Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 6

[Dark Raven]

So they are sticking with that hideous costume. Are the showrunners blind? Cause thats the only excuse for thinking that thing looks good. The mask is the worst part. It does something awful to his face. What really pisses me off is they have this in the opening credits:

Why the hell cant they give him a costume that evokes that? Something like this:

It's almost like Marvel and Fox decided to switch production values. The Netflix costume looks like something Fox might've come up with. Only that they didn't, and in fact they came up with something better. I can't see how they could end up with something worse than the Affleck costume. There is no reason for it when they've already got a real life example of how the costume can be translated into live action. They could've just taken what worked with that - even the general design and shape - but made it of different material to leather.

This looks more like something we would've gotten in a show like Smallville. A TV version, but not anything that holds up to any movie. And even in Flash and Arrow some of the costumes they've been coming up with recently look way better.

 

[-Arya-]

I'm mostly upset about the lack of iconography from DD and now Punisher. The resemblance is barely there. It reminds me of Bryan Singer's X-Men costumes

 

[Smilodon]

I can understand the practical nature of the costume, but there's just something off about the costume. Compared to Nolan's batsuit, or even Wolverine's 2023 costume in DOFP, it just doesn't work at all for me.

It's most definitely the forehead plate though. That thing is bothering me a ton. If they changed at least the helmet/cowl thing, I think everything else would be fine.

 

[Dark Raven]

This costume and Deathlok's Laser Tag outfit definitely are contenders for worst costumes in the MCU. But you might understand with Agents of SHIELD, but there's no excuse for such a horrible costume in a Netflix show. So really, I think DD's costume actually wins worst costume because it's really quite an eyesore whereas Deathlok's just looked cheap like some slacks and a Laser Tag vest thrown on.

I can understand the practical nature of the costume, but there's just something off about the costume. Compared to Nolan's batsuit, or even Wolverine's 2023 costume in DOFP, it just doesn't work at all for me.

It's most definitely the forehead plate though. That thing is bothering me a ton. If they changed at least the helmet/cowl thing, I think everything else would be fine.

It can be practical, but it doesn't have to show its practical nature. We don't actually have to see all these clunky or stiff segmented parts. It could be just built into the suit while retaining a more pleasing aesthetic. And since this is a comic book show set in a universe with all kinds of fantastic characters or materials, there's no reason DD couldn't have had a more form fitting body armour even if it might not be like that in the real world. When creators try to stick too closely to verisimilitude, that's when we end up with things like the X-Men costumes.

 

[Web-Head]

Do you think we'll see Microchip in this or will they wait for the Punisher's own show?

 

[BatsDC]

Do you think we'll see Microchip in this or will they wait for the Punisher's own show?

I wouldn't be surprised if we did saw one of his minor villains, but I expect his main supporting cast and villains would be saved for his own show. If they were there in a significant capacity, they'd have likely been announced, anyway.

 

[Marvolo]

This costume and Deathlok's Laser Tag outfit definitely are contenders for worst costumes in the MCU. But you might understand with Agents of SHIELD, but there's no excuse for such a horrible costume in a Netflix show. So really, I think DD's costume actually wins worst costume because it's really quite an eyesore whereas Deathlok's just looked cheap like some slacks and a Laser Tag vest thrown on.



It can be practical, but it doesn't have to show its practical nature. We don't actually have to see all these clunky or stiff segmented parts. It could be just built into the suit while retaining a more pleasing aesthetic. And since this is a comic book show set in a universe with all kinds of fantastic characters or materials, there's no reason DD couldn't have had a more form fitting body armour even if it might not be like that in the real world. When creators try to stick too closely to verisimilitude, that's when we end up with things like the X-Men costumes.

What they should have done was treated the suit from last season's finale as a work in progress that he had to use because he had no oher choice. Then when he first shows up in Season 2 he could be rocking a finished refined version. There realy is no good excuse for him still be using that suit in Season 2 unless Season 2 picks up immediately after the Season 1 finale.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

Maybe his suit will get destroyed during s2 and he will go back to the awesome black ninja outfit for an ep or two before returning with a new red suit that doesn't look bad.

The creators must be aware that not many people like the red suit? It's odd to me that they didn't go back to the drawing board this season...

 

[Bruce Malone]

I will say the black costume did a great job of showing off Cox's muscularity and movement

 

[Dark Raven]

I will say the black costume did a great job of showing off Cox's muscularity and movement

Colour this green and yellow and we'll have a proper Iron Fist costume.

The designers should've found a way to retain Cox's musculature. Now it just looks stiff and hinders his movement.

 

[Bruce Malone]

To be fair it seems all the Marvel costumes have that sort of stiff jumpsuit kind of look and feel.

Even Black Panther's suit which looked great in the promo image seemed somewhat stiff in movement in the trailer.

The Man of Steel costume and the Spider-Man's as well are the only ones in recent memory to combine flexibility and the appearance of thinness.

 

[BarryAllen]

To be fair it seems all the Marvel costumes have that sort of stiff jumpsuit kind of look and feel.

Even Black Panther's suit which looked great in the promo image seemed somewhat stiff in movement in the trailer.

The Man of Steel costume and the Spider-Man's as well are the only ones in recent memory to combine flexibility and the appearance of thinness.

I think that Marvel's concept art always seems spot on, but sometimes their execution of the costumes aren't that great. Both looks in the art look amazing and flexible, but Marvel for some reason uses cloth and stiff cowl mix for BP and DD.

 

[BlackFox]

So they are sticking with that hideous costume. Are the showrunners blind? Cause thats the only excuse for thinking that thing looks good. The mask is the worst part. It does something awful to his face. What really pisses me off is they have this in the opening credits:

Why the hell cant they give him a costume that evokes that? Something like this:

Yeah its annoying, its like they have over complicated the design when they have the perfect one literally staring them in the face.

Ah well Marvel cant get it right every time I guess, its just a shame as they usually do.

 

[Enriquespy]

How important is the suit for the success of a tv series? It's important, but for me it's not a deal breaker.

 

[Bruce Malone]

How important is the suit for the success of a tv series? It's important, but for me it's not a deal breaker.

It's a smaaall factor for the majority of viewers out there. It's just on fanboy heavy places like this where it of course get's picked apart.

 

[Dark Raven]

To be fair it seems all the Marvel costumes have that sort of stiff jumpsuit kind of look and feel.

Even Black Panther's suit which looked great in the promo image seemed somewhat stiff in movement in the trailer.

The Man of Steel costume and the Spider-Man's as well are the only ones in recent memory to combine flexibility and the appearance of thinness.

They better not make Spider-Man's MCU costume look like a stiff jumpsuit as well.

I understand them wanting to distance themselves from Sony's version, but that doesn't mean completely reinventing the wheel. That's what seems to have happened here with DD just because they want it to look different from Affleck's suit. But Affleck's looks much more iconic. The DD costume here just looks extremely unflattering.

 

[BlackFox]

How important is the suit for the success of a tv series? It's important, but for me it's not a deal breaker.

Its not the be all and end all true. It wont make the show but if its too bad it can make it harder to take everything else seriously if it looks goofy or painful to look at.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

How important is the suit for the success of a tv series? It's important, but for me it's not a deal breaker.

it's a worry for me because I won't be able to enjoy fight scenes if he looks goofy, and the fights were a highlight of season 1.

i've watched the end of episode 13 about 5-6 times trying to like the suit but yeah, just can't.

 

[Dark Raven]

And if you don't want to watch him fighting in the suit but prefer all his other civilian scenes or perhaps where he might fight while not in costume, then this might as well be any other procedural show where they do exactly the same.

 

[Marvolo]

It's a smaaall factor for the majority of viewers out there. It's just on fanboy heavy places like this where it of course get's picked apart.

Calling a duck a duck isnt "picking it apart." Its ugly, and silly looking. And thats evident with even the most cursory glance. No need to "pick it apart" to arrive at that conclusion.

Even if this is how it looked in the comics, Id still ssy it was silly and ugly. Im not overly concerned with the costume matching the comic version. I dont read the comics and dont plan to. I just want something that looks good and isnt distractingly awful in design.

And his costume isnt only disliked on comic fanboy forums.

How important is the suit for the success of a tv series? It's important, but for me it's not a deal breaker.

It wont hurt the success, but it does hurt my enjoyment of the character and the show. Its hard to take him serious in that mask. He needs to present an intimidating image. Not this silly image.

 

[ernesth100]

OMG. Here too? Yes!!! I love reading the comments.

*Grabs popcorn*


Lemme chip in for a breif second. If the costume truly bugs you so much you can't appreciate the high quality and work they put into the series then....i duneven know.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah I'm not in love with the costume but I'm still quite excited for the season.

Either way we saw so little of the suit last season, a full seasons worth of action may change peoples minds.

Some outfits look better in action than in stills.

 

[ernesth100]

Yeah I'm not in love with the costume but I'm still quite excited for the season.

Either way we saw so little of the suit last season, a full seasons worth of action may change peoples minds.

Some outfits look better in action than in stills.

Exactly, nice to see someone keep an open mind.

 

[Loki882]

I think that the reason for the difference between some of the concept art, and the final product is simple. It's one thing to DRAW a costume. It's quite another to make it fit and work on an actual flesh and blood actor, and sometimes that can be a challenge. I feel like fans (who lets face have become spoiled rotten in recent years) sometimes forget that simple fact.

 

[ernesth100]

I think that the reason for the difference between some of the concept art, and the final product is simple. It's one thing to DRAW a costume. It's quite another to make it fit and work on an actual flesh and blood actor, and sometimes that can be a challenge. I feel like fans (who lets face have become spoiled rotten in recent years) sometimes forget that simple fact.

You speak the truth. Completely agree Loki. Great point.