BvS David S. Goyer IS the Script Writer! - Part 2

[MrsKent26]

If this was a dc marvel cross over(I lived it), the one where Thor was going to meet superman and batman meet cap. JLAvengers.
These sorts of discussions about who is going to look better and come out on top, were all the rage. BUT when the Superman/Batman book was announced it was nothing but unanimous celebration. I'm new to this idea of rival fans of these two characters vying for glory/victory.

All's I know is that if it's the same bats that was in TDKR(thowring cherry bombs at bane and crawing back to lucious fox), I'll be disappointed that they two finally met and it was that guy. I've of the mind that when Wayne comes into town even Luthor(the real luthor) needs to cancel his appointments.

I don't see any other scenario than the two characters being equals. That's the way it's always been?

That's the way it should be; they should be equals. That's what's true to the characters at their core. But sometimes writers twist this and when they do, it usually comes out in batman's favor.

I agree with your thoughts on Bats, though. I don't want reverse bat-god in the movie, either. Meaning: I don't want Superman coming out on top because of a weak, watered-down batman. Batman should be a formidable foe for Superman, maybe even on the same level as Luthor (although with different tactics because batman has rules/morals). I want to see the two men both winning and losing and realizing they just might be each other's greatest challenge. If they're going to call this movie Batman vs Superman, make it epic, but keep them in character and do what is natural for the characters. Don't do what makes one the greatest and the other a chump.

Personally, I think it would be cool to have Batman as an antagonist for a bit. Make him truly believe Superman is a danger to humanity (after MOS, that is believable) and want to protect them from him. Maybe Luthor meets Bruce Wayne and adds fire to flames to get batman to hate Superman.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

There is a compromise. It's called viewing both as characters and using neither as a means of making the other look "cool."

I'd be fine so long as they presented them both as equals on some level. Whether we like it or not, though; and, regardless of how the script portrays both characters, there are fans out there who will come away thinking that one guy consistently punked the other when all is said and done.

 

[charl_huntress]

The issue for me is in most stories where Bats and Supes are teamed up the story generally favors Bats. He gets all the action. He solves all the problems and Superman ends up being needed only to punch something that Batman can't beat on his own. I'd like a story that combined their respective talents. That's what is always missing for me. They actually need to share the story and not have one person's talents over shadow the others.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I'd like a story that combined their respective talents. That's what is always missing for me. They actually need to share the story and not have one person's talents over shadow the others.

Sounds good to me, Helena.

 

[MrsKent26]

It's a challenge to write them both, for sure. So it's really a good thing there are two writers now.

 

[charl_huntress]

Sounds good to me, Helena.

hehe...lol t:

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

As much as I loved MoS, I felt the script left some room for improvement. I'd always been hoping they would bring in another set of eyes, but I didn't think it would actually happen; so this is certainly good news.

 

[charl_huntress]

As much as I loved MoS, I felt the script left some room for improvement. I'd always been hoping they would bring in another set of eyes, but I didn't think it would actually happen; so this is certainly good news.

How do you feel about the guy who has been chosen?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

An ideal scenario for me would be to have Bruce use his intellect in a surreptitious fashion so as to gain the upper hand on occasion. In turn, Superman, at some point early on, should stop him in his tracks, saying something like, "I let you get away with that the first time, Bruce. The next time you try it, you'll shatter every bone in your right hand. So, go ahead. Rest assured, I won't be moving out of the way."

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

How do you feel about the guy who has been chosen?

I don't know much about him, but I think Argo is a well-crafted film; and I welcome any screenwriter involved with its genesis.

 

[MrsKent26]

An ideal scenario for me would be to have Bruce use his intellect in a surreptitious fashion so as to gain the upper hand on occasion. In turn, Superman, at some point early on, should stop him in his tracks, saying something like, "I let you get away with that the first time, Bruce. The next time you try it, you'll shatter every bone in your right hand. So, go ahead. Rest assured, I won't be moving out of the way."

That could work. Superman has non-physical weaknesses that batman can use. And I'm ok with him using them. Just don't make superman a chump all the time. Show Superman to still be intelligent, but also fallible. He can succumb to some attacks and dodge others.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

That could work. Superman has non-physical weaknesses that batman can use. And I'm ok with him using them. Just don't make superman a chump all the time. Show Superman to still be intelligent, but also fallible. He can succumb to some attacks and dodge others.

Agreed. One of the things I liked about MoS was the scene in which we see Clark reading Plato in his youth. "The big dumb alien" characterization that has often been applied to Superman in the past never made any sense to me.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I just really want to see much more character development. Man of Steel had the action, but characters weren't as complete as I had hoped for.

 

[MrsKent26]

Agreed. One of the things I liked about MoS was the scene in which we see Clark reading Plato in his youth. "The big dumb alien" characterization that has often been applied to Superman in the past never made any sense to me.

Me neither. And that notion doesn't even make batman look good. Where is the victory in beating an alien that is too stupid to use its brain at all?

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I'd just like Batman to be closer -- not necessarily equal -- to the source material (and yes, even the Bruce Timm stuff). In saying that, I'm not advocating for full-on "batgod" mode, but I would like to see a depiction of the character that is smarter, wiser and better skilled than previous incarnations on film.

I don't think you're in the minority. I'd want Batman to be vulnerable to an extent (he can take a punch, but he pretty much has to hide from gunmen).

I feel like Zack will have the most "atmospheric" Batman of them all, and will definitely fight the smoothest.

 

[Krumm]

That could work. Superman has non-physical weaknesses that batman can use. And I'm ok with him using them. Just don't make superman a chump all the time. Show Superman to still be intelligent, but also fallible. He can succumb to some attacks and dodge others.

That's usually the problem I find. In order to bolster Batman's importance in the presence of other heroes, writers bring the other heroes down.

Hmm, now that I write that, it sounds an awful lot like bullying...

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I feel like Zack will have the most "atmospheric" Batman of them all, and will definitely fight the smoothest.

I don't want to get my hopes up this early, but that's the feeling I have as well. Even if some of us don't walk away loving Zack's interpretation of the character, I'm pretty sure there will at least be certain moments where we're all taken aback by his creativity.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

with a sudden voice coming from behind, i thought she would have freakout and fallen from the edge. lol

I always thought that about Titanic. She's hanging off the side of tr ship and he comes up and says "don't do it". I would have screamed and fallen off.

 

[charl_huntress]

In order to bolster Batman's importance in the presence of other heroes, writers bring the other heroes down.

This is exactly it. Often times because Bats is human the writers will depower other powered villains and heroes so he can be included. I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with this if they didn't take it a step further by making Bats superior in almost everyway so he can save the day. Writers don't do this for any other character except Bats.

 

[vantheman77]

Writers who tend to make Batman important while dumbing down the other DCU heroes definitely are not good at writing team-up stories where heroes are shown in equal light. There are ways of doing that. I think they got caught up in the coolness of Batman than anything else.

I hope both David Goyer and Chris Terrios write Superman and Batman on equal footing without having one dumb down the other. I also hope they realize they may have to satisfy both Superman and Batman fans and not choosing one over the other.

 

[DChero]

This is exactly it. Often times because Bats is human the writers will depower other powered villains and heroes so he can be included. I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with this if they didn't take it a step further by making Bats superior in almost everyway so he can save the day. Writers don't do this for any other character except Bats.

Writers who tend to make Batman important while dumbing down the other DCU heroes definitely are not good at writing team-up stories where heroes are shown in equal light. There are ways of doing that. I think they got caught up in the coolness of Batman than anything else.

I hope both David Goyer and Chris Terrios write Superman and Batman on equal footing without having one dumb down the other. I also hope they realize they may have to satisfy both Superman and Batman fans and not choosing one over the other.

I completely agree. It's ridiculous the lengths that some writers have gone to force Batman into a story. I remember a scene from an animated movie in which Batman survives some of Darkseid's blows. Armor or not, the human body shouldn't be able to tolerate that type of impact.

As much as I love the Batman character, I can go on all day about how much Superman has suffered because Batman needs to seem important.

 

[Micromind]

I think that after TDK trilogy, Goyer may be feeling a bit of out of ideas about how to write Batman, but he will still be full of ideas about how to write Superman...which may be the reason why Ben's trusted writer has been brought in..to write some more treatment fro Batman parts and polish the dialogue of the whole draft as well.

 

[roach]

I think that after TDK trilogy, Goyer may be feeling a bit of out of ideas about how to write Batman, but he will still be full of ideas about how to write Superman...which may be the reason why Ben's trusted writer has been brought in..to write some more treatment fro Batman parts and polish the dialogue of the whole draft as well.

I don't think this is the case. Goyer isn't rewriting this script because he is busy with other DC scripts. It shouldn't be that hard to write a Batman once the Nolan shackles are off him.

 

[NosfeRomas]

I refuse to believe people have run out of ideas for comic book movies. It is just too soon for that.

 

[DChero]

I refuse to believe people have run out of ideas for comic book movies. It is just too soon for that.

Absolutely. With a combined thousand years of stories about Justice League characters alone, there's always going to be something to base movies or television on.