DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 3

[Anubis]

Well for Jesus sake you cant stay the same. That **** gets boring. I like that DC is doing this because it gives chance of bringing new readers and being able to tell great stories. Plus not writing for the trade anymore is gonna be great for me as a person who reads monthly. While I really like Grant's Batman run, it to me symbolizes everything that is wrong with comics today. Writing for trade, **** that no one understands even if you do some research. Also the thing about research is this. If I never watch Batman Begins I could have still watch TDK and enjoyed it. Good writers should be able to make stories that anybody could read and understand but the guys like us would have a better understanding and a more enjoyable time reading it.

Ya huh.

 

[Kurosawa]

is it just me, but everytime these comic companies promise "big changes," it usually falls flat.

like when they try to alter the status quo, it invariably comes back to bite them on the a**.

as a relative comic book "outsider," I kind of view these events and shake my head. to me, all these big changes just make everything more confusing........

Good stories, good art and characters you can care about.

It really IS that simple.

 

[SuperFerret]

Well for Jesus sake you cant stay the same. That **** gets boring. I like that DC is doing this because it gives chance of bringing new readers and being able to tell great stories. Plus not writing for the trade anymore is gonna be great for me as a person who reads monthly. While I really like Grant's Batman run, it to me symbolizes everything that is wrong with comics today. Writing for trade, **** that no one understands even if you do some research. Also the thing about research is this. If I never watch Batman Begins I could have still watch TDK and enjoyed it. Good writers should be able to make stories that anybody could read and understand but the guys like us would have a better understanding and a more enjoyable time reading it.

Change isn't good or bad. It is neutral. Good change is good, bad change is bad.

Reading Grant Morrison is a lot easier if you've either a) opened your mind to LSD, Acid or some other form of a hallucinagen or b) sitting with that one page DRZ knows that basically tells you what every little detail fo every little thign is.

Option a is better.

Or you could do the ever easy (and legal) option C: Open your mind to abstract thought and multilayered, often existential stories, which is what Morrison does when he's at his best.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

A good story is only good if you know whats going on. Stand alone stories are awesome. But when you share a universe, after while things start clog up. I forgot who said it but someone said every 30 years the universe needs to be cleaned up and I totally agree. People keep saying research and look up. But your not gonna get need readers but having them do research. People are gonna marvel but marvel retcons stuff as they please to fit anything in and put anything out and that makes it just as confusing. Can any new reader actually get into X-Men these days. Seriously? Comics to us might be a passionate hobby but this is a bussiness and things like this are to try to help a stale and stagnant business.

 

[Anubis]

And yet, Marvel has never done a line wide reboot, and they continue to kick DC's ass in sales. Go figure.

 

[SuperFerret]

The best stories are the ones that build off the history without being bogged down by it. Have you ever read a fantasy novel? Thanks to Tolkien, a grand majority of them are steeped in fictional history, and the best ones (Tolkien's most famous works among them) use this history in a way that you don't need to know anything more than "X happened in the past, and it's tied into Y happening now".

The problem is not the continuity, it's the people who carry it as their personal crosses when they're writing.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Their a difference between deep and smart stories and stories that require you to be on drugs. Morrison's Batman:R.I.P. has no place in Superhero comics. Batman on weapons grade heroin. WTF? I mean I'v read Final Crisis 2 two times and Im still saying HUH?

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

And yet, Marvel has never done a line wide reboot, and they continue to kick DC's ass in sales. Go figure.

I think DC is gonna be the industry leader in 2012.

 

[Anubis]

Hahahahahahah

Yeah, okay.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Its not that far fetched really.

 

[SuperFerret]

Their a difference between deep and smart stories and stories that require you to be on drugs. Morrison's Batman:R.I.P. has no place in Superhero comics. Batman on weapons grade heroin. WTF? I mean I'v read Final Crisis 2 two times and Im still saying HUH?

What are you responding to here?

 

[Saint]

Batman RIP is awesome. Fact.

 

[Anubis]

They'll have one good month. Maybe two.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

How you said open your mind to Morrison's stories. I also I like Morrison as ALL Star Superman is one my favorite books and deals with deep issues. But his Batman run sometimes took things too far.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

They'll have one good month. Maybe two.

I think DC will gain a good 200-500 Thousand readers if the advertise right.

 

[Anubis]

I think DC will gain a good 200-500 Thousand readers if the advertise right.

 

[SuperFerret]

How you said open your mind to Morrison's stories. I also I like Morrison as ALL Star Superman is one my favorite books and deals with deep issues. But his Batman run sometimes took things too far.

Never read his Batman stuff. I was talking more about stuff like Animal Man.


EDIT: I want to clarify that this is because I couldn't be made to give a **** about Batman with all the laxatives in Canada.




EDIT 2: I assume Canada has a lot of laxatives.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Lol Its funny now but with the right marketing their top titles could be huge sellers. I mean im not saying every title would sale that but JL 1 could sell huge.

 

[SuperFerret]

DC's problem with becoming the top company is the general attitude a crapton of people feel towards their characters. To almost everyone but the most knowledgable fans, DC is the "lame" company with the "cardboard" superheroes, while Marvel is the "hip" company with the "badasses".

In short, people see Deadpool as cooler than Superman, and while the intelligent ones among us want those people to give themselves bleach enemas, they are the majority in most places it seems.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Lol Seriously do people who dont read comics even know about Deadpool?

 

[Anubis]

Nope, but people who don't read comics aren't gonna start because they saw a commercial for it on G4 or before some show they downloaded on their iPad.


The Industry will never put up numbers like they did in the early 90's.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Well will see. This is something that hasn't truly been tried before. Im going to be optimstic and if Im wrong come September and November well hey at least they tried.

 

[Anubis]

Well, the good thing is that if and when this fails miserably, a lot of people should get fired.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Eh. Dan Didio should get fired but I rather this work out and I think it will.

 

[sethypants]

Im just gonna start by saying that good marketing really does work, the first 2 comics that i bought were flashpoint #1 and action comics #900. I have always kinda like supes and smallville but just never got to the point of buying any comics. but with the huge buzz over how supes will renounce his citizenship and flashpoint i just had to buy a copy and ever since i just got sucked into DC's awesome universe.