DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 5

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But GA and Detective were awful too.

You have very questionable taste. :o

I agree GA didn't have the greatest start, but I like the character, and like I admitted in my original post I'm willing to give characters I like more of a chance.

Detective was awful??? It ended with the
Jokers face being cut off and nailed to a wall
that right there guaranteed me to keep it on the pre-order list for now.

This was my first time reading both Animal Man and Swamp thing and I dunno it was just meh for me,
oh some animals died and superman wants my help but I'm not going to help him and plants like hugging me in my sleep
and
oh I'm a washed up hero and now all of a sudden I bleed from the eyes when I use my extremely boring animal powers and my daughter can raise the dead
.

Is that an overly simplistic version of those two title, yes, did they keep me interested, no. Does that mean they are terrible books, no, It just means they didn't particularly appeal to me.

Oh and keep in mind guys this is pretty much my first venture into the world of comic books (after flashpoint) so maybe those two titles just aren't for newbies.
 
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Animal Man isn't boring

And I thought that Swamp Thing was a really good start to the series.
 
Reboot books I've gotten:

Justice League - Loved it. My favorite nU book so far. Added to my pull list.
Stormwatch - Was solid for an introductory issue. Needs a new artist, but it's on my pull list.
Detective Comics - ****ing Meh. Didn't like the over-the-top shock value ending, but I'll give it 'til the end of the first arc.
Batgirl - Awful. Dropped.

Planning on getting:

Batman
Batman and Robin
The Dark Knight
Catwoman
Supergirl
Grifter
Deathstroke
Green Lantern
Green Lantern Corps
Green Lantern: New Guardians
Red Lanterns
Nightwing
Suicide Squad
Red Hood and the Outlaws
 
I agree GA didn't have the greatest start, but I like the character, and like I admitted in my original post I'm willing to give characters I like more of a chance.

Detective was awful??? It ended with the
Jokers face being cut off and nailed to a wall
that right there guaranteed me to keep it on the pre-order list for now.

This was my first time reading both Animal Man and Swamp thing and I dunno it was just meh for me,
oh some animals died and superman wants my help but I'm not going to help him and plants like hugging me in my sleep
and
oh I'm a washed up hero and now all of a sudden I bleed from the eyes when I use my extremely boring animal powers and my daughter can raise the dead
.

Is that an overly simplistic version of those two title, yes, did they keep me interested, no. Does that mean they are terrible books, no, It just means they didn't particularly appeal to me.

Oh and keep in mind guys this is pretty much my first venture into the world of comic books (after flashpoint) so maybe those two titles just aren't for newbies.

You have just made me realize how bad I feel for people who have horrible taste in comics. :o
 
Dude, Animal Man was just so, so good. There's nothing left to say that hasn't already been more eloquently established, but I have to go on record. Also, I've never read anything from Jeff Lemire, so I'm thinking I should rectify that quickly.

Busting out my Animal Man trades for a another read, too. :up:
 
Action Comics was decent. A little overblown by it's hype, but it wasn't a bad story by any means. It's failing might be that it doesn't really cover any new ground, and it could have easily been a story fit into continuity before the relaunch. It's a decent retelling of the original stories from the 30's, but it didn't really need to take the place of modern canon. Doesn't really offer anything new enough to warrant that. At worst, it's a 7/10.

Detective Comics was also decent. Didn't go in expecting much because Tony Daniel's a terrible writer, but he did a decent enough job with this. Honestly, like Action, it suffers from being a little too much of the same when this is supposed to be a retelling of some sort. If they really wanted to launch a new universe, they should have gone all out, and if they didn't, they shouldn't have tried to market it as a new universe. Detective gets a 6/10, but Daniel usually writes decent beginnings to his arcs. The stories only go downhill as he progresses, which is probably what will happen here.

Batgirl was a little better. Simone obviously knows what she's doing, so it was never a question of that. The big flaw in the issue is that the story isn't nessecarily that exciting - we see Barbara in action as Batgirl, saving a family from a group of serial killers, but it ends and we're kind of left with barely anything beyond it. And I think the fact that the villain's next victim is supposed to be Babs is a little too on the nose. Aside from those complaints, and the fact that we're not going to find out how exactly Barbara can walk again, the characterization and art saved it. 7.5/10.

Stormwatch was not my cup of tea. Honestly, it's not a bad comic book at all, it seems to actually be good. But the concept wasn't something that I felt I needed to check out, so it's totally not in the ballpark of what sort of stories I like. Would someone like it if they liked the concept? Absolutely, Cornell is a great writer and the art left me without many complaints. But it's just not my thing. If I kept reading it, I might warm up to it, but I just don't care enough right now. 6.5/10 for the effort, at least.

Swamp Thing was bloody fantastic. Easily the best read of the week so far. I'm not a fan of the character by any stretch simply because I've only read one issue of any past run, but Snyder got me hooked with this. The story really plays to his strength as a writer, that being the horror genre. Added to it is the stunning visuals of Yanick Paquette, who's becoming one of my favorite pencillers at DC. I'm positive that this will be an iconic run if it keeps this pace of quality. 9/10, it absolutely works.

Justice League International was nothing special. I know alot of people liked it, and it wasn't flat out terrible, but it wasn't great to me, either. It's just about what you'd expect and makes no attempt to be anything more, but given that I like to be wowed whenever I'm trying to get into a story, I was left disappointed. Booster Gold is of course Dan Jurgens' bread and butter, so he's written adequately, but the rest of the characterizations were left rather bland. I hate to be a pessimist in that regard, but I just wasn't invested. 5/10.

Batwing was mediocre. For a book that's supposed to be selling us on a brand new character, not to mention justify another extension of a character with perhaps a few too many extensions already, this really didn't do anything to tell me that Batwing is a nessecary addition to the team. If anything, it feels like Winnick was pitched the character, didn't know what to do with him, and went with making him police at the last minute to tie it all together. It wasn't a story that made me care, much like JLI didn't. The real saving grace of the book, maybe the only saving grace, was the art. Still a little more engaging than International, but that's not saying much. 5/10.

Animal Man was pretty damn interesting. I have to say that for a character I've never gotten into and know barely anything about, Lemire did a good job of providing a clear introduction that I felt was accessible enough to gauge my interest. I'm sure that people that know the character already know the basics, but it was still something for an outsider like myself to behold. See, this is what the DCnU should be about - introducing people to characters they might not have given a chance before. Because I'm totally sold on Animal Man now. The only thing that bothered me about it was the contrast between classic superheroics and the horror element, which could be jarring, but overall I thought it worked well. 8/10.

Hawk And Dove wasn't interesting in the slightest. Most of what is in the actual book was already covered in the far superior Brightest Day, and the fact that I'm expected to ignore Rob Liefeld's inadequacies as an artist really doesn't help me like it any more. We get it, Hawk and Dove are joined at the hip. Hank misses his brother, Don. Dove is dating Deadman. It's all stuff that we've been over before. And yes, while I do understand that new readers need to be introduced to the concept of Hawk and Dove, it should be the responsibility of the editorial to make sure that current readers are enticed aswell. It's basically just a character piece, and I didn't care before, so I don't care now. 4/10.

Men Of War was okay. Like with Stormwatch, war drama really isn't my cup of tea, but I can tell that the writer knew what he was talking about. It's just hard for me to be engaged when it's a genre I really don't care for. The art is fitting, the characterization is fitting, and I'm sure people who like war drama would like this. I just can't bring myself to care. But simply because I can tell that this was of better quality than something like Hawk and Dove, I'll give it a 6/10.

OMAC was a book. That's about all I can say. Didio isn't a terrible writer if this is any indication (honestly, I read none of his Outsiders run), but he's mediocre. Nothing he writes really grabs at you, and his version of OMAC reads pretty much like a mind-controlled Hulk. Which I guess fits the spirit of the original character, but it's not something that works today. The Omac Virus? That worked, that was awesome. This is just... there. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. The REAL draw of this book is the fantastic, absolutely brilliant artwork done by Giffen. He doesn't just channel Kirby, he all but ressurrects Kirby. The man draws a brilliant layout and does everything he can to make this book feel like a real gem, even though I didn't think it was. Overall, 5/10.

I'm still trying to figure out what I thought of Green Arrow and Static Shock... but the former isn't giving me much of a reason to pick it up, while the latter may have wrote itself into a corner already with an ending I felt may have been put there for no reason.

Overall, though, I'm satisfied that DC is making me consider picking up at least 6 titles on a regular basis rather than the three I would have looked at before.
 
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Reboot books I've gotten:

Justice League - Loved it. My favorite nU book so far. Added to my pull list.
Stormwatch - Was solid for an introductory issue. Needs a new artist, but it's on my pull list.
Detective Comics - ****ing Meh. Didn't like the over-the-top shock value ending, but I'll give it 'til the end of the first arc.
Batgirl - Awful. Dropped.

Planning on getting:

Batman
Batman and Robin
The Dark Knight
Catwoman
Supergirl
Grifter
Deathstroke
Green Lantern
Green Lantern Corps
Green Lantern: New Guardians
Red Lanterns
Nightwing
Suicide Squad
Red Hood and the Outlaws

You should definitely check out Demon Knights and Batwoman as well Mike they both look like seriously great stuff
 
Since I loved Lemire's Animal Man #1 so much I went to the comic book shop to get Morrison's Animal Man #1. Loved it.

I also bought the Jim Lee variant to Action Comics #1. Though the shop was out of O.M.A.C. so I didn't get that one unfortunately.
 
Stormwatch did nothing for me (not to say it was bad, just didn't grab me). Animal Man and Swamp Thing both had great starts, despite the fact that I've never had any interest in either character.

Batgirl was solid, though I'm not sure I'm going to continue picking it up. Detective, as I wrote in the Bat-thread, is the first Tony Daniel issue that's ever had me looking forward to the next--though, at the same time, it was still characterized by Daniel's bad dialogue. He's on thin ice, but I'm interested.

Action Comics was my favourite of the week. The purpose of the issue was pretty clearly to paint a picture of the new Superman's personality; it's a great old school attitude, and I like it a lot.
 
Anybody else notice that the different stables of books have distinct DC Comics logos? Justice League and JLI have a shiny gold logo, while the batbooks have a "rainy" logo, Swamp-Thing and Animal Man have a worn stone-looking logo. Action Comics has a bright, primary-coloured logo (blue, red, and yellow).

I'm a designer, so I get a kick out of little branding touches like that.
 
Anybody else notice that the different stables of books have distinct DC Comics logos? Justice League and JLI have a shiny gold logo, while the batbooks have a "rainy" logo, Swamp-Thing and Animal Man have a worn stone-looking logo. Action Comics has a bright, primary-coloured logo (blue, red, and yellow).

I'm a designer, so I get a kick out of little branding touches like that.

Yeah, Bleeding Cool had shown off that DC is giving color coded labels to the DC Comics logo for the Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, the Edge, the Dark, Justice League, and Young Justice lines.
 
Bleeding Cool is reporting that Swamp Thing, Animal Man, and Detective Comics are looking incredibly likely to sell out. It will most likely happen since when I grabbed my copy of Detective Comics, it was the last one and when I checked today at another comic store, Swamp Thing and Animal Man were gone.

Batman & Robin is being listed as sold out. And rumors are pointing that it might happen to Frankenstein and Suicide Squad.
 
There was a rack of untouched copies of Static Shock #1 at my comic shop. There were also several copies of Batwing that failed to sell.

I wonder what the sales drops for the upcoming months will be for the New 52? How long does it usually take for a comic that doesn't sell well to be canceled?
 
The shop I usually go to was out of Action and Detective on Wednesday (also, I grabbed the last Animal Man on the shelf); I had to go a town over to get them.
 
Just read Animal Man # 1 when I got home from work and it was really good. My expectations were high because of all the positive reviews but they totally met my expectations. Travel Foreman is AMAZING! He totally nailed it in this book and it's going to be very interesting to see where Lemire takes this!

Still got Action and Swamp Thing to go through...I need to let Animal Man digest for a bit though.
 
What was the general reaction from JLI and who ends up being on the team?
 
Most people seemed to like JLI. I liked it. It wasn't mind-blowing, but I feel it was better than a lot of the other titles. A lot happened in the first issue, so it felt kinda rushed, but at least it didn't waste any time.

As of now, the official team consists of Fire, Ice, Rocket Red, Vixen, Godiva, August General in Iron, and Booster Gold. Guy Gardner turned them down, but will inevitably join in the future. And Batman has kinda forced himself onto the team, unknown to the U.N. They're also using equipment like airplanes from Queen Industries.
 
There was a rack of untouched copies of Static Shock #1 at my comic shop. There were also several copies of Batwing that failed to sell.

I wonder what the sales drops for the upcoming months will be for the New 52? How long does it usually take for a comic that doesn't sell well to be canceled?

I think it depends on the book. I saw a few Hawk & Doves and Green Arrows, but books like Detective Comics, Action Comics, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Batgirl, Justice League, Justice League International, and O.M.A.C. were either in very low amounts or just flat out gone.
 
Wait... how is [blackout]the Joker's face being cut off[/blackout] a reason to keep buying Detective?
 
This was my first time reading any Animal Man comic and it was f****g AWESOME!!!
As for Swamp Thing i found it meh but i'm interested in reading the Alan Moore Stuff, in his comics is swamp thing's origins still human?
 
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Because people want to see how it plays out and affects him?

That's what the internet is for. Waiting and seeing if these stupid ideas pan out or crash and burn like they rightfully should FOR FREE.
 
That's what the internet is for. Waiting and seeing if these stupid ideas pan out or crash and burn like they rightfully should FOR FREE.

Well, that's also what opinions are for. You're free to do that, no one's forcing you or anyone else to buy it. It's just that not everyone finds it to be a stupid idea, and some are genuinely curious to see how it plays out for themselves rather than "rightfully" waiting on how it pans out online.
 
This was my first time reading any Animal Man comic and it was f****g AWESOME!!!
As for Swamp Thing i found it meh but i'm interested in reading the Alan Moore Stuff, in his comics is swamp thing's origins still human?

No in Moore's run he was sentient plant life which thought it was once human. I'm actually glad that this issue didn't seem to contradict that run; I was afraid that it would've in light of Brightest Day.
 
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