BvS David S. Goyer IS the Script Writer! - Part 2

[TheFlamingCoco]

Yea many might disagree but I feel Goyer is one whom finally cracked the 'why didn't jor/lara join clark' riddle.
For me anyways.

I prefer a willful sacrifice than "woops, I didn't make a ship big enough for two" or "I guess I'll have to send out the experimental aircraft."

 

[MrsKent26]

Zod wanted Old Krypton. He said it himself. His only purpose was to protect Krypton. He didn't want any new race. He wanted what he had before Krypton blew up.

 

[DA_Champion]

Zod wanted Old Krypton. He said it himself. His only purpose was to protect Krypton. He didn't want any new race. He wanted what he had before Krypton blew up.

But then how does he rebel against the ruling council?

 

[MrsKent26]

He is the council. He rebelled against them in the first place because they were acting against Krypton's interests. He is now in charge and can protect Krypton as he sees fit and not have those "endless debates that have led Krypton to ruins."

 

[Wise]

The way I saw it, Lois is a big reason why he wants to work there. And I assume the idea of journalism was inspired by Lois. There was nothing that showed me that he didn't go to college.



I don't think they'd want a world of Kryptonians that can shoot laser beams out of their eyes. It would be a little hard to control, no?

But their strength would all be relative. Clark can snap Zod's neck because their strength is relative to two humans fighting.

Technically the laser eyes shouldn't even be able to harm other Kryptonians or else it would harm the person firing them and be horribly painful to even attempt, thereby defeating the point of using it in the first place.

 

[DA_Champion]

When you say that Zod doesn't want New Krypton to have a yellow Sun, you are saying that he is so enamoured of Old Krypton that he lacks the originality to imagine a better world, which is fine. You argue that Zod is an ideologue, and a conservative in the traditional sense, i.e. one who wants to maintain things as they are. Part of the reason he is this way, perhaps the only reason, is that he is genetically engineered and bred to be the defender of the existing power structure, of a precisely defined "Krypton".

However, what Zod does in his rebellion makes him a ... rebel and a reformer, and not a conservative. He is not idealising the old power structures, he is visualising a better Krypton, specifically one with the problematic bloodlines removed. He is a revolutionary, not a conservative.

 

[Wise]

Zod wanted Old Krypton. He said it himself. His only purpose was to protect Krypton. He didn't want any new race. He wanted what he had before Krypton blew up.

leading to my absolute favorite Zod line in the film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOHFCuLj2uI

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

But their strength would all be relative. Clark can snap Zod's neck because their strength is relative to two humans fighting.

Technically the laser eyes shouldn't even be able to harm other Kryptonians or else it would harm the person firing them and be horribly painful to even attempt, thereby defeating the point of using it in the first place.

Well Clark seemed to be able to harm Faora with his laser eyes.

Plus, what about buildings?

Can you imagine the kind of trouble people would get into? A guy throws a fit and reduces a building to rubble?

But regardless, I just don't think Zod wanted to compromise. He wanted it be like Krypton, where people don't fly around, can look through people's clothes, and shoot laser beams out of their eyes.

Zod didn't want to rule over humans. He wanted to rule over a world of Kryptonians to see them succeed.

 

[DA_Champion]

Laser guns don't get destroyed by the lasers they fire.

 

[MrsKent26]

When you say that he doesn't want New Krypton to have a yellow Sun, you are saying that he is so enamoured of Old Krypton that he lacks the originality to imagine a better world, which is fine. You argue that Zod is an ideologue, and a conservative in the traditional sense, i.e. one who wants to maintain things as they are. Part of the reason he is this way, perhaps the only reason, is that he is genetically engineered and bred to be the defender of the existing power structure, of a precisely defined "Krypton".

However, what Zod does in his rebellion makes him a ... rebel and a reformer, and not a conservative. He is not idealising the old power structures, he is visualising a better Krypton, specifically one with the problematic bloodlines removed. He is a revolutionary, not a conservative.

I agree to an extent. He does want some reform. But only so far as to allow Krypton to survive. He has to be revolutionary to fulfill his purpose of protecting Krypton. Without revolution, Krypton will die. Again.

The old power structures killed the planet. He wants what he had before but realizes it will die without some key changes.

Also, if every Kryptonian was strong under yellow sun, they are essentially where they started. Everyone at equal strength. So why not have Old Krypton back to enjoy and feel at home? And Terraforming takes care of the humans. I doubt Zod wants them around because Kryptonians are his priority.

Plus, there could be genetic reasons. Maybe Kryptonians can live on Earth when they are beyond the incubation stage, but they need their natural environment at the embryonic stage. I remember Ma Kent saying Clark had trouble breathing as baby, but Zod and his cronies clearly didn't when they arrived. So perhaps, baby Kryptonians would not be strong enough to survive the first bit of live without their natural habitat.

 

[Wise]

Well Clark seemed to be able to harm Faora with his laser eyes.

Plus, what about buildings?

Can you imagine the kind of trouble people would get into? A guy throws a fit and reduces a building to rubble?

But regardless, I just don't think Zod wanted to compromise. He wanted it be like Krypton, where people don't fly around, can look through people's clothes, and shoot laser beams out of their eyes.

Zod didn't want to rule over humans. He wanted to rule over a world of Kryptonians to see them succeed.

It all begs the question of was what Zod wanted even possible? What would he know about Terraforming anyhow? Those practices were abandoned centuries beforehand. Changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere wouldn't change the age and brightness of it's star.

Is Goyer saying that Superman's powers only work when he's within the confines of Earth's atmosphere (Which would mean he'd die when flying through space, which we see him doing when he first learns to fly)?

So would a Kryptonian who left Earth after the terraforming have Super powers outside earth's atmosphere? Would Clark have died in space if he'd jumped out of the Black Zero's airlock before Zod changed the ship's atmosphere or would he have gotten his powers back? Is the sun's affect instantaneous?

 

[Wise]

Laser guns don't get destroyed by the lasers they fire.

But they would if the beam was reflected back upon them. Laser guns also don't have barrels that are made of flesh with nerves to sense heat and pain.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

When you say that Zod doesn't want New Krypton to have a yellow Sun, you are saying that he is so enamoured of Old Krypton that he lacks the originality to imagine a better world, which is fine. You argue that Zod is an ideologue, and a conservative in the traditional sense, i.e. one who wants to maintain things as they are. Part of the reason he is this way, perhaps the only reason, is that he is genetically engineered and bred to be the defender of the existing power structure, of a precisely defined "Krypton".

However, what Zod does in his rebellion makes him a ... rebel and a reformer, and not a conservative. He is not idealising the old power structures, he is visualising a better Krypton, specifically one with the problematic bloodlines removed. He is a revolutionary, not a conservative.

If a group of radical conservatives rose up and took over the White House because they love America and want to see it be even more conservative than it's ever been, I still think they'd be called conservatives.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

It all begs the question of was what Zod wanted even possible? What would he know about Terraforming anyhow? Those practices were abandoned centuries beforehand.

Zod probably saw no harm in trying.

 

[Marvin]

Superman's powers being fueled by earth is like superman's powers being fueled by the sun in the comics. That doesn't magically go away after 4 minutes of not being under direct sunlight. What's more, it's not clear which powers he gains from atmosphere.
There is alot of vague exposition here that creates lots of possibilities for future films.

As for this idea that zod would enjoy trying to control a planet full of supermen. Given how much trouble the farm raised kal gave him due to powers, I'd imagine he'd have better luck under the old krypton paradigm.

 

[charl_huntress]

There were small narrative choices about the MoS script that bugged me.

Clark's directionless life and lack of evidence of writing skills or an ambition to work in a newsroom were one. The way he goes to work at the planet felt a little forced because of this. An audience unfamiliar with the Superman character would think he was going to work there just because his girlfriend works there.

This was the only way I could really read that scene as well. I didn't mind though. I like that he did go there for Lois. I was okay with that change, but I did wonder where he got the credentials to be hired in the first place.

I also thought it was a little stupid that the Kryptonians would want to terraform Earth to match the harsh environment of Krypton. It only took a few hours for Zod to completely adapt to Earth's atmosphere. So if they turned Earth into Krypton wouldn't they lose their powers and be stuck with a planet full of corpses?

I had no problem with this. I think Zod didn't want anything but New Krypton. He was blinded to any benefits that didn't achieve that goal. The movie could have highlighted this a bit more in scene he has with Kal though.

 

[Wise]

Well Clark seemed to be able to harm Faora with his laser eyes.

Plus, what about buildings?

Can you imagine the kind of trouble people would get into? A guy throws a fit and reduces a building to rubble?

But regardless, I just don't think Zod wanted to compromise. He wanted it be like Krypton, where people don't fly around, can look through people's clothes, and shoot laser beams out of their eyes.

Zod didn't want to rule over humans. He wanted to rule over a world of Kryptonians to see them succeed.

They could just build their buildings out of the same material as their armor. Clark wasn't able to shatter or dent that.

 

[MrsKent26]

I think Zod just had tunnel "protect Krypton" vision and he defined Krypton as it was. So when faced with "having no people" after Krypton was no more, he sought to remake it as it was with the exception of some key flaws that led to its demise in his eyes. Being from a genetically predetermined society that focused on people fitting into roles would affect original thought. "Think for yourself" would not be encouraged in that society.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

They could just build their buildings out of the same material as their armor. Clark wasn't able to shatter or dent that.

Well I doubt they have this material just lying around, and I don't think they'd want to go out exploring the universe in hopes that they find enough of this material for to build their structures till the end of time when they can just try to terraform the Earth instead.

Also, it's beyond the point. Zod wanted Krypton to live again, and he only wants the bloodlines he deems worthy (not human presumably).

 

[roach]

I think Zod just had tunnel "protect Krypton" vision and he defined Krypton as it was. So when faced with "having no people" after Krypton was no more, he sought to remake it as it was with the exception of some key flaws that led to its demise in his eyes. Being from a genetically predetermined society that focused on people fitting into roles would affect original thought. "Think for yourself" would not be encouraged in that society.

General Zod is a product of Old Krypton. He is rigid and unchangeable. As a general he thinks in terms of war. Faced with the destruction of his planet Zod's plan was to lead a coupe. Could Zod have shared earth with humans…probably…but it's not in his genetics to compromise.

 

[The Guard]

I thought "Krypton had its chance" was essentially the reason Lara and Jor-El didn't plan on escaping Krypton with Kal-el. They didn't want Kal to recreate Krypton as it had been, with people being artificially born and predestined to be a certain thing. They wanted Kal to start things over for Krypton because "Krypton had its chance." Kal did the same thing as his father: He sacrificed Old Krypton for free people that have choice over who they become. Powerful stuff. And genius line by Goyer.

Exactly.

 

[The Guard]

Clark's directionless life and lack of evidence of writing skills or an ambition to work in a newsroom were one. The way he goes to work at the planet felt a little forced because of this. An audience unfamiliar with the Superman character would think he was going to work there just because his girlfriend works there.

Maybe if they didn't pay attention to the movie, where Clark flat out says WHY he's going to work there.

 

[Krumm]

When you say that Zod doesn't want New Krypton to have a yellow Sun, you are saying that he is so enamoured of Old Krypton that he lacks the originality to imagine a better world, which is fine. You argue that Zod is an ideologue, and a conservative in the traditional sense, i.e. one who wants to maintain things as they are. Part of the reason he is this way, perhaps the only reason, is that he is genetically engineered and bred to be the defender of the existing power structure, of a precisely defined "Krypton".

However, what Zod does in his rebellion makes him a ... rebel and a reformer, and not a conservative. He is not idealising the old power structures, he is visualising a better Krypton, specifically one with the problematic bloodlines removed. He is a revolutionary, not a conservative.

His prime directive is the survival of Krypton. The council's lame duck approach jeopardizes that so they must be removed.

 

[Alonsovich]

*ahem*

Seems like Ben Affleck just took control over this movie...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/batman-superman-chris-terrio-write-666735

 

[MrsKent26]

Well guys, I got what I always wanted today. Goyer is getting some help.

Thank you blessed angels in heaven.

And also Ben Affleck.