DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 6

[Sloth7d]

IDC, they're nothing characters anyway, just rip offs because DC at the time wanted to do something with the originals. And anything Cooke does is going to be better than anything Moore could do.

They started out that way, but they became much more than that very quickly. They're pretty much the embodiments of a different philosophical system with their narration serving as a sort of way for us, the reader, to truly psychoanalyze them, a concept I think most writers drop the ball on. Unlike many writers using narration, it felt less like the character was explaining what was going on and his general state of mind about it and more like we were being given clues as to what really makes these guys tick; as if they were in a real therapy session spilling their heart out. Honestly, this is the book that got me interested in philosophy and psychology.

 

[Max Gaines]

Yup.

That's just sick. No wonder Carolco died.

Yeah basically I think he is overglorified in some ways. I thank him for doing a super smart comic in watchmen, but I wont go as far as saying he is the absolute best and that he can do no wrong. His work has become this sex obsessed almost depraved thing. Lost girls was almost like some weird fetish and I just dropped league of extraordinary gentlemen when Mr Hyde rapes the invisible man to death. Im sorry but thats just garbage. He has also gone a bit too "get off my lawn"-ish in recent years for my own taste.

Darwyn Cooke is nice for sure.

I like his work on The League of Extraordinary Men, but that scene was really bizarre

I've never read The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and now I never will.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I actually didn't mind the second part of league. I mean hyde was a sadistic monster. It was after that when he started writing like all "extras" and was sacrificing actual comic pages that the story got boring and weird. Dropped after the black dossier.

 

[Sloth7d]

So there was a male on male rape scene in LoEG. So what? How does that diminish the work? By this standard are American History X and The Shawshack Redemption also bad stories?

 

[SpideyInATree]

Most comics fans like to hate on Moore's work post Watchmen. Of course he'll never do anything like Watchmen again but still doesn't discount that he's a very good writer and extremely creative.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

So there was a male on male rape scene in LoEG. So what? How does that diminish the work? By this standard are American History X and The Shawshack Redemption also bad stories?

i think it was more the fact that opened the floodgates, look at the number of abuse or rape scenes that are in his books. let alone the whole controversy of the lost girls

 

[Sloth7d]

i think it was more the fact that opened the floodgates, look at the number of abuse or rape scenes that are in his books. let alone the whole controversy of the lost girls

While I do think Lost Girls is disgusting, though funnily enough I bet Lewis Carrol would approve, Alan Moore has always had a penchant for rape, sexual assault, and sexual abuse in his stories; MiracleMan, V For Vendetta, Watchmen, The Killing Joke, From Hell, etc. Most of his most popular works have, at the very least, a scene involving sexual assault. This isn 't something that started with LoEG.

 

[Anubis]

There were rape scenes before that, and there were rape scenes after that. Don't put that s**t on Moore. (Though he does do a lot of rape.)

Also, I think people are forgetting, that the Invisible Man had it coming, and Hyde is NOT a Superhero.

 

[SpideyInATree]

And men get raped in jail every single day!

 

[Anubis]

Hell, I didn't see anybody up in arms about the Invisible Man raping all those under age girls in that boarding school he was hiding in when they recruited him, but Hyde raping him to death was too far. Right.

 

[SuperFerret]

Haven't read it, but if it reads like you're supposed to be happy about what's happening to the Invisible Man, then it's in poor taste.

 

[KingMob]

If anyone deserved to be raped to death by a giant man monster, itd be that guy.

 

[Anubis]

Haven't read it, but if it reads like you're supposed to be happy about what's happening to the Invisible Man, then it's in poor taste.

I don't think that at all. Judging by Nemo's reaction to finding his body, you were supposed to be horrified.

But you know, people take away from stuff what they choose. Some saw the glorifying of rape. Some people saw a piece of s**t getting what he deserved. Moore's take was that these are not good people. They never were.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Nemo "finds" his body? When he dies he is no longer invisible?

 

[Anubis]

Yeah.

We figure that out as they're eating at the table and Blood starts to appear all over Hyde. And they're like, "You're bleeding!" And he's like, "aw, no, it's not mine. I guess Griffin finally died. He's in the other room."

They run in there and Nemo starts screaming and grabs his sword to go after the abomination.

 

[Mystirious]

People who reuse old Steve Ditko Alan Moore ideas and enjoy them are one in the same.

Or Saturday Morning Watchmen

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I want this to be a real cartoon show so much

So...anyone notice Maximas alien redesign? Not so hot anymore...atleast from the SG cover.

I still find her pretty sexy but apparently I have weird taste in women >.>

Still I think she is still glorious hawtness

 

[TheCorpulent1]

DC's been planning that for years.

Personally, I think it's kinda dumb simply cause all of the Watchmen characters are just the Charlton characters.

Why not do something new featuring the originals rather than focus on copycats whose sole purpose was to die in a very self-contained and resolutely ended book?

Well, they seem to have taken your advice with Captain Atom. He's a lot more like Dr. Manhattan in the New 52 reboot. Which is, coincidentally, why I'm not reading his comic.

 

[Panthro]

Gotta love Saturday Morning Watchmen.

 

[CConn]

Well, they seem to have taken your advice with Captain Atom. He's a lot more like Dr. Manhattan in the New 52 reboot. Which is, coincidentally, why I'm not reading his comic.

That's not exactly what I mean, though. I'm not saying they should make the Charlton characters copies of the Watchmen versions.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Then you should clarify your ideas before DC retroactively steals them.

 

[Mystirious]

Those sneaky DC writers

Gotta love Saturday Morning Watchmen.

It's so funny but so wrong

 

[Panthro]

Those sneaky DC writers



It's so funny but so wrong

Being so wrong is a large part of why it's so funny.

 

[Mystirious]

True 'dat

 

[Number 6]

Moore has had his moments and he's been great at times, but his best days are far behind him and I like Darwin Cooke's work better regardless.

Psst, his best days were America's Best Comics, so even if they are behind him, it's not that far. I don't get all this Moore-hating. I don't worship at his altar or anything like some, but dude's awesome, and he's still doing pretty good stuff.

 

[redhawk23]

While it gets quite a bit of praise, and has even recently been getting some fancy hardcover editions, I still don't think Moore's run on Swamp Thing gets enough praise. I like it that much.