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Superman Returns Did Lex's plan make sense to anyone?

Isildur´s Heir said:
ok, i´ll go with that ;)

Give me an hour (i´m going out), and then i´ll give you the details on the "how Luthor bought the book, Masterplans for dummies, and didn´t got it"

But don't you have to see the movie before you can pass a judgment? ;)
 
War Lord said:
I think the basement was an excellent place to have created a weapon or other technology.

I wanted to see New Krypton established earlier- both its potential as land and as a base of operations where Superman could not get to Lex. If they had just shown it developed into workable land, the plot would've seemed so much more inventive.
 
War Lord said:
The problem with that is that to have created an undetectable test place, it would have had to take place in the middle of the Atlantic, which would have been too far for Richard to fly.

Exactly! It would've been an ideal trap for Superman. And when I first read about the New Krypton idea, I thought, "How is Superman going to get out of that?!"

The problem with the film is that, you not only know Superman isn't going to die, but they also clearly show you how he's going to escape (the seaplane).
 
Lex's plan was pure madness, really wtf, why would I buy a piece of cold crappy land I would have you removed from the earth
 
Here's my whole thing, and I guess this would go for the original films as well; With such "advanced alien technology" it seems the concept of biometrics is lost on Kryptonian scientists! You'd think the information Jor-El left as his son's legacy would be more closely guarded, maybe programmed only to respond to Clark's DNA? But clearly any joe schmoe who stumbles upon the Fortress of Solitude can access it. Suddenly, Jon Peters' idea of polar bears guarding the entrance doesn't sound so bad. . . . . .No, scratch that, it still sucks donkey genitals!
 
KenK said:
Here's my whole thing, and I guess this would go for the original films as well; With such "advanced alien technology" it seems the concept of biometrics is lost on Kryptonian scientists! You'd think the information Jor-El left as his son's legacy would be more closely guarded, maybe programmed only to respond to Clark's DNA? But clearly any joe schmoe who stumbles upon the Fortress of Solitude can access it. Suddenly, Jon Peters' idea of polar bears guarding the entrance doesn't sound so bad. . . . . .No, scratch that, it still sucks donkey genitals!

When I saw it was a Jon Peter's film, I was looking for giant spiders.
 
KenK said:
But clearly any joe schmoe who stumbles upon the Fortress of Solitude can access it. Suddenly, Jon Peters' idea of polar bears guarding the entrance doesn't sound so bad

You'd think Superman would've at least taken precautions, considering he was leaving the Earth. After all, he knows Lex is aware of the location.
 
War Lord said:
He only had grown the island and perhaps was on it for about 2 or 3 hours real time before Superman had thrown it into space.

That wasn't much time to do anything.

If he could grow weapons out of nothing, he could have set up a defense perimeter, force fields, anti aircraft laser plantforms, something to keep the military at bay, instead he sat around, like a fool.
 
The Sage said:
Hard to say. If he was getting ready to be attacked by the military, I'm sure he'd prepare. But in the story, the military, nor the world was aware of what he had done.



You know, what if he had planned on building his own business like LexCorp after selling parts of New Krypton or whatever else that can be formed.

But if it was me, forget money. Give me the world motherf**ker! :mad::up:

Sorry, I'm bored today at work. :(

The Military is not exclusive controlled by idiots, you have a continent growing off the side of the Eastern US coast, the military would have sent a few planes to investigate, they would have found hints of human activity and they would have blown it up, because anyone who has the ability to make a continent grow out of another and has the will to pull off, would have been deemed them a threat to global security. The fact that Lex did nothing to prepare for a military airstrike proves he is an idiot.

If Lex was interested in money and power why would do this stupid, form a continent thing and then try to form company afterwards, on a barron, lifeless rock. If he startyed the company first he could have had money and resources enough to build super weapons to over trhe world easily, that schme would have been harder to foil and we have had a cool battle between Supes and Lex in some Kryptonian based battle armour. There a million ways on how my idea for Lex's plan was cooler and made more sense than Lex's plan in SR.
 
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Has Lex taken into consideration that by killing off all the continents, he not only kills the people, but the animals and vegetation too? If Lex wins, everyone dies, because there is no food. Yep, really thought that out. Also, where was the technology he was supposed to fight the world off with? I just saw some big rocks.
 
The Sage said:
But don't you have to see the movie before you can pass a judgment? ;)
Not for this one ;)
But, because you have seen it, correct me if i´m wrong.

Lex Luthor´s Ridiculous Plan
I´m sorry to say, but it´s just plain......not corny, not dumb....oh yeah, stupid.
So, Luthor´s plan is to build a new continent just to sell land.
That alone, IMO, is just stupid, but that´s me, and if that was the only problem, all would be fine.
Not only he wants to build a new continent, he wants to create a Krytonian one.
Why? To kill Superman?
Why go to all that trouble, when a single piece of Kryptonite will do the trick?
And he will kill billions and destroy everything in the process...great, now the question that remains is, after billions are dead, who is there to buy his land?
And if you kill billions, you´ll get a lot of empty space in return, so, why do people want to move to LuthorLand?
Oh, i get it, it´s a project in the long run....Luthor is hoping to make money in about 30 years, the earliest :rolleyes:
I haven´t said nothing about the biggest problem of all, but more about that in the end.

So, he wants to build a new continent, and alien continent, and sell it. Why alien? To kill Superman! How is he going to kill Superman with Kryptonian soil? Because it has Kryptonite...oh brother :rolleyes:
First things first, the crystals are not natural, they are artificial, so, how the hell does Luthor have one?
Because he stole it from the Fortress of Solitude, which means that Superman had a continent builder crystal, so, the question that remains is, why did he had that?
First assumption, Jor-El send it with him in his spaceship, which means that he wanted Kal-El to conquer the Earth, if not, why did he wanted Kal-El to build a continent?
Second assumption, Superman made the crystal. Which not only be impossible, because he doesn´t have the knowledge to do it, the question would remain, why would he want to build a continent?
Third assumption, and this one is the most laughable of all, all kryptonian crystals have the capacity to make land grow, all you have to do is had water :rolleyes:
And why is it laughable?
Because of the same reason i say the continent builders crystals are artificial.
If you believe that they are natural and grow on kryptonian soil, you´ll have to believe that, if you go for a walk in Krypton, you´ll see masses of land erupting from everywhere.
Krypton, the ever-growing planet!
Krypton, the planet that will end engolfing the universe!
But, worst than creating a continent, is the reason on how to kill Superman.

How? Because there is Kryptonite everwhere....
And how in hell is there Kryptonite? Does is grows on trees in Kryton? Do you really believe that there is a planet where the minerals kills their inhabitants? So, how the hell did they survived that long?
If it doesnt grows on trees, how can there be Krytonite in New Kryton? If Kryptonite is an anomaly, a natural flaw, how can a crystal that builds continents make anything more than a perfect land?
And don´t tell me that Luthor planted it there, because where he would get such a huge stash of Kryptonite? And the trouble to plant it all over is ridiculous.

But there is the most gigantic, most moronic flaw of all, one that suplents every other, one that makes every bit of his plan be utterly ridiculous....
Luthor wants to build a continent to sell the land, let´s imagine that all that is true, let´s imagine that he could actually build it, let´s imagine that there would be enough people interested in buying a piece of land, all that Luthor is going to get from all of it is...the eletric chair.
Basicaly, Luthor´s plan is to fry in the chair! :rolleyes:
What was he thinking went he went throught with it?
No one can build land and get away with it, no one builds land and sells it, we are not talking about a little piece, but an all fu**ing continent.
That massive piece of land would automaticaly belong to the country is built upon, it will never belong to Luthor.
What would he do? Would he fight for it? Say, i killed billions, but the land is mine? Would he go to war with the all world? And his plan of selling it?
So, in the end, it´s all plan is just ridiculous, he would never sell it and he went to all that trouble for nothing.
He wanted money, rob a bank, not make a masterplan that you´ll never gain nothing with.
Luthor would be the laughing stock of prison, the most pathetic and ridiculous of all his mates.
 
A few things. The growth crystals take on the properties of the materials around it. He puts the crystal into Kryptonite and that's why the continent has Kryptonite.
I also hypothesize that the crystals themselves will grow when added to liquid, and that to build something, kriptonians would add something to guide this growth.

These things don't change that fact his continent would be barren, desolate, mildly radioactive, and an enemy to the entire world.
 
Sorry, this argument is kind of stupid. But I'll add to it :D

Why would you buy land and live on a piece of crappy rock? Because Lex Luthor just destroyed North America. He himself said it was a little alien, he could just add some real furniture, or since the crystals are programmable, probably conjure up some freaking nice looking
crap.

The continent would belong to North America? Is that before or after he destroys NA's landmass. Okay true, we didn't see any of the defenses or whatnot, but I think the keypoint here is NO ONE CAN STOP HIM but Superman.


BUT HERES THE BOTTOM LINE:

Being a World feared Ruler of a crippled economy on a crappy depressing rock, is still better than being a criminal mastermind living in some old dead woman's house listening to opera all day. Take your pick.
 
SuperLee said:
Why would you buy land and live on a piece of **** rock? Because Lex Luthor just destroyed North America.

And when he destroyed North America, everyone living there would be DEAD, and therefore not need anywhere to live.
 
SilentType said:
And when he destroyed North America, everyone living there would be DEAD, and therefore not need anywhere to live.

And the entire population of the world lives in North America right? Also, if you look at Lex's maps on the boat, the growth of Kyrpton is slow. An unstoppable wave of destruction, which gives people time to pay him and buy his land.

Of course NK is enemy to the world, but again the idea here is no one can stop him.
 
Kane said:
If the United States falls.......all the other countries in the world would immediately fall down to nothing also?

Nope. Quite the contrary, in fact. China will the first one to rise to power, Israel will fall, etc.

If THAT will be a good or bad thing, that's a completely different story.
 
SuperLee said:
And the entire population of the world lives in North America right? Also, if you look at Lex's maps on the boat, the growth of Krypton is slow. An unstoppable wave of destruction, which gives people time to pay him and buy his land.
Only rich people would buy land, right? Why would a rich guy wand to live on a barren rock without electricity or water when he could live in a Mediterranean Villa?

And the land mass was growing fast enough that he would have to have some way to get people's money (which would indecently be useless when the economy crashed) and then get them onto the rock, and supply them with food, water and shelter. Think its easy, look at New Orleans.

Nobody would trade with him, or have anything to do with him. How would he accomplish all this? With 5 Crystals? Do they make food and water? Do these 5 crystals he have left have the ability to organize an evacuation of the US in time to save enough people to make the whole thing worth while? Can they, duing this evacuation, also prevent other countries from taking over this new land? Can 5 Crystals, 2 goons, and ditzy woman, a bald guy and a dog really do all that?
 
Isildur´s Heir and Silent type...couldnt of said it better myself.

Silent type yr 'classified ad' was hilarious!
 
Thanks to all of you guys, I now can't think of his plan as serious anymore. Everytime I start laughing b/c of how inprobable it is.

Thanks alot -_-
 
I think that the FIRST continent, NEW KRYPTON, was grown SPECIFICALLY for the purpous of KILLING Superman. The next one(s) would have been wrapped probably in some sort of soil or vegitation to create HABBITABLE continents. However, he should have said something like that.

-R
 
I also love how Lex revels in the fact that his plan will kill BILLIONS!! There are only what 6.5 billion people on the planet.
 
The plan, the script, the idea, the notion, ALL of it was TOTALLY IDIOTIC.
and none of the so called explanation from people change that basic fact.
 
SilentType said:
For Sale: Mildly radioactive wasteland roughly the size of North America.
A real Fixer-Uper! Great “project” Land mass. Only needs soil, water, plants, wildlife, infrastructure, housing, and economy!
Crystalline defenses coming soon! (Defenses will be operational when I get around to it.)

Get it before it’s all gone!
Contact Lex “Man Who Killed Billions Without Retribution” Luthor. (815) 555-0143
:D:D :D :D That is brilliant. That had me laughing out loud. I can't believe people are actually trying to defend this ridiculous plot.
 

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