident they will be doing a S2.

They set a bunch of stuff up in this series if someone felt he would have been a necessity later down the line. Then he wouldn't have died.

I really feel like if you look back as a whole it makes sense Ben bites it for trying to do the story. He was warning Karen the whole time something like that could happen.

 

[TheVileOne]

As I said in the ep12 thread, I feel like they won't specifically need the journalist angle again. I guess he could have been used as a more minor role just helping out with lawyer stuff.

You say that, but how do you truly know? It's an angle that has come up time and time again. It is part of what made Urich such an important figure in the comics.

They set a bunch of stuff up in this series if someone felt he would have been a necessity later down the line. Then he wouldn't have died.

I really feel like if you look back as a whole it makes sense Ben bites it for trying to do the story. He was warning Karen the whole time something like that could happen.

OK well the fact is this. Urich is dead, and there is no coming back from this now.

 

[Jason Kane]

Ben Urich has usually played a part in plenty of DD stories and now you either got to create a brand new original character or extend another character's role to fill that spoit.

Killing Ben Urich is like killing off James Gordon. He's a vital part of the crime fightning that happens, even though it is a small role.

Snyder and Terrio may have done just that if the rumors for BVS are to br believed

 

[BatsDC]

The season was fantastic. I was a little bummed Ben got offed but overall it was brilliant. I can't wait to see where they go for season two - the Owl, more Kingpin, Elektra, Bullseye, the Hand... So many possibilities.

 

[TheVileOne]

Ben Urich has usually played a part in plenty of DD stories and now you either got to create a brand new original character or extend another character's role to fill that spoit.

Killing Ben Urich is like killing off James Gordon. He's a vital part of the crime fightning that happens, even though it is a small role.

It is kind of like that.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

That's called third degree murder in a United States court of law.

Haha I meant the physical state he was in wasn't conducive to his finest abilities, not NY state. You can see at the end there he was pretty much barely surviving and had it not been for that lucky deflection which happened to cause sparks to light him on fire he probably would have got taken out.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

If you took you're comic book hat off, what would you think of the death?

Because that all it seems to be about, the fact that he's been in a lot of stories and therefore could be useful in the future, which is not how a film or TV should be written. And it unfortunately is becoming like that now.

 

[TheVileOne]

It wasn't luck. The dude has some powers and fantastic awareness of the entire room.

He killed the guy, plain and simple.

 

[TheVileOne]

If you took you're comic book hat off, what would you think of the death?

Because that all it seems to be about, the fact that he's been in a lot of stories and therefore could be useful in the future, which is not how a film or TV should be written. And it unfortunately is becoming like that now.

Listen, character death in a show like this in the way the world is set up is unavoidable. However I mean...you can't take the comic book hat off. Because think about it. Karen Page is destined to die. Do you think they are going to take the comic book hat off just to keep Karen Page alive and figure, she's suffered enough, let's have her fight to survive? No dude. Page is marked for death whether we like it or not.

It's like the delusional fans who worked themselves into believing that Gwen Stacy wouldn't die in Amazing Spider-Man die. Whether we like it or not, it's gonna happen.

Killing off Ben Urich is a bold ambitious move. Well OK, they've done it, there it is. Now it has to be dealt with. However, now that means that Urich will no longer be a part of the stories when he is a very important part of the Daredevil world. He is an incredibly good, useful character to have around. There is nothing else that can be done with him now other than flashback stories.

Well, let's go ahead and kill off Foggy because why not?

 

[BatsDC]

If Daredevil didn't kill that guy he'd have died. Plain and simple. He acted in self defence - plus the Kingpin coming in kinda ruined any chance Matt had of saving him.

 

[TheVileOne]

If Daredevil didn't kill that guy he'd have died. Plain and simple. He acted in self defence - plus the Kingpin coming in kinda ruined any chance Matt had of saving him.

He still killed him and acted like his hands were clean of going as far as "killing" someone.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Well I was about to say there are 3 characters who if died I would have been like wait no they shouldn't have done that. Matt, Foggy and Kingpin. Because then that really does change things. I guess even Fisk could have died at the end.

And you could say any character in any show or film could be useful to have around. Why kill off Ned Stark, Robb Stark, Oberyn, Gus Fring etc

And yes they could take off there comic book hats and not kill off Karen. I don't see why not.