DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 6

[Anubis]

Whats the deal with Supergirl, post-relaunch. Did she keep her same backstory or did they change it up yet again? Is she Kara, Superman's cousin? Any word on Linda Danvers whereabouts?

It's Kara.

Linda in all likelihood never existed.

As far as I know, she just got here, so yeah, another reboot.

 

[Saint]

Apparently in Justice League is where we will eventually see the mystery pink/purple robed woman revealed a bit.

As it should be. I think we need to move away from this model where an event mini-series (and 87 tie-in mini-series) comes out every year, and move into a model where the big events happen in a single ongoing book--and Justice League is the obvious choice.

Heck, that's basically what Morrison's JLA was. If you compare Morrison's first four issues of JLA, it's the same basic idea as, say, Fear Itself--except it was better, tighter, and didn't pretend that "NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME!"

Also? It didn't kill Bucky. So it has that going for it.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I, Vampire #2 - Didn't enjoy it quite as much as the first, but it was still good.

Voodoo #2 - Same as above.

Flash #2 - Enjoyed it more than issue 1 in some parts, but just like issue 1 overall I simply don't care. It is some of Manipul's best art of his career, though.

 

[spiderbob]

Things Liked Thus Far

It got me wondering what were the things you guys liked (or disliked) the most about the new DCU?

 

[SuperFerret]

I hate how Newsrama does their articles, it ****s with my browser sometimes. Anyone want to recap? I bet it's all DC Dark and Justice League and hey, Aquaman's pretty cool dude.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I hate how Newsrama does their articles, it ****s with my browser sometimes. Anyone want to recap? I bet it's all DC Dark and Justice League and hey, Aquaman's pretty cool dude.

It commends DC for going into all sorts of genres beyond just typical superhero fare. The New 52 is pretty diverse with horror (Swamp Thing, Animal Man, I, Vampire), science fiction (Captain Atom, O.M.A.C., Frankenstein), fantasy (Demon Knights), war (Men of War, Blackhawks), and western (All Star Western).

They like the creative shuffling of teams like moving Scott Snyder from Detective Comics to Batman, Dwayne Swierczynski taking over from Gail Simone in Birds of Prey, and whatnot.

They like the attempts DC is making with modernizing Superman.

They praise DC for the art direction they're taking with Jim Lee on Justice League, Greg Capullo on Batman, J.H. Williams III on Batwoman, Francis Manapul on the Flash, Cliff Chang on Wonder Woman, and Rags Morales on Action Comics.

And managing to attempt to bring fresh life to the comic book industry and for the most part doing a good job at it.

 

[SuperFerret]

I guess I can see that. Though I don't agree with the Jim Lee praise, or most of the genre stuff. [/gottabecontrary]

 

[Mystirious]

So far Batwoman is most definitely my absolute favourite series of the relaunch and my favourite comic book in general

I'm loving Stormwatch and Demon Knights too Cornell is doing amazing stuff in both titles. I'm also really enjoying all the horror titles like Frankenstein, I Vampire, Animal Man and Swamp Thing

Ressurection Man has been great too I'm digging this book so far

And Aquaman and Batman are both fun on a bun

I'm just embarrassed I believed the stereotype that female bisexuals couldn't be murdering rapists.

I wasn't a murderous taffy-er the last time I checked

Voodoo should have never been given a title anyways.

I would have liked it if they had actually given her a personality and if she was portrayed in a positive way. I want more lgbt characters in comic books but only if they are poryrayed in a positive way and not as a negative stereotype and I want them to be well written and fun to read about like Batwoman, or Rictor and Shatterstar

Negative stereotypes get a from me

 

[trustyside-kick]

I like how Voodoo is. Never knew a thing about her but I know that her being on Earth is very new/recent and she is apparently on some sort of mission. She's doing what she needs to survive and in terms of the sleeping with the female agent as the man's form...don't see a thing wrong with that. She's not some hero or anything at the moment.

 

[trustyside-kick]

When you think about it though, Mysti...that is kinda why it isn't necessarily the best thing to take interest to a character based on something like race or sexual orientation. You are then restricting yourself on how they are to be portrayed when race and sexual orientation shouldn't define someone in the first place.

Not saying you cannot like that someone happens to be a minority or of different sexual orientation...but letting it be the main defining factor IMO can get in the way. I think that's what is getting in the way of you liking Voodoo. She is an alien and unlike Starfire, doesn't have any history in this DCnU. This is her flat out new in this 'verse. I don't know how she was in the Wildstorm 'Verse, so it would suck for hardcore fans if she is being portrayed poorly (for being new to Earth mind you compare to when she was perhaps new in Wildstorm), but you thinking that her character is embracing some sort of stereotype makes little sense. She is alien for one. She just happens to not have a preference in regards to sexual orientation. Her "raping" that agent and being a murderer to the prior agent doesn't even reflect upon bisexual people just because she happens to be bisexual.

If you don't like her. Don't like her. Dislike her because she is a murderer and a rapist in a sense and that isn't your thing? Fine. But to dislike her because of how they are "writing a bisexual character" seems overboard. If you want to nitpick and make it about her sexuality, then what DC is doing--likely subconsciously--is diversifying diversity in itself. You don't want ALL the bisexual characters to be the same, do you?

 

[Mystirious]

I want all bisexual characters to be portrayed positively yes. I want all lgbt characters to be portrayed positively and i only support comic books where their sexuality is portrayed positively

And I prefer reading about lgbt characters and always have and always will. So yes a character being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender is going to get me interested in reading about them more as long as their well written. LGBT characters are the kind of characters I care about and the kind i enjoy reading about most of all. That's one of the main reasons i love Batwoman, X Factor and Stormwatch so much

 

[trustyside-kick]

Iono, to me it comes across as because of how heavily you weigh that, you seem to ignore the context of the situation in the comic. She is an alien on this planet. Her being on some sort of mission we don't know that makes her a soldier of sorts. She is doing what she needs to survive. She doesn't give a damn about humans and moreso doesn't care when she found out what they were likely to do to her.

That IMO weighs heavily on her actions thus far. She is being hunted down. She isn't likely to be graceful about it. Her happening to being bisexual has nothing to do with her choosing to kill the first agent and sleep with the second to get more intel.

 

[CConn]

I wasn't a murderous taffy-er the last time I checked :|

Oh don't worry, the idiocy of your opinions rapes my mind on a daily basis.

 

[Mystirious]

Iono, to me it comes across as because of how heavily you weigh that, you seem to ignore the context of the situation in the comic. She is an alien on this planet. Her being on some sort of mission we don't know that makes her a soldier of sorts. She is doing what she needs to survive. She doesn't give a damn about humans and moreso doesn't care when she found out what they were likely to do to her.

That IMO weighs heavily on her actions thus far. She is being hunted down. She isn't likely to be graceful about it. Her happening to being bisexual has nothing to do with her choosing to kill the first agent and sleep with the second to get more intel.

I don't think there's any context where rape is okay personally

I'm just not a fan of Voodoo like i said. I'm not digging it

 

[Mystirious]

Most of the other books this week were pretty great though

 

[Mystirious]

Oh don't worry, the idiocy of your opinions rapes my mind on a daily basis.

Pfft your mind loved it really

 

[trustyside-kick]

I don't think there's any context where rape is okay personally

I'm just not a fan of Voodoo like i said. I'm not digging it

I wasn't saying "rape is ok". I was just saying that your prior posts show that you were more bugged for her reasons of her actions just because she is a bisexual character rather than why she did that or how you even feel about rape. Before it came across that your problem was a bisexual character doing that more. It isn't about what a bisexual character did. It is about what a character did. Her being bisexual has nothing to do with those actions. Yet you make t seem like it was a bad representation of a bisexual person.

That isn't her identity. Isn't that what people of other races and sexual orientations hate? When people label them by that one trait, right? I can only answer half of this question as I am Hispanic and straight. Then again as a straight man I technically can because there is the idea that all men are hound dogs to some people.

Have no problem for you to dislike her.

P.S. - Doing a post on a phone sucks ass. Even an iPhone.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Things Liked Thus Far

It got me wondering what were the things you guys liked (or disliked) the most about the new DCU?

My main dislikes are 1) no Wally West, and 2) Madame Xanadu is now a c***.

 

[trustyside-kick]

What was "her story" before and what was she like before the relaunch.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I would have liked it if they had actually given her a personality and if she was portrayed in a positive way. I want more lgbt characters in comic books but only if they are poryrayed in a positive way and not as a negative stereotype and I want them to be well written and fun to read about like Batwoman, or Rictor and Shatterstar

Still doesn't change the fact that Voodoo should have never been given a book in the first place. Instead of a Voodoo (or Grifter) ongoing, they should have put her in a WildC.A.T.S. ongoing.

Negative stereotypes get a from me

Last time I checked, bisexuals being rapists is not a stereotype.

 

[Mystirious]

The 'depraved bisexual' stereotype is what I'm referring to

I would hate that Voodoo is a rapist no matter what her sexuality is.

But it makes me even more that the only bisexual character at DC with her own ongoing is a villainous rapist

I want positive portrayals of lgbt people in comic books not ones that portray them as evil villains

There are hardly any lgbt characters and even fewer lgbt heroes

That's why Voodoo being portrayed this way makes me so angry. I was excited about there being a bisexual hero with her own ongoing series but instead she's a villain

Anyway I'm done complaining about this now. There are several books from DC that star well written and excellent lgbt characters that i love like Batwoman, Stormwatch, Demon Knights and JL: Dark and I'd rather focus on the things i like instead of the things I dont

 

[Mystirious]

My main dislikes are 1) no Wally West, and 2) Madame Xanadu is now a c***.

Why dont you like her anymore Corp

 

[hippie_hunter]

The 'depraved bisexual' stereotype is what I'm referring to

I would hate that Voodoo is a rapist no matter what her sexuality is.

But it makes me even more that the only bisexual character at DC with her own ongoing is a villainous rapist

I want positive portrayals of lgbt people in comic books not ones that portray them as evil villains

There are hardly any lgbt characters and even fewer lgbt heroes

That's why Voodoo being portrayed this way makes me so angry. I was excited about there being a bisexual hero with her own ongoing series but instead she's a villain

Anyway I'm done complaining about this now. There are several books from DC that star well written and excellent lgbt characters that i love like Batwoman, Stormwatch, Demon Knights and JL: Dark and I'd rather focus on the things i like instead of the things I dont

She's a WildStorm character. What else do you expect.

 

[Mystirious]

She's a WildStorm character. What else do you expect.

Oh hippie hunter

Though not all Wildstorm characters are dbags. The Authority/Stormwatch were pretty cool. They were anti heroes but not villains

Gen 13 were pretty heroic too Did you read any of there series hippie hunter

Simone wrote some pretty neat Gen 13 stories

 

[hippie_hunter]

I didn't bother with WildStorm.