BvS David S. Goyer IS the Script Writer! - Part 2

[charl_huntress]

In terms of day to day living, general worldview, and personal outlook on life, I would like to think Supes is an infinitely more human, and by extension, a more relatable character.

I feel the same. I thought MOS did a good job of grounding him and showing his isolation in a way that wasn't too depressing.

I'm down for different. There are many ways to go. I just want Superman.

Me too, but I'm prepared for anything. I think it's quite possible that this Superman might have some more struggles than we are used to seeing and might not be so inspirational as of yet. I'm here for the ride though.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

A Superman with struggles does not necessarily mean that he won't be inspirational.

Perhaps he has the "symbol of hope" stuff down pat, but he's falling short in his Clark Kent life with Lois Lane, for example.

Or perhaps he's inspirational, but maybe he's helping too much and interfering in world affairs, etc. Perhaps one of his struggles can be learning when not to interfere (an extension of Pa Kent's lesson about 'there's more at stake').

Or maybe he has to learn that he's unable to save everyone, even when he tries, and he has to learn to not beat himself up over it.

There's plenty you can do in terms of growth and character development with an already inspirational Superman.

 

[MrsKent26]

Me too, but I'm prepared for anything. I think it's quite possible that this Superman might have some more struggles than we are used to seeing and might not be so inspirational as of yet. I'm here for the ride though.

I'm sorta prepared for Bat-god because it's the norm, but I'm hoping that won't be the case. And I'm all for Superman having struggles. Doing what he does is a challenging, but beautiful, way to live. And as epic and inspiring as he is, he is not a god and is not perfect. I just want him to have a good role and not be used as a prop to make bats look cool.

Snyder did call Superman "The jewel of the DC crown" and I hope that peasant never forgets it.

A Superman with struggles does not necessarily mean that he won't be inspirational.

Perhaps he has the "symbol of hope" stuff down pat, but he's falling short in his Clark Kent life with Lois Lane, for example.

Or perhaps he's inspirational, but maybe he's helping too much and interfering in world affairs. Perhaps one of his struggles can be learning when not to interfere (an extension of Pa Kent's lesson about 'there's more at stake').

Yes, this would be interesting. He can and will always have struggles.

 

[charl_huntress]

A Superman with struggles does not necessarily mean that he won't be inspirational. Perhaps he has the "symbol of hope" stuff down pat, but he's falling short in his Clark Kent life with Lois Lane, for example. Or perhaps he's inspirational, but maybe he's helping too much and interfering in world affairs. Perhaps one of his struggles can be learning when not to interfere (an extension of Pa Kent's lesson about 'there's more at stake').

You know what I actually think we may see? A Superman who isn't sure he actually wants to be Superman? He may be struggling with all that responsibility and fame. He may really question if he can be a beacon of hope in this world. He may wonder if the world really does need him, especially if there are people saying they don't. I'm not trying to be Debbie downer here, but I do think there are some different themes that are going to be presented. I just have a strange feeling about it. Don't get me wrong...this is not necessarily a bad thing, but considering what we saw in MOS I don't think is outside the realm of normal.

Snyder did call Superman "The jewel of the DC crown" and I hope that peasant never forgets it.

Amen to that!

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I could see that as well.

Especially if they have Lex making a sincere public case (and gaining a following) of why the world will be better off without Superman.

 

[Marvin]

I'm sorta prepared for Bat-god because it's the norm, but I'm hoping that won't be the case.

I've yet to see in in live action. Doesn't quite seem like the norm to me.

 

[MrsKent26]

I've yet to see in in live action. Doesn't quite seem like the norm to me.

Only because Bats and Supes haven't appeared together on film at all. In other media, it is common.

 

[charl_huntress]

I've yet to see in in live action. Doesn't quite seem like the norm to me.

So the rest of the incarnations don't count??? Are you kidding, Marvin?

 

[Tempest]

You know what I actually think we may see? A Superman who isn't sure he actually wants to be Superman? He may be struggling with all that responsibility and fame. He may really question if he can be a beacon of hope in this world. He may wonder if the world really does need him, especially if there are people saying they don't. I'm not trying to be Debbie downer here, but I do think there are some different themes that are going to be presented. I just have a strange feeling about it. Don't get me wrong...this is not necessarily a bad thing, but considering what we saw in MOS I don't think is outside the realm of normal.Amen to that!

It's not atypical in the Superman world for him to question if he's needed, or to somehow doubt himself. At the beginning of Up, Up and Away, he was quite happy being Clark Kent, and letting Superman be a memory. In fact, when the Green Lanterns offered him a ring, his true self showed up as Clark Kent -- not Superman.

Be that as it may, I like the idea of seeing that acted out on the big screen. It's what intrigued me most about MOS.

 

[Marvin]

Only because Bats and Supes haven't appeared together on film at all. In other media, it is common.

Yes, finally they will be forced to give me what i wantt:

So the rest of the incarnations don't count??? Are you kidding, Marvin?

Not sure what you are getting at? You mean the comic books?

 

[MrsKent26]

Yes, finally they will be forced to give me what i wantt:

What do you mean? You want batgod?

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Great news! Most folks wanted a co writer to assist Goyer with the polishing up of the screenplay and now we have got an Oscar winning screenwriter like Terrio to assist who worked with Affleck on Argo.

Great move by WB's!

I have a feeling some of you will still not be satisfied by this move and will look for something else to possibly complain about. Sigh....

 

[charl_huntress]

It's not atypical in the Superman world for him to question if he's needed, or to somehow doubt himself. At the beginning of Up, Up and Away, he was quite happy being Clark Kent, and letting Superman be a memory. In fact, when the Green Lanterns offered him a ring, his true self showed up as Clark Kent -- not Superman.

Be that as it may, I like the idea of seeing that acted out on the big screen. It's what intrigued me most about MOS.

I know it's not atypical, but it's not something you would expect to see in a Superman movie. Those sorts of themes can be tricky. Singer learned this the hard way. It's a very fine balance...

I wouldn't mind seeing that either, but it will be interesting if that is in fact the way it plays. Lots of people want different things from Superman...that much is known.

Not sure what you are getting at? You mean the comic books?

Cartoons and comics are the only times they have teamed up. So yes.

 

[roach]

I don't really recall ever seeing Bat-god outside of the comics.

 

[charl_huntress]

I don't really recall ever seeing Bat-god outside of the comics.

Watch JL and JLU. He's all over the place in that.

 

[MrsKent26]

He's everywhere except live action films because there hasn't been any made yet.

But I don't think Terrio's presence makes that anymore likely to happen with this movie. I refuse to be negative about another writer being brought in because I've wanted that forever.

 

[roach]

Watch JL and JLU. He's all over the place in that.

I love those shows and watch them all the time…I didn't see a Bat-god in them.

 

[Marvin]

What do you mean? You want batgod?

Cartoons and comics are the only times they have teamed up. So yes.

When it was mentioned above that uber bats was 'the norm' didn't I suppose I missed the full context of the discussion.
I was personally talking about the 50* plus years of cinema and television.

 

[charl_huntress]

When it was mentioned above that uber bats was 'the norm' didn't I suppose I missed the full context of the discussion.
I was personally talking about the 5 plus years of cinema and television.

Okay.

 

[MrsKent26]

When it was mentioned above that uber bats was 'the norm' didn't I suppose I missed the full context of the discussion.
I was personally talking about the 5 plus years of cinema and television.

I see. And you had better be joking about being a bat-god supporter. Or I'll have to...I dunno, something!

 

[Marvin]

I thought batman was lame and forgettable and indicative of a rich guy in a suit with handy spray cans and fun villains till I was handed the frank miller/morrison/loeb books. Then the character quickly became my favorite for a time.

Best way to end this streak of having his own bat films stolen from him, I say make him as special and interesting as he is in those books. As for how that might affect a superman film. I'd rather see superman come face to face with an equal than that other creature.

I'm sure there's a compromise in there somewhere.
At least they can always give superman the last word(before he shoots off)

 

[charl_huntress]

I love those shows and watch them all the time…I didn't see a Bat-god in them.

Then we have different ideas on what is bat-god and what is not.

II'd rather see superman come face to face with an equal than that other creature.

That's fine, but they need to be equal.

Anyhoo...I am not worried about this as of yet. I'm steeled either way no matter what happens.

 

[MrsKent26]

I thought batman was lame and forgettable and indicative of a rich guy in a suit with handy spray cans and fun villains till I was handed the frank miller/morrison/loeb books. Then the character quickly became my favorite for a time.

Best way to end this streak of having his own bat films stolen from him, I say make him as special and interesting as he is in those books. As for how that might affect a superman film. I'd rather see superman come face to face with an equal than that other creature.

I'm sure there's a compromise in there somewhere.

There's nothing wrong with having batman as your favorite character. I used to prefer him too back in the day. But I think some batfans (not necessarily you) don't see many examples of batgod because they only look at things from a batman perspective. They think "Batgod" is merely batman exercising his innate superiority and Superfans are making up batgod because they don't accept that batman is simply a better character.

There is a compromise. It's called viewing both as characters and using neither as a means of making the other look "cool."

 

[Marvin]

If this was a dc marvel cross over(I lived it), the one where Thor was going to meet superman and batman meet cap. JLAvengers.
These sorts of discussions about who is going to look better and come out on top, were all the rage. BUT when the Superman/Batman book was announced it was nothing but unanimous celebration. I'm new to this idea of rival fans of these two characters vying for glory/victory.

All's I know is that if it's the same bats that was in TDKR(thowring cherry bombs at bane and crawing back to lucious fox), I'll be disappointed that they two finally met and it was that guy. I've of the mind that when Wayne comes into town even Luthor(the real luthor) needs to cancel his appointments.

I don't see any other scenario than the two characters being equals. That's the way it's always been?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I'd just like Batman to be closer -- not necessarily equal -- to the source material (and yes, even the Bruce Timm stuff). In saying that, I'm not advocating for full-on "batgod" mode, but I would like to see a depiction of the character that is smarter, wiser and better skilled than previous incarnations on film.