BvS David S. Goyer IS the Script Writer! - Part 3

[TheBat812]

My problem with Goyer is, for someone who works with so many comic book movies, he doesn't seem to have much faith his source material. Why are you tackling Superman if you have no idea how to make Clark Kent work? The answer is in the comics, you're not trying to reinvent the wheel. Just start with the comics and go from there.

To me, he finally made Clark Kent actually work in a way that I believed and didn't have to suspend so much disbelief to the point of everyone around him being an idiot, which is one of the few issues I have with the show Arrow.

He made a concept that no longer really worked for audiences workable.

 

[Mr. Finger]

This discussion is just bananas

Seriously, holy ****

Yep..
I have a very strong feeling that many haven't listened to the discussion..

http://scriptnotes.net/rss

20 minutes in, Goyer hits the stage, but it is a good listen leading up to that mark as well with the writers of the "Captain America" material..

5 guys and a lady having a round table type chat, drawing names out of the proverbial hat, and then discussing how they would go about it.. Character > film... Reboot type of thing..
And Goyer got "MM".. She-hulk was someone else's pick from the hat.. So it was a discussion, not just one man giving an opinion like it is being made out.

Like I said before.. I am not really a fan of most of Goyer's work.. But this is nuts...

This is kind of a barometer on how people read in to this, or actually taking the time to listen to it and make their own decision.. Again... Nuts..

 

[Mr. Finger]

To me, he finally made Clark Kent actually work in a way that I believed and didn't have to suspend so much disbelief to the point of everyone around him being an idiot, which is one of the few issues I have with the show Arrow.

He made a concept that no longer really worked for audiences workable.

Agree

 

[Marvin]

My problem with Goyer is, for someone who works with so many comic book movies, he doesn't seem to have much faith his source material. Why are you tackling Superman if you have no idea how to make Clark Kent work? The answer is in the comics, you're not trying to reinvent the wheel. Just start with the comics and go from there.

Goyer's method has actually worked out for him more often than not. Starting with Blade.

I would argue the main benefit for doing it is to engage a broader audience. Again, see blade. It also expands on the source material and mythology as is. There is nothing wrong with exploring the why's of something(unless you have to content with a rabid fanbase that is). The why of the kill rule for example. Vampirism and it's motivation etc. Simply doing what has been established yielded that prior superman film. Something Singer only seems to do when working with DC.

As for not 'getting' how to make clark work? How did we come upon that?

 

[InJustice]

It's not a funny joke.

Michael Richards had a racial slur while doing stand up in the 90s, now look at him.

It was just a joke he was telling though.

Comparing a racial slur to Goyer poking fun at comic book characters...I hope you do realize how idiotic it sounds to compare it like that. Honestly, this sounds like you're letting your Goyer hate blind you.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Agreed, but how much of that can you do before you suck all the cool stuff out of it?

This. I'd argue that showing an unbridled comic-book universe including a larger crossover than the Avengers gave us would be a way to one up Marvel.

 

[TheBat812]

It's a matter of taste. Personally I love the goyer/Nolan/Snyder sensibility, so his approach is a-ok with me! Their idea of verisimilitude and how to approach it aesthetically is right up my alley. Still could use more finesse in story/execution, but it's still way preferred to the majority if marvels stuff at this point. (Not that this has to be a marvel/dc contest, I simply prefer docs approach so far).

 

[Kal-El.9859]

He and Nolan have a common aesthetic; namely, they prefer to secularize the superhero material when possible. Sure, we have aliens, planet-reformatting machines, and eye-lasers in this universe, but, we won't see the multiple universes, miracle machines, or anti-life equation, under Goyer's pen. There's nothing wrong with that; he restrains the fantastic elements, to help distinguish DC on the marketplace.

We need someone who isn't afraid of using the fantastic elements to tell a comic book story

 

[Marvin]

We need someone who isn't afraid of using the fantastic elements to tell a comic book story

There is plenty fantastic in all his works. Including da vici.
It's not like superman is a mutant with a jet pack and no disguise...etc Or for all the science in blade, they did go up against a 'god'.
Then there are his other works, including ghost rider 2 contributions

I mostly wish people were more accurate in their criticism, it would save alot of time.

 

[DA_Champion]

Agreed, but how much of that can you do before you suck all the cool stuff out of it?

Anti life equation is stupid so i don't see it as a problem.

 

[Lencho01]

Stan said:

Why Stan Lee created She-Hulk: I know I was looking for a new female superhero, and the idea of an intelligent Hulk-type grabbed me.

She-Hulk's purpose in the comics: Never for an instant did I want her as a love interest for Hulk. Only a nut would even think of that.

She-Hulk's muscular physique: As for her looking beautiful and curvy, show me the superheroine who isn’t.

Now what did Neal say?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Anti life equation is stupid so idobt see it as a problem.

What's something a lot of people are afraid of?

Life having no purpose.



The Anti-Life equation is scientific proof of it. Once illuminated to this, your soul essentially dies, and you become an extension of Darkseid.




Why is that stupid?

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

As Stan said. Only a nut would think of that.

 

[Spoonman]

Is this Thread stuck in the past or something? I thought Chris Terrio was the Script Writer

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Is this Thread stuck in the past or something? I thought Chris Terrio was the Script Writer

The people still need something to complain about.

 

[jonathancrane]

Even though I like the abstract/super fantastic concepts, I don't have a problem with their absence. I was trying to illustrate the aforementioned tension, not complain about the present aesthetic.

 

[Xandrea]

He and Nolan have a common aesthetic; namely, they prefer to secularize the superhero material when possible. Sure, we have aliens, planet-reformatting machines, and eye-lasers in this universe, but, we won't see the multiple universes, miracle machines, or anti-life equation, under Goyer's pen. There's nothing wrong with that; he restrains the fantastic elements, to help distinguish DC on the marketplace.

We have absolutely no reason to believe these concepts won't be used. Man of Steel was not realistic. The Krypton stuff was straight up bizarre.

 

[Mr_336]

Is this Thread stuck in the past or something? I thought Chris Terrio was the Script Writer

One would think to change the thread title since Terrio was called in

 

[Xandrea]

Anti life equation is stupid so i don't see it as a problem.

It is one of the coolest concepts in comics. I have little doubt that Darkseid will show up in the Justice League movies. Maybe even in the first one. And if he shows up then Anti-life will show up with him.

 

[The Guard]

So...Neal Adams didn't say anything, then.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

The **** storm that Goyer's comments started on tumblr is ridiculous.
Suddenly everybody gives a **** about she hulk

 

[Bam-Bam]

Why isn't Terrio getting any love in the thread title?

Would be greatly appreciated if someone added his name.

 

[D.P.]

This is such a non-issue. What a waste of time.

Goyer actually had some valid points in there, but he delivered them in a crass and kind of ignorant way.

Our super PC culture and Tumblr social justice warriors love this kind of stuff though.

 

[Marvin]

The venue allows for the crass. Not all that different than a stand up comics venue allowing for tone. imo.

The **** storm that Goyer's comments started on tumblr is ridiculous.
Suddenly everybody gives a **** about she hulk

Yea I browsed a few pages. Some headlines literally read: "Man of Steel writer calls SheHulk a porn star and insults Geeks". Talk about click bait. Leaving little room for context to be sure.

Meanwhile other posts are of this nature;

again, with little context.

gotta love the internet age.

 

[STARMAN]

We already know Goyer's approach to these characters. At this point I'm more interested in Terrio's view of these characters than anything else.