Daredevil Daredevil: FULL SEASON THREE Discussion Thread (Beware, Spoilers Galore!)

[samsnee]

I can deal with IM and Cap not dealing with Fisk because they don’t really focus on street crime.

But yeah, Fisk not running into a power struggle with the bad guys in LC or even IF makes no sense.

 

[Iceman]

It’s the eternal problem with the Netflix Marverl series. Set them in a shared universe and you’ll always run into the problem of why other characters don’t pop up when they really should.

I try to ignore as much as possible, otherwise the whole narrative makes no sense.

After all, Kingpin probably wouldn’t be as powerful as he is in New York if the likes of Iron Man, Spidey and Cap were around to do something about it him.

You just have to go with it, and ignore the obvious inconsistencies.

I just ignore that aspect. Would rather enjoy all these shows as they were meant to be as well as the occasional team up. It works fine in the comics with JL Batman for eg being very different from solo Batman. He could give the JL a call and between all the superspeed, super-hearing and telepathy have all of Gotham's problems solved on his lunch break.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It’s the eternal problem with the Netflix Marverl series. Set them in a shared universe and you’ll always run into the problem of why other characters don’t pop up when they really should.

I try to ignore as much as possible, otherwise the whole narrative makes no sense.

After all, Kingpin probably wouldn’t be as powerful as he is in New York if the likes of Iron Man, Spidey and Cap were around to do something about it him.

You just have to go with it, and ignore the obvious inconsistencies.

How is this problem exclusive to Netflix. Remember that time everyone thought Iron Man was killed by the Mandarin? Where was Captain America then? Why didn't Black Panther call Cap to help fight Killmonger? Etc. Shared universes will always have that drawback, but it is the same issue the comics have. In Guardian Devil, why didn't Daredevil recruit Luke and Danny in the comic? But no one complains about that stuff for some reason there.

It's not a problem when they don't call other people. It's just a bonus when they do.

 

[kguillou]

I'm listening to Paesano's score on spotify right now, omg the score that plays during the prison sequence is so epic. This guy was so perfect for this series

 

[chamber-music]

I suppose the events of Daredevil season 3 could be taking place at the same time as Punisher season 2. If this is the case then the Punisher is probably busy. Suicide run is one of the story arc influence for Punisher season 2 so Castle isn't even in New York if the shows are taking place at the same time.

 

[chamber-music]

My thoughts overall:

• A lot of moralizing and grandstanding about killing and not killing. Oh you can't kill him or Fisk, but Matt can point out the FBI agent to kill dudes. Blah blah blah. And then you have Jessica Jones killing Kilgrave. Seriously, what's wrong with killing Fisk? Dude's a rabid animal. Needs to be put down.
• The federal corruption problem doesn't necessarily go away by incarcerating Fisk. So I don't get Foggy's reasoning. Fisk had the police when he was free. When he was incarcerated, he got the prison system and the FBI. So again, don't see why killing Fisk is a bad solution. Sorry. It's sort of like just kill the Joker. Just kill Kilgrave or Jessica's mom. All the deaths that happened as a result of letting them live as long as they did is the fault of the so-called "heroes." Sorry it just is.
• At the end of the day, vigilantes are criminals. They are violating human rights. Remember, even criminals have rights. Even convicted felons on death row have rights. Greater good or not killing doesn't mean they are necessarily moral figures. They are still technically criminals and violating the word of law.

I agree with this but at the end of the day superheroes stories are fantasy. I understand them not wanting to outright murder the dangerous villains but saving their lives from others trying to kill them when it would be better off if they let them die always just makes the 'heroes' seem like they are putting their own ethics before the lives of others.

I did like that they actually brought up in the show that Matt hospitalizing criminal suspects and FBI agents (beating, maiming, put people in comas, breaking bones, crippling people, ect) doesn't make him morally superior. He still violent assaults people not convicted of crimes and the only reason he is even seen as a hero is because he saves some people along the way. Most urban vigilante superhero shows and movies don't even bring that up.

 

[P Supreme]

indeed that last scene with Matt and Wilson was epic but I wanted Matt to take off the mask in front of him for some reason

 

[FunkMiller]

indeed that last scene with Matt and Wilson was epic but I wanted Matt to take off the mask in front of him for some reason

He does.

 

[Boom]

Karen is the worst.

 

[biglite351]

Daredevil season 3: The Karen Page Chronicles. Nobody was waiting for Ds3 thinking, "Man, I hope the story is so Karen Page heavy that I want to throw my tv out the door!"

As if she wasn't it the show to much to begin with, the e10 is 30 minutes of Karen Page backstory. It's called DAREDEVIL... not "Crying, Whiney, Cover My Face With My Hand Side Character That Should Barely Get Any Screen Time Show"

 

[halo10]

the Federal Prison ambush and riot breakout was truly awesome. There isnt' another Netflix series that's offers or on this level .
Vincent D'onofrio's incredibly intrigue gripping character as Wilson Fisk continues to be so ground breaking and all the more
adds and make this series undisputed number 1 .. its not even close.

i loved Season 3 of DD. and declared it another success for Netflix.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

My thoughts overall:

• A lot of moralizing and grandstanding about killing and not killing. Oh you can't kill him or Fisk, but Matt can point out the FBI agent to kill dudes.

I guess Matt rationalizes it as helping a LEO in a self-defense situation, which is different from him acting as a vigilante personally killing people.

 

[Best]

I was wondering if someone could clarify this for me?

When Dex was being investigated (and eventually suspended) because of the forensic analysis error at the crime scene, was it because because the analysis picked up on the 2 Albanians that he killed who were trying to surrender? Or did Fisk and Hattley manipulate the evidence further to get Dex suspended?

I might have zoned out during those scenes but yeah, I was left baffled as to why Dex was being defamed and such.

 

[P Supreme]

He does.

I know at the very end but in hindsight would have like him doing it right when Fisk went to his knees still an epic scene

 

[Marvolo]

Daredevil season 3: The Karen Page Chronicles. Nobody was waiting for Ds3 thinking, "Man, I hope the story is so Karen Page heavy that I want to throw my tv out the door!"

As if she wasn't it the show to much to begin with, the e10 is 30 minutes of Karen Page backstory. It's called DAREDEVIL... not "Crying, Whiney, Cover My Face With My Hand Side Character That Should Barely Get Any Screen Time Show"

The show has focused heavily on Karen from the beginning. Her and Foggy arent just recurring characters. They are main characters.

On another note I cant tolerate this FBI plotline. That FBI agent is a twit. Fisk helps the FBI once and suddenly Nadeem is ready to sniff Fisk's farts and wax adoringly about the floral aroma.

Who's more likely to be a lying criminal involved in organized crime? The convicted organized crime boss of New York who murdered countless people and ordered countless people murdered including cops and innocent civilians, or the attorneys that fought tooth and nail putting their lives at risk to convict that crime boss? What reason could Fisk have for framing those attorneys and smearing their reputations and names? It couldnt possibly be that he is a lying POS trying to ruin the lives of the attorneys that put him in prison? Nah, thatd just be crazy. Organized crime bosses dont do such things. Revenge is totallyyyy not in their wheelhouse. *sarcasm*

As of now I hope Nadeem lives to regret the day he ever heard the name Fisk.

And really I'm just sick of this sort of plotline being used in storytelling. The criminal justice warrior that comes out of the wood work and who is soooooo convinced the hero is just a no good POS criminal. I as the viewer, that knows the hero is...a ****ing hero have to watch for hours as this clueless bafoon stumbles around blind, dumb, and deaf trying to hinder, arrest, and destroy the hero. It's been done to death in books and movies and shows and isnt exclusive to comic book films. As a plotline it needs to be retired.

 

[P Supreme]

so am I, what reason did Foggy and Karen had for lying to the FBI? Agent Nadeem was the worst character in season 3. While I hate Karen not Foggy but the episode dedicated to her was nice especially seeing Lee Tergesen bring his OZ "A" game in that episode

 

[Lighthouse]

The show has focused heavily on Karen from the beginning. Her and Foggy arent just recurring characters. They are main characters.

On another note I cant tolerate this FBI plotline. That FBI agent is a twit. Fisk helps the FBI once and suddenly Nadeem is ready to sniff Fisk's farts and wax adoringly about the floral aroma.

Who's more likely to be a lying criminal involved in organized crime? The convicted organized crime boss of New York who murdered countless people and ordered countless people murdered including cops and innocent civilians, or the attorneys that fought tooth and nail putting their lives at risk to convict that crime boss? What reason could Fisk have for framing those attorneys and smearing their reputations and names? It couldnt possibly be that he is a lying POS trying to ruin the lives of the attorneys that put him in prison? Nah, thatd just be crazy. Organized crime bosses dont do such things. Revenge is totallyyyy not in their wheelhouse. *sarcasm*

As of now I hope Nadeem lives to regret the day he ever heard the name Fisk.

And really I'm just sick of this sort of plotline being used in storytelling. The criminal justice warrior that comes out of the wood work and who is soooooo convinced the hero is just a no good POS criminal. I as the viewer, that knows the hero is...a ****ing hero have to watch for hours as this clueless bafoon stumbles around blind, dumb, and deaf trying to hinder, arrest, and destroy the hero. It's been done to death in books and movies and shows and isnt exclusive to comic book films. As a plotline it needs to be retired.

Yeah, I didn't like it in Punisher and I didn't care for it here either.

 

[chamber-music]

I knew Ray Nadeem was going die from the first episode. Everything about his character just made it feel like he was going end up getting killed at some point.

 

[Limonade]

I knew Ray Nadeem was going die from the first episode. Everything about his character just made it feel like he was going end up getting killed at some point.

Me too... the question in my mind was whether he was going out as a Kingpin goon or on the good side of the law.

 

[Limonade]

so am I, what reason did Foggy and Karen had for lying to the FBI? Agent Nadeem was the worst character in season 3. While I hate Karen not Foggy but the episode dedicated to her was nice especially seeing Lee Tergesen bring his OZ "A" game in that episode

I don't think he's the worst character... but he definitely had a place in the story. It allowed us an inside look in FBI during Kingpin's rise. I thought for sure Kingpin would have seduced him somewhat... but he relatively kept his focus on doing the right thing--when it counts.

I mean, someone had to be our window to the FBI. They could've chosen or made up anyone, honestly, who would you have preferred to follow if given the choice, @P Supreme ?

 

[Iceman]

I knew Ray Nadeem was going die from the first episode. Everything about his character just made it feel like he was going end up getting killed at some point.

The guy was in such a difficult situation. Not sure I would have been able to act any better given what he was facing and no one trustworthy to report the corruption to. It's difficult for people who have their family's safety threatened but I'm glad in spite of that he did the right thing later on. And also achieved something positive with his dying action and managed to keep his family safe.

 

[P Supreme]

I don't think he's the worst character... but he definitely had a place in the story. It allowed us an inside look in FBI during Kingpin's rise. I thought for sure Kingpin would have seduced him somewhat... but he relatively kept his focus on doing the right thing--when it counts.

I mean, someone had to be our window to the FBI. They could've chosen or made up anyone, honestly, who would you have preferred to follow if given the choice, @P Supreme ?

Dex? I mean they could had him be the point man and have Fisk work him like he was, I liked what they did with him and wanted more of that instead of that guys family issues

 

[halo10]

I'll keep it short and say it's the best Marvel Netflix season since DD season 1. Almost everyone was great (I had a couple problems with some minor characters), but Kingpin, Daredevil, and Bullseye were tremendous and how the ending felt like a Wrestlemania main event was spectacular. Some episodes really stood out like 4, 6, 10, and 13. I don't know how the future is for these Netflix shows, but I hope we get another season.

Daredevil Season 1 - 10/10
Daredevil Season 3 - 10/10
Daredevil Season 2 - 9/10
Luke Cage Season 2 - 9/10
The Punisher Season 1 - 9/10
Luke Cage Season 1 - 8.5/10
Iron Fist Season 2 - 8.5/10
The Defenders - 8/10
Jessica Jones Season 1 - 7.5/10
Iron Fist Season 1 - 6.5/10
Jessica Jones Season 2 - 4/10

1. Daredevil 1
2. Daredevil 3
3. Daredevil 2
4.defenders
5. Punishers
6. Luke cage 2
6. Jessica Jones 2
7. Iron fist season 2
8. Luke cage season 1
9. Jessica Jones season 1
10. Iron fist season 1

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Limonade]

Dex? I mean they could had him be the point man and have Fisk work him like he was, I liked what they did with him and wanted more of that instead of that guys family issues

Yeah but that would weakened Kingpin's actual body count. Look, part of what makes Kingpin so scary is the amount and kinds of bodies he leaves behind in his path to ultimate power. So yes... you felt that guy's family issues was crap. Totally legit complaint, imo! But it's also necessary. You take him out and the stakes become lowered.

Again, I do see where you are coming from and the Nadeem's story could have been stronger or cast different. I dunno, what's the exact problem you have. But there needs to be winners and losers in this story. Casualties need to be seen from the pawns perspective as well... and to be quite honest, Dex is not a pawn--he's more like a Rook or a Knight in this complex Chess-like story.