DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 1

[roach]

he wrote Uncanny, created Generation X....he's good

 

[Mr. Earle]

That's good news then!

 

[CConn]

Still, unless their lineup is absolutely awesome, I think I'll take this as an excuse to drop TT.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Me too.

 

[SouLeSS]

They need to cut the **** with all the c/d level heroes SIDEKICKS and get down to it being like just the main dudes.

 

[Mr. Earle]

You mean the Titans or DC in general?

 

[SouLeSS]

TT.

It should logically be;
A Robin
A Supergirl/boy
A Wondergirl/boy
A Kid Flash
An Aqualad/lass
A speedy/kid arrow
A Cyborg/MM character who takes the roll more or less of communications
as the core members of the team. Have a buncha different side kicks with them doing stuff, sure. Like one issue could be Robin and Aqualad out with a buncha z lister sidekicks shaping them into a force to be rekoned with.

But this whole "the entire TT have never met before and 80% of them aren't white!" just sounds like the worst thing.

 

[Mr. Earle]

If i remember correctly Cyborg had a cyborg niece or something. Or was that Steel? But you probably mean actual Cyborg, acting as their commanding officer right? Yeah that makes sense.

I want the main sidekicks too, but if there's a cool young hero out there, i'd be all for it. I mean Blue Beetle is awesome. I just hope they give us a new team with new dynamics and less mopey stuff. Also, Superboy is probably the blandest character in the DCU, i hope we get SG.

 

[roach]

i'll see the team first before I get mad

 

[CConn]

If Blue Beetle, Supergirl, and Damian are on te team, I'll have to buy it.

 

[Kurosawa]

And everyone would be ok with that except the Flash fans.


GL fans ultimately can get along because the characters that clash don't wear the same costume. Alan, Hal, and Kyle are best know in their own clothes. They do clash when it comes to 2814 or Earth as their jurisdiction but that problem is usually solved with expanding the assignment. "You're BOTH the officer for this sector."

With Flash the problem boils down to Wally fans having a death fetish for Barry and the fact that Wally started wearing the red bodysuit. Now no matter what happens he's always playing second fiddle to Barry in their eyes. And when I say eyes I mean the costume is a physical representation of that.

If Wally fans had seen him in his yellow togs as long as I saw him in them, they prolly wouldn't have a problem with him putting that suit or a variation of it back on and calling himself The Flash as well.

Jay.
Barry.
Wally.
Bart.

They are all Flashes too me. They just dress differently.

Yet people are okay with Dick and Bruce both being Batman and wearing costumes that are just as similar as Barry and Wally's most recent costumes. Mostly it's like you said, Wally fans (for some crazy reason) have a death fetish for Barry.

Wally is a total Silver Age character. He was created by John Broome and Carmine Infantino, whose work most hardcore "love Wally/kill Barry" fans would hate if they even knew who they were.

Who is Scott Lobdell? Is he any good? I mean i could google him but i'd just get a bunch of comics titles so i'd like a personal opinion.

On another note, if this is really a reboot, i'd be very interested in seeing the founding of the JL and the Titans, with new dynamics and stories of course. Specifically for the Titans, i think that they shouldnt be as organized as they used to be. I mean here we had some teens hanging out in a tower and doing monitor duty. I didnt like those teen cops. I liked them more in that TT: Year one i think it was called where they were just starting and they didnt have a base, computers and all that.

I think it would work better if they re just teens teaming up and hanging out, perhaps getting their missions from the JL like in the YJ cartoon, and so on. Also, lets hope that they re not a bunch of *****ebags and losers this time around and that they dont die in horrific ways every other issue. Finally, i hope we get this roster more or less (add Blackualad for example, but the cool one from YJ).

He wrote X-Men in the 90's. He was a pretty good writer then as I remember, especially with characterization. He wrote Scott and Jean's wedding as I recall. Haven't read anything from him recently.

 

[SouLeSS]

If i remember correctly Cyborg had a cyborg niece or something. Or was that Steel? But you probably mean actual Cyborg, acting as their commanding officer right? Yeah that makes sense.

I want the main sidekicks too, but if there's a cool young hero out there, i'd be all for it. I mean Blue Beetle is awesome. I just hope they give us a new team with new dynamics and less mopey stuff. Also, Superboy is probably the blandest character in the DCU, i hope we get SG.

It just seems like both Cyborg and MM are mostly playing monitor duty watching from above and making sure the coms are up way more than actually doing stuff. They get their hands dirty here and there, but mostly are just about the overall team aspect rather than the individual aspect.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't speak for Wally fans in general, but I'm personally only upset because Wally does not have his own series. The Green Lanterns got their own little corners to shine in after Hal came back. Dick and Bruce had their own Batman comics. As of right now, the only Flash comic in existence follows Barry and Barry only. Wally may show up from time to time, but that's hardly enough for someone who's primarily interested in him.

Who is Scott Lobdell? Is he any good? I mean i could google him but i'd just get a bunch of comics titles so i'd like a personal opinion.

On another note, if this is really a reboot, i'd be very interested in seeing the founding of the JL and the Titans, with new dynamics and stories of course. Specifically for the Titans, i think that they shouldnt be as organized as they used to be. I mean here we had some teens hanging out in a tower and doing monitor duty. I didnt like those teen cops. I liked them more in that TT: Year one i think it was called where they were just starting and they didnt have a base, computers and all that.

I think it would work better if they re just teens teaming up and hanging out, perhaps getting their missions from the JL like in the YJ cartoon, and so on. Also, lets hope that they re not a bunch of *****ebags and losers this time around and that they dont die in horrific ways every other issue. Finally, i hope we get this roster more or less (add Blackualad for example, but the cool one from YJ).

Wow. That would be a pass for me. Dear God, I would pass on that so hard.

 

[roach]

wasnt there a Flash Corp announced

 

[SouLeSS]

Whatever happened to the Flash Corps book Johns was supposed to do that had Wally as the central focus with the rest of the Flash family? Or was that all in my head...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It got demoted to a backup in Barry's series, then that got canceled as well when DC decided not to do any backups anymore.

 

[Manic]

TT.

It should logically be;
A Robin
A Supergirl/boy
A Wondergirl/boy
A Kid Flash
An Aqualad/lass
A speedy/kid arrow
A Cyborg/MM character who takes the roll more or less of communications
as the core members of the team. Have a buncha different side kicks with them doing stuff, sure. Like one issue could be Robin and Aqualad out with a buncha z lister sidekicks shaping them into a force to be rekoned with.

But this whole "the entire TT have never met before and 80% of them aren't white!" just sounds like the worst thing.

I've lost track of who has and hasn't met among the younger superheroes, but Batman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman all have non-white sidekicks. Robin is Arab, Impulse is Korean, Aqualad is black, and Miss Martian is green (okay, so she's really a White Martian, but that hardly counts as "white" in the same sense of the word).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't cherry-pick. Miss Martian is whiter than white. It counts.

 

[SouLeSS]

I've lost track of who has and hasn't met among the younger superheroes, but Batman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman all have non-white sidekicks. Robin is Arab, Impulse is Korean, Aqualad is black, and Miss Martian is green (okay, so she's really a White Martian, but that hardly counts as "white" in the same sense of the word).

The whole way it was marketed though when I read the solict or the blurb on it was this whole MINORITY ROCKS! thing and goddamn does that sound awful.

Not that minorities are bad, but you don't give me a book with Chong Chun the asian math master, Zumbac Tqueni the expert hunter who can run really fast and jump really far but not quite superhuman levels, Heratio Sanchez the lazy guy on the team and Vladimir Rustonavic the quite (or raging like a crazy russian) strong guy who knows too much about war and guns just because they're miorities and it would be totally unracist to do that. You put them together because there's actually a reason.

As it stands, I can't help but think they're going to come up with 2 -3 new members that have never been seen before and are new parts of a legacy but are of-a-varying-race-that-has-nothign-really-to-do-with-the-past-character-kinda-like-how-Jamie-was-just-a-random-mexican-kid-who-was-in-the-wrong-place-at-the-wrong-time, as well as combing through all the "who the **** is that?" sidekicks to find a few non-whites to accompany the "real heroes".

 

[roach]

Minoriteam Titans

 

[Manic]

Dwayne McDuffie was right. Three or more minorities, and suddenly people start screaming about an agenda getting shoved down their throats.

 

[roach]

Dwayne McDuffie was right. Three or more minorities, and suddenly people start screaming about an agenda getting shoved down their throats.

wow...he was right

 

[SouLeSS]

Dwayne McDuffie was right. Three or more minorities, and suddenly people start screaming about an agenda getting shoved down their throats.

I have no problems with minoritisees in it, but don't make a point of the marketing to say HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT THIS IS MOSTLY A MINORITY TEAM!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, this is a bit odd. Come on, the Teen Titans have been pretty minority-heavy for some time now. It's nothing big. I don't even know why Johnston highlighted it in his coverage of the comic.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I have no problems with minoritisees in it, but don't make a point of the marketing to say HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT THIS IS MOSTLY A MINORITY TEAM!

Market? They haven't even announced it. Bleedingcool is reporting that it's happening, no word from DC.