Daredevil Daredevil: FULL SEASON THREE Discussion Thread (Beware, Spoilers Galore!)

[Gu3ree]

So just finished watching the season. What can I say...I generally liked it, but it had a number of mishaps, but good writing, good character development, and great acting. Didn't expect Matt to have a revelation about his mother, but wow...nor did I expect to get Karen's background story. First a while, I thought, oh Karen's going to steal the story in this episode, should the series be called "Karen" now? Ultimately that episode progressed though and thought the Karen episode was good. Liked every battle with Bullseye and Daredevil.

In spite of all that, this season did get pretty miserable. Matt was emo Matt longer than I thought he'd be. Kingpin is...a decent villain. To be honest, I'm a little tired of him. This season is in many respects, a rehash of season 1. Kingpin's motives are the same as before. The thing that makes a villain great is if they are incredibly unstoppable, and on that aspect, that's what makes Kingpin a good villain. But the ending doesn't have that much of a difference from the first season.

We didn't get to see Bullseye get a full costume at some point which I expected, but it should have happened. The season had good twists as usual like the FBI. My main baggage though is Matt not wearing the red suit by the end of the season, still, earlier would have been better. The black suit was a great start to the series, but we had to see that...again. I'm disappointed by the lack of the red suit worn by Matt. These Marvel Netflix shows sometimes take themselves too seriously, by being as realistic as possible. Worried about corniness or something. Iron Fist should have worn some sort of suit, it didn't have to be exact, but at least give him the mask. Guess that's why we didn't see Dex wear a Bullseye costume. He was a good villain, but needed a suit of some kind to symbolize the character. I'm not saying every hero or villain needs to wear a costume, that would be dumb, but iconic characters like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage don't need costumes, but Daredevil, Bullseye and Iron Fist do. Iron Fist was so lame. I think having a mask would have made Danny Rand somewhat more buyable. Because that show was about Rand's father's corrupted business by his...friends...and a brother hiding his father, and the sister, who really had no place or any relationship with the main character whatsoever...a billionaire with a glowing fist which he could turn once every 24 hours. He didn't always need the glowing fist-so what was the point? I think that show potentially could have worked the least bit more if they just gave Danny Rand some sort of suit.

Not the problem with Daredevil this season mainly, but it was missing something for me. All in all though, I think I enjoyed season 2 the most. But to go another full season without the suit was a sad, missed opportunity. This show didn't give us anything new apart from Bullseye. We got Kingpin's white suit from the comics, maybe, but I expected a fresh plot. The entire season, Daredevil was a wanted man and on the run. We couldn't see him wear the red suit for obvious reasons, but so much of this feels reminiscent of The Punisher season 1 and Daredevil season 1. Not much new. Kingpin was the main villain again. In spite of him being a highly unstoppable villain, I find him annoying apart from that. A man-child who is misguided and will only see his way of doing things as the righteous. It's nearly the same as DD season 1.

Too tired to type now as I watched the season in just two days. More thoughts later.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[warhorse78]

My thoughts overall:

• I was generally happy with this season. It had its rough spots along the way, but I think it ultimately came together. I actually really like Vanessa, and I wish she was in the season more. I think when she came back the story picked up a lot more.
• If we get another season, I want a full on return to form for Daredevil and I want full on Bullseye. Otherwise, I call shenanigans.
• A lot of moralizing and grandstanding about killing and not killing. Oh you can't kill him or Fisk, but Matt can point out the FBI agent to kill dudes. Blah blah blah. And then you have Jessica Jones killing Kilgrave. Seriously, what's wrong with killing Fisk? Dude's a rabid animal. Needs to be put down.
• Nothing against Deborah Ann Woll, but her performance and tics started to get on my nerves this season. It just seems like her voice is quivering and she's about to suffer a breakdown in every other scene. After a while, it started to get obnoxious.
• Willing to see where they take things with Poindexter. I hope we get a full version of Bullseye we didn't get this season.
• Vincent D'Onofrio is the main reason to watch this show. I saw what the showrunners were doing and basically making him a stand-in for Donald Trump, which eh whatever.
• The federal corruption problem doesn't necessarily go away by incarcerating Fisk. So I don't get Foggy's reasoning. Fisk had the police when he was free. When he was incarcerated, he got the prison system and the FBI. So again, don't see why killing Fisk is a bad solution. Sorry. It's sort of like just kill the Joker. Just kill Kilgrave or Jessica's mom. All the deaths that happened as a result of letting them live as long as they did is the fault of the so-called "heroes." Sorry it just is.
• At the end of the day, vigilantes are criminals. They are violating human rights. Remember, even criminals have rights. Even convicted felons on death row have rights. Greater good or not killing doesn't mean they are necessarily moral figures. They are still technically criminals and violating the word of law.

Naw. Wilson Fisk in this is pretty much a carbon copy of real life drug kingpin Pablo Escobar.

Anyways, for the most part, I enjoyed the show. It was slow moving at first, but it picked up nicely by the end of the second episode. But, I do feel there is just too much Karen and Foggy. I even wonder if Karen has more lines than Matt, that is how much I feel she is on screen. And I thought it was a bit of a let down that they didn't kill off either Foggy or Karen. I guess Marvel doesn't want to take their shows to that next level.

 

[Kane52630]

I'll keep it short and say it's the best Marvel Netflix season since DD season 1. Almost everyone was great (I had a couple problems with some minor characters), but Kingpin, Daredevil, and Bullseye were tremendous and how the ending felt like a Wrestlemania main event was spectacular. Some episodes really stood out like 4, 6, 10, and 13. I don't know how the future is for these Netflix shows, but I hope we get another season.

Daredevil Season 1 - 10/10
Daredevil Season 3 - 10/10
Daredevil Season 2 - 9/10
Luke Cage Season 2 - 9/10
The Punisher Season 1 - 9/10
Luke Cage Season 1 - 8.5/10
Iron Fist Season 2 - 8.5/10
The Defenders - 8/10
Jessica Jones Season 1 - 7.5/10
Iron Fist Season 1 - 6.5/10
Jessica Jones Season 2 - 4/10

 

[The Chris]

Season 3 just enhanced my opinion of Daredevil being the best Live Action superhero show of all time.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

This season was perfection, but I definitely could’ve used a dose of Elektra somewhere in this season.

Does it make me horrible that I would feel no type of way if they got rid of Foggy? I try but I just don’t care for him at all.

 

[BareYourTeeth]

This season was perfection, but I definitely could’ve used a dose of Elektra somewhere in this season.

Does it make me horrible that I would feel no type of way if they got rid of Foggy? I try but I just don’t care for him at all.

I could've used some more of Vanessa and young Maggie. My goodness.

I agree with your feeling on Foggy too. Was hoping they'd either get rid of him or Karen. More so Karen though.

 

[warhorse78]

This season was perfection, but I definitely could’ve used a dose of Elektra somewhere in this season.

Does it make me horrible that I would feel no type of way if they got rid of Foggy? I try but I just don’t care for him at all.

I'm glad they kept Elektra out of it. I never care for at all, in any incarnation. But, I do agree with you about Foggy. He's one of them insufferable know it all's.

 

[djsunyc]

Season 3 just enhanced my opinion of Daredevil being the best Live Action superhero show of all time.

i love the marvel universe.

i thought daredevil season 1 was the best and truest live action comic ever made as well. both film and tv.

and like you, season 3 was just as good. the only thing i rank over both is avengers infinity war.

d'onofrio needs an emmy nomination or something man - this guy is so awesome. wohl and cox were just as good. and i thought dex did a great job too. i mean it's just an awesome series and i really hope it does continue, either on netflix or on disney's streaming service.

 

[Mike Murdock]

This season gets a 10 for me. This is probably my favorite Daredevil season. I was very apprehensive throughout and I was worried they wouldn't get the character or fundamentally break what makes Matt Matt. But I think, in the end, they proved they understand him completely. I may have had wishes that didn't happen, but I can't complain about the result.

I hope they stay true to their word and have Matt Murdock and Daredevil co-existing like they should.

• A lot of moralizing and grandstanding about killing and not killing. Oh you can't kill him or Fisk, but Matt can point out the FBI agent to kill dudes. Blah blah blah. And then you have Jessica Jones killing Kilgrave. Seriously, what's wrong with killing Fisk? Dude's a rabid animal. Needs to be put down.

I'm not sure I agree when it comes to Matt's character. Jessica Jones can kill because she doesn't have the same moral code as Matt Murdock. Matt shouldn't kill. Also, while it seemed he engineered Poindexter into killing Fisk, he stopped him from doing it as well. While I do think, at that point, he seemed to want to kill Fisk, I don't think it was his intention to have Poindexter do it.

Next season will likely be Bullseye, Gladiator finally, and possibly Mr Fear. Bullseye and Gladiator have a lot in common - both were used as pawns by Daredevil and Kingpin to the degree that I’d imagine both want revenge.

I think there's next to no chance of Gladiator as he is in the comics. That being said, I love Mr. Fear as a character and hope they figure out a way to include him. I'm not sure if Mr. Fear and Bullseye work comfortably in the same season. I'm worried it'll be a bit of a Punisher and Hand type deal.

• Matt making a deal with Fisk on having his wife being free will probably bite him as she could run Wilson's empire while he's behind bars. She's already proven that she's ruthless as The Kingpin as she ordered that Nadeem to be killed. It seemed that she had no remorse on ordering a man's death and that she accepted the Kingpin's world with no problems.

Sure, but she's not as good at it as him. Either way, to me, the point of the deal is to create boundaries. Fisk doesn't come after Karen and Foggy or reveal Matt's identity.

• I do wish the writers indicated which Daredevil suit that Matt will be wearing. I'm kinda disappointed that he didn't wear the red suit.

The only comfort I have is that we know there's that second suit out there.

• I actually like Foggy and I appreciate his faith in the legal system. But Wilson Fisk has already proven many times that he's above the law with his wealth and power, he even had corrupt FBI agents under his pocket. So I don't really get why he didn't like the idea of the Kingpin being killed.

My take is not that he didn't want Fisk dead (although he did want him alive to take down all the corrupt officials), but that he didn't want Matt to kill him.

Haven’t had a chance to watch yet, but does Bullseye ever get a comic book accurate look? Big missed opportunity if not

Only if you count his look from Daredevil #290 as comics accurate. I mean, there's slight variations, there's a lot of black in addition to the red Daredevil suit, but it's otherwise exactly the same as the one he wore in that issue.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Glad I'm not the only one who's sick of Foggy. Karen I can tolerate because for some reason I just really like Deborah Ann Woll, but I just skip all of Foggy's scenes.

I also feel like the depiction of Bullseye and his psychosis was what the writers of Iron Fist thought they were doing with Typhoid Mary.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't agree with that just because it's a very different type of mental illness. Typhoid Mary should not be portrayed the same way Bullseye was.

 

[kguillou]

Just finished it. 10/10 blown away. Best Marvel Netflix season ever and pretty close to being the best thing to come out of the MCU period. And not only that, people, this is just damn fine excellent television in general. I would put Daredevil among the best most acclaimed TV shows of the past decade with Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Shield, and several others that can't think of right now. This season had me on the edge of my seat, this is what entertainment is all about.

Ok, let me calm down a little, admittedly, I'm probably still a little high on the series and not fully coherent but what I loved about this season is that it was focused. It introduced a conflict in episode one and that conflict drove the whole season. Matt went dark this season and I see some people were bothered by it but this season was by all accounts the "Dark Knight Rises" of Daredevil. This was about breaking Matt down and building him back up to be a better person. The darkness was necessary and quite honestly drove some of the most intense TV moments I've ever had. The highlight of the season for me was episode 6 when Matt fights Bulleseye for the first time. Not because the fight itself was expertly executed from a technical and visceral standpoint but because of the TENSION and STAKES behind that fight. When Dex entered the room with Karen, Foggy, Karen's boss (cant remember his name) and their witness, I literally yelled at the screen "COME ON, MATT! GET UP! GET UP!" That shows you just how invested I was in not only the moment but the story. And that just goes to show you the fine work this new showrunner has done and the way they were able to take what came before on this show and bring it all to a head in a dark, visceral, pulse pounding season.

Charlie Cox deserves an Emmy. GIVE it to him. Now. He is incredible. He is to Matt Murdock what Robert Downey Jr is to Tony Stark, Chris Evans to Cap, Christopher Reeves to Superman. He IS DAREDEVIL and I will be pissed off if his performance this season does not get a nod just because its a "comic book show." Like I said, this is an action drama that deserves to be mentioned along the all time greats. In my opinion. Everyone else in the cast was great to excellent too. Yes, Karen annoyed me too at certain points but when we learned her backstory it gave her character layers that gave me a new appreciation for her.

Only slight negatives 1) I thought the end was a TAD bit rushed. You kind of felt the writers were like "oh s*** its episode 13 already? Crap, we gotta wrap this up." But nonetheless the finale was VERY satisfying and hopeful and earned. 2) This is more of a personal preference, I wanted to see Matt back in the suit again. These Netflix shows love to dick us around with these guys wearing costumes and while there was a very story-driven reason for Matt not wearing the red suit, I thought he should have properly reclaimed the mantle at the end in a brand new, comic accurate suit that reinforced that he is Daredevil. But whatever, I get it.

Fantastic season to a fantastic show. I wouldn't be mad if this was the final season but I want more. Bring on season 4.

 

[1627523]

anyone else bothered by the lack of promotion for this season? Did it even trend on twitter I was looking for it. IDK maybe its just me.

 

[kguillou]

It didn't feel that way to me, DD S3 def got a big promotional push on social media from Netflix. They kind of just shat out JJ, LC and IF S2 but it was definitely noticeable the attention they gave Daredevil.

 

[BlackFox]

Overall a great series again from DD, I think what this had over other earlier series is that it keeps getting better or keeps its momentum going all the way to the end where as the others ran out of steam a little towards the end but that could be because I need to rewatch them again. Either way good to see DD is 3 for 3 for me as other Netflix shows have been hit and miss a bit but this and Punisher are top drawer stuff.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Overall a great season once again beside my minor issue with the Karen Page character (see previous post).

 

[Iceman]

Overall a great series again from DD, I think what this had over other earlier series is that it keeps getting better or keeps its momentum going all the way to the end where as the others ran out of steam a little towards the end but that could be because I need to rewatch them again. Either way good to see DD is 3 for 3 for me as other Netflix shows have been hit and miss a bit but this and Punisher are top drawer stuff.

The pacing and momentum this season has been pretty much perfect. I totally didn’t have time to watch it this weekend, but I just couldn’t stop once I’d started.

 

[Manasrepublic]

Overall a fantastic and thrilling season with some minor nitpicks:

Daredevil no matter how badly he was smashing Dex up in hand to hand always lost and Dex barely got hurt. I wish they would have shown Matt at least beating Dex down cleanly once after a struggle. He couldn’t get the better of him at all which was kind of annoying. I would rather have had Matt out of desperation smash Dex and made him fall in the church than the rather annoying Karen. These are minor nitpicks but Daredevil has fought waves of the Hand and even if his senses were down he should gotten the better of Dex at least once. I would have preferred he broke his back rather than Kingpin

 

[djsunyc]

i think my issue with the foggy character is the elden just isn't on the same tier as cox + wohl as an actor and d'onofrio is in a stratosphere all to himself.

but i'm still thinking about this show and how this may be my favorite thing marvel has produced overall. cancelling this show may effect netflix subscriptions b/c they would be left with no marvel stuff after jessica jones.

 

[kguillou]

Overall a fantastic and thrilling season with some minor nitpicks:

Daredevil no matter how badly he was smashing Dex up in hand to hand always lost and Dex barely got hurt. I wish they would have shown Matt at least beating Dex down cleanly once after a struggle. He couldn’t get the better of him at all which was kind of annoying. I would rather have had Matt out of desperation smash Dex and made him fall in the church than the rather annoying Karen. These are minor nitpicks but Daredevil has fought waves of the Hand and even if his senses were down he should gotten the better of Dex at least once. I would have preferred he broke his back rather than Kingpin

Yeah it did seem like Dex was superhuman at times didnt it? Matt would always good a bunch of good licks in but he seemd unphased by them.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

This season easily destroys any of the seasons of the other Marvel/Netflix shows. For me this was the return to form I was waiting for, especially after how unimpressed I was with the second seasons of JJ, LC and IF. They weren't awful by any means, but this is why DD is in a league of its own. As much as I loved The Punisher I wish it could have had this kind of momentum and pacing because the first half of that show was kind of a slog to get through. I don't mind a slow burn, but I am getting tired of all these shows outside of Netflix where almost nothing happens in the first 4 to 5 episodes. Anyways, going back to this season there really isn't much I can say that I already haven't. I pretty much loved it from beginning to end and I am really hoping we get more out of this series even though it did end perfectly. I feel like there is still more to explore with these characters going forward and no way in hell is this the last we see of Fisk. If Vanessa were to take over in his absence that would be an interesting route to go since she is even a colder person than he his and I would love to see what they do with her as a full fledged villain. I also love the fact that Bullseye isn't a one and done villain either. I really enjoyed the actors portrayal of the character and his fight scenes with DD were some of the best in this entire series. I can still see some major potential with him if they decide to go in the more comic accurate direction.

It would also be nice to see how Matt's relationship with his mother develops down the line as well because the actress was great in that role.

My New Rankings:

1. DDS3
2. DDS1
3. DDS2
4. PunisherS1
5. JJS1
6. LCS1
7. DefendersS1
8. IFS2
9. LCS2
10. JJS2
11. IFS1

 

[dmcreif]

With the amount of praise and buzz, I'm assuming Netflix is listening to reactions.

 

[Drizzle]

My ranking of the Netflix shows:

1. Daredevil Season One
2. Daredevil Season Three
3. Daredevil Season Two
4. Luke Cage Season Two
5. Jessica Jones Season One
6. The Punisher Season One
7. The Defenders
8. Luke Cage Season One
9. Iron Fist Season Two
10. Jessica Jones Season Two
11. Iron Fist Season One

 

[Silver Surfer]

Lack of Elektra really pissed me off, but other than that, really good season. Bullseye was awesome, as was Kingpin. Hope there's a season 4.