Dexter

[Crockett]

I noticed the bleeding on Gellar's head in the church scene as well. I'm thinking of another scenario where Gellar is dead (perhaps by that female professor) but Travis doesn't notice it since Gellar has influenced him so much that everytime Gellar's around Travis thinks he's alive. Sounds silly but hey, I'm just speculating.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Just to chime in, i'm definitely on the 'he's dead, Travis is imagining him' team.

Seems like a logical twist, especially when all this evidence is piling up so early on in the series. They find out his dead body, it's back to square one in terms of looking for a suspect.

Dexter would be pretty annoyed he let Travis go too.

I'm really curious to see what the end game is - what happens when the 'end of the world' arrives? Are they planning on trying to end the world in the name of God, and if so, how?

 

[squeekness]

makes you wonder how conflicted Dexter would be, having to destroy the semi-innocent Travis in order to kill the murderous Geller. Would be an interesting thing to bring up.

 

[Maximus One]

What's really an interesting thought to me is how will Dexter feel about going after a killer who is completely insane. I'm meaning this in the more legal sense of the word though because if this were in real life Travis would be considered insane at least imo. How should Dexter feel about killing somebody who according to the law isn't in control of his own actions or at the very least doesn't understand that what he is doing is wrong

 

[Teelie]

Dexter has Harry he talks to but he knows Harry is not real. With Travis it's different. He thinks Gellar is real. What would happen if he realized all this time Gellar was all in his head? Would he go after Dexter or someone else which would justify killing him in Dexter's mind or would Dexter just kill him because he knows the man will kill again?

 

[Reek]

if hes real it is forced and ridiculous....if he is imaginary then the writers assume we are blind idiots and it is ridiculous.

to me it is going to be completely stupid either way. its been too obvious for a dexter twist for him to be imaginary... yet theres been other evidence he might exist.

hopefully its not both.
Travis said God speaks through Gellar....maybe Gellar screwed him up so bad he actually believes it to the point where Gellar is imaginary and real at times.

this whole situation is stupid IMO.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

What's really an interesting thought to me is how will Dexter feel about going after a killer who is completely insane. I'm meaning this in the more legal sense of the word though because if this were in real life Travis would be considered insane at least imo. How should Dexter feel about killing somebody who according to the law isn't in control of his own actions or at the very least doesn't understand that what he is doing is wrong

Good point. I don't think it quite fits into Harry's code, does it?

Dexter has Harry he talks to but he knows Harry is not real. With Travis it's different. He thinks Gellar is real. What would happen if he realized all this time Gellar was all in his head? Would he go after Dexter or someone else which would justify killing him in Dexter's mind or would Dexter just kill him because he knows the man will kill again?

That'd be really weird to see... if someone could prove to Travis that Gellar is dead and it's all been in his head, would he then be full of regret?

I'm guessing his sister will have something to do with showing him that what he's doing is wrong. Seems to be the only realy connection he has to the world.

 

[Lasirius]

I can see why people are speculating that Gellar is in fact dead, the clues are there. But I think that's a bit of a stretch for a show like this to pull off. I don't know, maybe it depends on how it's executed.

 

[TheBat812]

if hes real it is forced and ridiculous....if he is imaginary then the writers assume we are blind idiots and it is ridiculous.

to me it is going to be completely stupid either way. its been too obvious for a dexter twist for him to be imaginary... yet theres been other evidence he might exist.

hopefully its not both.
Travis said God speaks through Gellar....maybe Gellar screwed him up so bad he actually believes it to the point where Gellar is imaginary and real at times.

this whole situation is stupid IMO.

I disagree, it's a great examination and discovery for Dexter to have to redefine who he is and why he does what he does. If he realizes that Gellar is like Harry to this guy, in that he's teaching him to kill, the same way that Brother Sam's father did, it's could be an amazing season. It's not a twist for the sake of a twist, it's compelling character motivation.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Hmmm, maybe Gellar is BOTH real and imaginary. Gellar is physically there in the old church, doing the wet work, but he has such an iron grip on Travis' mind that Travis imagines him around 24-7.

 

[Travesty]

 

[Reek]

Well, Ghost seem to be a theme this season as well.... I know who returns this sunday.

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ITK, 100% positive. he plays Dexters dark passenger while harry plays his 'light' passenger.

 

[antsman41]

Well, Ghost seem to be a theme this season as well.... I know who returns this sunday.

Spoiler

ITK, 100% positive. he plays Dexters dark passenger while harry plays his 'light' passenger.

Seriously?

 

[Reek]

Seriously?

yep.

 

[The Demon's Head]

That's ****ing awesome.

 

[Reek]

That's ****ing awesome.

lets hope so, as far as i can tell

Spoiler

its only 2 episodes this season...

 

[Pink Ranger]

Well, Ghost seem to be a theme this season as well.... I know who returns this sunday.

Spoiler

ITK, 100% positive. he plays Dexters dark passenger while harry plays his 'light' passenger.

That makes sense. In the past:

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Brian's apparition has appeared when Dexter is at his most troubled and confused.

 

[Reek]

That makes sense. In the past:

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Brian's apparition has appeared when Dexter is at his most troubled and confused.

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hasnt he only appeard once since he died? season 2 opener?

 

[Pink Ranger]

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hasnt he only appeard once since he died? season 2 opener?

Yeah, I was thinking about that instance, when Dexter is most confused about what he is as a person, rather than being confounded by external events.

Ah, my head hurts every time I try to talk about this show in a philosophical manner. It's too much sometimes, it makes me want to go out and buy a lot of saran wrap and ... I've said too much.

 

[Reek]

M-99?

 

[Pittman4Two]

Is this the longest period (episode-wise) Dex has gone without killing someone?

 

[Matt]

I am starting to think that it is too obvious that Gellar is a "ghost." I think that the writers are trying to make us believe it at this point. At some point, the new detective is going to have Travis cornered and Gellar will step out of the shadows and kill him and that will be the huge twist.

 

[Pittman4Two]

I don't think so Matt.

In my opinion, the whole cell phone conversation is meant for us to question if he really is a ghost. The writers are toying a bit with us.

There's many subplots going on here with one being Dexter hasn't off'd anyone in quite a while...longer than I remember he has gone since doing the deed.

 

[Number 6]

if hes real it is forced and ridiculous....if he is imaginary then the writers assume we are blind idiots and it is ridiculous.

Hm, not sure if I agree or not. I really don't think the writers are just assuming we're 'idiots' if he ends up being imaginary. I mean, really, it's not like all of the Dexter twists are insanely subtle. Was anyone really surprised in the first season when this new character, whom randomly showed up and wiggled his way into Dexter's life via Debra, ended up being the Ice Truck Killer? That's about all I can think of, but just because they aren't telling you everything from the get go doesn't mean they're going for a M. Night approach to twists.

Honestly, since it seems no one is entirely show if he's imagined or real, and are debating it, I think they've done a pretty good job of working around it.

 

[Liam_H]

Even if he is dead and Travis is imagining it, they shouldn't be showing things such as him picking up a cell phone to answer his call. I get that if Travis believes he's real than he'll imagine him doing that but they didn't have to show that.