BvS David S. Goyer IS the Script Writer! - Part 1

[Marvin]

And seeing as how Krypton has higher gravity, one would assume that those dragons are physiologically suited TO that higher gravity. Like the people of Krypton themselves.

Well he suggested larger wings were necessary, though he has no measure of the power this creature can generate.

I suggest the answer lies elsewhere, as Waid's on Birthright alludes to. Vestigial anti-gravitational field organs inherent to native creatures of Krypton. I look to Snyders visualization of flight to really drive this home. I for one enjoy the process of thinking/rationalizing and making sense of it all. I did the same when I was told he matabolizes solar energy..



Onto another matter.
Two discreet excerpts from Waids authoritative review.

It’s a good science-fiction movie, but it’s very cold. It’s not a very satisfying super-hero movie.

And I think you’d be surprised to find that I loved everything about Jonathan Kent. I loved his protectiveness, even when it made him sound like an *******. (“Maybe.&#8221 And I loved, loved, loved that scene where Clark didn’t save him, because Goyer did something magical–he took two moments that, individually, I would have hated and he welded them together into something amazing. Out of context, I would have hated that Clark said “You’re not my real dad,” or whatever he says right before the tornado. And out of context, I would have loathed that Clark stood by frozen with helplessness as the tornado killed Jonathan. But the reason that beat worked is because Clark had just said “You’re not my dad,” the last real words he said to Pa. Tearful Clark choosing to go against his every instinct in that last second because he had to show his father he trusted him after all, because he had to show Pa that Pa could trust him and that Clark had learned, Clark did love him–that worked for me, hugely. It was a very brave story choice, but it worked. It worked largely on the shoulders of Cavill, who sold it. It worked as a tragic rite of passage. I kinda wish I’d written that scene.

-on those two issues:
Anyone prone to having their mind changed by the words of the informed...have it at.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Impossible to speak for everyone.

I think he was referring specifically to the majority of those who publicly expressed dissatisfaction with the film, as opposed to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the planet.

 

[roach]

I think he was referring specifically to the majority of those who publicly expressed dissatisfaction with the film, as opposed to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the planet.

This...of all the negative reviews I've read scientific accuracy was not mention.

 

[Marvin]

That's probably true.
Considering superman's filmography, that would def be out of place.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

This...of all the negative reviews I've read scientific accuracy was not mention.

I'm pretty sure next to 100 percent of critics DON'T CARE about the scientific accuracy of a SUPERHERO movie.

What next, people are gonna walk out every time a freak accident gives someone superpowers instead of killing them, because it's not scientifically realistic?

 

[roach]

considering the most beloved Superman movie had him flying around the Earth reversing time

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ It was a different time :P

 

[roach]

OK in SR he lifted an island into space.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Singer was living in a different time when he made SR as well

 

[roach]

^ Singer was living in a different time when he made SR as well

ok ok ok but seriously what superhero movie has been scientifically accurate?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

considering the most beloved Superman movie had him flying around the Earth reversing time

Yeah, Superman, as portrayed in the Donner films, is basically a walking, flying deus ex machina. Whenever the filmmakers were backed into a corner, rather than have the aforementioned protagonist deal with the consequences of his actions, they just gave him a new power (e.g., amnesia-inducing kiss, time reversal).

Although Goyer's Man of Steel script certainly had its flaws, I personally appreciate the effort made by all those involved in keeping Superman's abilities limited to what many define as his "core powers" in the comics.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

ok ok ok but seriously what superhero movie has been scientifically accurate?

Unbreakable, I guess :P

 

[roach]

Unbreakable, I guess :P

i........I got nothing

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Me neither, I was just

 

[Vid Electricz]

Quentin only has a job because movie studios are stupid. He was a video clerk, and therefore lacking expertise. Even though his scripts seem good to ordinary folk, they obviously can't be to sophisticates. He has an uninformed opinion, and really should have consulted Hulk before making up his mind.

Speaking of grasping at straws...

Forgive me if I've misunderstood this, but I couldn't disagree more. When it comes to film adaptions of books, fans of the book are the last people I listen to. They rarely have an objective opinion and often fail to understand that screenwriting is a different medium with a different structure, which is the reason a lot of things are cut out.

Exactly. The majority of "fans" loved the Amazing Spider-Man because the movie featured "wise-cracking" and web shooters, but they have almost zero understanding about how awful the script actually was.

 

[roach]

Speaking of grasping at straws...

he was joking

Exactly. The majority of "fans" loved the Amazing Spider-Man because the movie featured "wise-cracking" and web shooters, but they have almost zero understanding about how awful the script actually was.

I agree with this and it scares the crap out of me

 

[KangConquers]

I hope Superman/Batman has a little more levity than Man of Steel did. The typical "straw man" DC fan doesn't want any of that "MCU humor crap", but two men flying around in capes shooting heat vision at each other shouldn't be scripted and filmed with the same sobering, humorless tone of Tom Hanks dying of AIDS in Philadelphia.

 

[slumcat]

I hope Superman/Batman has a little more levity than Man of Steel did. The typical "straw man" DC fan doesn't want any of that "MCU humor crap", but two men flying around in capes shooting heat vision at each other shouldn't be scripted and filmed with the same sobering, humorless tone of Tom Hanks dying of AIDS in Philadelphia.

Lol this post is full on win!

 

[Marvin]

Exactly. The majority of "fans" loved the Amazing Spider-Man because the movie featured "wise-cracking" and web shooters, but they have almost zero understanding about how awful the script actually was.

The 'majority" of fans hated the previous spiderman trilogy because it failed to feature "wise-cracking" and web shooters...
seems like fans simply aren't the most prudent at criticizing films. Where do you think the person in question falls.

I hope Superman/Batman has a little more levity than Man of Steel did. The typical "straw man" DC fan doesn't want any of that "MCU humor crap", but two men flying around in capes shooting heat vision at each other shouldn't be scripted and filmed with the same sobering, humorless tone of Tom Hanks dying of AIDS in Philadelphia.

You could have literally just said TDK.
Strawman works both ways it seems.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

There's "DC movie fans" though many of them probably just want an entirely Nolanesque Universe. And then there's COMIC fans who argue just what it means to make a good adaptation

Personally, I think it should be a blend of serious and more lighthearted films.

I think Superman/Batman should be lighthearted. I think WW should be serious. Flash, I think, would be better lighthearted. JUSTICE LEAGUE, however, should be a serious epic movie. They can always "go lighter" for the sequels.

 

[slumcat]

I don't think having a sense of humor and being epic are mutually exclusive. The Avengers was both.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ But I don't want JLA to be TA with different characters. I want it to have its own tone.

 

[Vid Electricz]

I hope Superman/Batman has a little more levity than Man of Steel did. The typical "straw man" DC fan doesn't want any of that "MCU humor crap", but two men flying around in capes shooting heat vision at each other shouldn't be scripted and filmed with the same sobering, humorless tone of Tom Hanks dying of AIDS in Philadelphia.

Big mistake in suggesting that, because to the typical fan boy (only capable of seeing the world in black & white extremes), that means a return to the sensibilities of "Batman & Robin" or the dance scenes in Spider-Man 3. There is NO in between.

Approximation of typical response: These are SERIOUS movies made for SERIOUS adults. There's no place here for any CHEESY, CHILDISH humour! Let me guess, your favourite Batman director is Joel Schumacer.

 

[roach]

I was ok with the little humor we got in MOS...Superman isn't a funny, quippy character. Save it for the Avengers.

 

[roach]

Big mistake in suggesting that, because to the typical fan boy (only capable of seeing the world in black & white extremes), that means a return to the sensibilities of "Batman & Robin" or the dance scenes in Spider-Man 3. There is NO in between.

Approximation of typical response: These are SERIOUS movies made for SERIOUS adults. There's no place here for any CHEESY, CHILDISH humour! Let me guess, your favourite Batman director is Joel Schumacer.

I think the tone of the movie matched the tone of the animated series.