Superman Returns Did Lex's plan make sense to anyone?

And I thought buying acres and acres of worthless desert land and hitting the west coast of the US with a missile to sell beach front property on a new west coast was ridiculous, Lex has really flipped his wig......literally.
 
He really wants that land. He can't help it.
 
like someone said there were no signs of the marines or airforce Although by water wouldn't be wise (case in point the "gertrude" yacht) and the planes might have been struck by lightning
 
It was the only thing about the movie that I felt went nowhere. It's time to move past Lex. Superman has other villians that need to be on the big screen
 
Did Lex's plan make sense to anyone?

Lex's plan was a good plan, his only mistake was mixing the KRYPTONITE with the kryptonian crystal . If lex had just place the crystal in the ocean it would've turned into another FOS. Instead of a twisted version of Krypton .
 
His role was not well implimented. Aside from the imminent threat of the earthquake and power outages, the public wasn't really aware of any freaky growing landmasses. They weren't aware of the possibility. They weren't even aware of why superman was so hurt.
 
Lex was pretty boring and didn't seem all that threatening. Redundant really. I wish they had gone with a badass supervillain that Supes could really duke it out with. The total lack of chemistry between Lois and Superman was crap too. Dull story, plot holes, dark and dreary palette. Sure hope someone else directs the next one. Keep Routh, Langella, the Jimmy Olsen guy and dump Kate Bosworth. Routh was good, he can wear the cape again.
 
I think Lex's plan was to have this NK so that he would control virtually everything in the world. I think this version was much more about world domination and much less about money. He already got the millions from the old lady, now he wants power. It's all about the POWER. It's not all about the money.
 
Nah, he just wanted the power. He'd literally own New Krypton, and that would make him sort of like.....a President, or something. Power. Feared.
 
The Overlord said:
If he could grow weapons out of nothing, he could have set up a defense perimeter, force fields, anti aircraft laser plantforms, something to keep the military at bay, instead he sat around, like a fool.

As I said, although Lex didn't have enough time.

It's a fair criticism to say that Singer should have had the island set up earlier. The scene in the basement was really superfluous. It would have been much better to have created the island right off the bat and then have the movie allow Lex to have created some technology to keep Superman at bay.
 
Spider-Fan930 said:
Has Lex taken into consideration that by killing off all the continents, he not only kills the people, but the animals and vegetation too? If Lex wins, everyone dies, because there is no food. Yep, really thought that out. Also, where was the technology he was supposed to fight the world off with? I just saw some big rocks.

As it's been mentioned, since Kryption was all crystallized already and yet the people of Krypton were able to thrive, it's likely that they were beyond the need for soil, vegetation and such and could create food through technology.
 
Uhmm....so what happened to the rest of Superman cyrstals when Katty (sp?) threw them on the ground?

Is there going to be large masses of more FOS rising from the ocean or did Superman just send his crystals into space forever?
 
JokerFish said:
Uhmm....so what happened to the rest of Superman cyrstals when Katty (sp?) threw them on the ground?

Is there going to be large masses of more FOS rising from the ocean or did Superman just send his crystals into space forever?

She threw them on the ground of the FOS, so there's no reaction.
 
War Lord said:
As I said, although Lex didn't have enough time.

It's a fair criticism to say that Singer should have had the island set up earlier. The scene in the basement was really superfluous. It would have been much better to have created the island right off the bat and then have the movie allow Lex to have created some technology to keep Superman at bay.

He had time to sit around and smoke cigars, but he didn't have to time create these super weapons to defend against a possible air strike? That makes no sense.
 
The island was forming when he was sitting there. He wanted to satisfy his own ego and watch as his continent came to life....hence the cigar.
 
pardon my english...

the more you think of it, the more it doesn't make sense... Lex is not a genius, he's an irresponsible fool. He wanted to grow a continent? fine, but first he should has a plan to protect himself in case there is some military actions toward his threat, and you don't even need Superman for that.

If this New Krypton grows and destroys half the America, world's economic would crumble and money would no longer worth anything. What would Lex do with all the money? he can use it for toilet paper if he likes since there doesn't seem to be any sanitary facilities on New Krypton. And if he sold the land to people who could afford it, how he's going to control the population? with just 3-4 henchmen?

a genius would have anticipate everything to the last details.

call me nitpicking, but nitpicking is what people with brains do.
 
The Overlord said:
If he could do that then why didn't he, he would have had weapons to deal with Superman when he returned. I saw no evidence he could do that. Hell when didn't he start making weapons to stop a miliary strike, he was hanging around in a cave and his helicopper was outside it. The US airforce could have launched an air strike, using radar tech to spot the the helicopter or using some heat seeking missles to take him out. Lex was just sitting in a cave, he had no defense against that. The only reason the military didn't attack him, was because of plot induced stupidity. Either Lex did have the ability to grow weapons and was being stupid by not doing so right away or he didn't have ability, which would mean the whole plan is doomed from the start.

Or maybe the whole military angle was something so totaly unimportant that it is left for thr viewer to decide, heck why do people always need everything spelled out for them use your brain a little bit. It's obvious that Krypton tech can grow a spaceship and a fortress with advanced technology ergo it is able to grow transportation devices and military devices as well. Who says Lex didn't already have a sound defence mechanism? Just because you don't see it doesn't negate the possibility. It was just not something the director felt necessairy to dwell on.
 
I think Lex's plan for his "beachfront property" was a weak link in the movie, and I didn't enjoy it. It's actually worse that Lex's plan in STM to sink California, because in SR he actually believed that anyone would want to buy his continent, a land that isn't habitable and probably kill millions in the U.S. if it is left alone. As a matter of fact, I think the US government would've probably find Lex & his henchmen and arrest them before they could get their way, even Superman weren't there. It just didn't make much sense to me, and I blame it on the writers. Sure they did a decent job with the script, but this is the part where they dropped the ball.

I hope Lex won't return in the sequel and decide to build a new estate somewhere again. That would get old really fast.
 
Emrys said:
Or maybe the whole military angle was something so totaly unimportant that it is left for thr viewer to decide, heck why do people always need everything spelled out for them use your brain a little bit. It's obvious that Krypton tech can grow a spaceship and a fortress with advanced technology ergo it is able to grow transportation devices and military devices as well. Who says Lex didn't already have a sound defence mechanism? Just because you don't see it doesn't negate the possibility. It was just not something the director felt necessairy to dwell on.

With the stuff Lex and his men took when they were scurrying out of the cave, I think it is plain that they had no actually defenses except a bunch of krypton crystals, which Lex want to use to sell to the highest bidders as properties. The only defense they had where the kryptonite laced inside the continent, against Superman.
 
he doesn't need any defence because throwing bits of the crystal in even a cup of water will disable all power system, so there is no way any aircraft can attack his base
 
Isildur´s Heir said:
Not for this one ;)
But, because you have seen it, correct me if i´m wrong.

Lex Luthor´s Ridiculous Plan
I´m sorry to say, but it´s just plain......not corny, not dumb....oh yeah, stupid.
So, Luthor´s plan is to build a new continent just to sell land.
That alone, IMO, is just stupid, but that´s me, and if that was the only problem, all would be fine.

It's also about Power, being the owner of the only working technology on the planet, being the only person who can "save" the rest of humanity from a new stone age and give them back civilization. Bringing them back the fire so to speak.

Not only he wants to build a new continent, he wants to create a Krytonian one.
Why? To kill Superman?
Why go to all that trouble, when a single piece of Kryptonite will do the trick?

Because a single piece of Kryptonite always has then bad habbit of ending somehow out of reach of the man of steel, a whole continent however that surrounds superman is not in danger of somehow being blocked.

And he will kill billions and destroy everything in the process...great, now the question that remains is, after billions are dead, who is there to buy his land?

6.5 billion beings on this planet, if he kills, lets say 2.8 billions there are still many left.

And if you kill billions, you´ll get a lot of empty space in return, so, why do people want to move to LuthorLand?

Because the empty space is wilderness, no electricity, no technology no comfort no civilization. Lex however offers a place that has civilization, technology and all homegrown. People will go where they can have the closest thing to their former lives.

So, he wants to build a new continent, and alien continent, and sell it. Why alien? To kill Superman! How is he going to kill Superman with Kryptonian soil? Because it has Kryptonite...oh brother :rolleyes:

Because he can't grown a continent with human technology

First things first, the crystals are not natural, they are artificial, so, how the hell does Luthor have one?
Because he stole it from the Fortress of Solitude, which means that Superman had a continent builder crystal, so, the question that remains is, why did he had that?

No, he had a building crystal, a thing that is adabtable to the builders wishes, if the builder wants a spaceship, it grows a spaceship, if he wants a fortress it grows a fortress... so if the builder wants a continent...

Third assumption, and this one is the most laughable of all, all kryptonian crystals have the capacity to make land grow, all you have to do is had water :rolleyes:
And why is it laughable?
Because of the same reason i say the continent builders crystals are artificial.
If you believe that they are natural and grow on kryptonian soil, you´ll have to believe that, if you go for a walk in Krypton, you´ll see masses of land erupting from everywhere.
Krypton, the ever-growing planet!
Krypton, the planet that will end engolfing the universe!

If you asume that the owner of the Crystal cannot control its growth then yes but since it is obvious that he can your point is moot.

But, worst than creating a continent, is the reason on how to kill Superman.

How? Because there is Kryptonite everwhere....
And how in hell is there Kryptonite? Does is grows on trees in Kryton? Do you really believe that there is a planet where the minerals kills their inhabitants? So, how the hell did they survived that long?

The crystals can adabt properties of minerals surronding them, Lex inserted Kryptonite into the growing crystal.

As far as I know Uranium is deadly to all forms of live on earth and it's a mineral here on this planet.

If it doesnt grows on trees, how can there be Krytonite in New Kryton? If Kryptonite is an anomaly, a natural flaw, how can a crystal that builds continents make anything more than a perfect land?

Like I said, the crystal was tainted with shards of Kryptonite and took on its property when it self replicated into the continent.

And don´t tell me that Luthor planted it there, because where he would get such a huge stash of Kryptonite? And the trouble to plant it all over is ridiculous.

All is needed is a big enough dose to make a building crystal take on its property since the crystal self replicates it does the same with the kryptonite taint.

But there is the most gigantic, most moronic flaw of all, one that suplents every other, one that makes every bit of his plan be utterly ridiculous....
Luthor wants to build a continent to sell the land, let´s imagine that all that is true, let´s imagine that he could actually build it, let´s imagine that there would be enough people interested in buying a piece of land, all that Luthor is going to get from all of it is...the eletric chair.
Basicaly, Luthor´s plan is to fry in the chair! :rolleyes:

Who is going to arrest him? people who enter his continent? a few orders by luthor and whole armies will be killed the moment they set foot onto NK, imagione what happened to the yacht happening to armies when they attack, large crystal spears coming out of the ground and staking every last one of them, Lex can control every little part of NK down to crystals the size of a pebble if necessairy.

What was he thinking went he went throught with it?
No one can build land and get away with it, no one builds land and sells it, we are not talking about a little piece, but an all fu**ing continent.
That massive piece of land would automaticaly belong to the country is built upon, it will never belong to Luthor.

If it is built in international waters then no, there is no owner and even if it is build in jurisdiction of another country who will go there and enforce the rights? the Army? Well have fun being massacred I'd say.

What would he do? Would he fight for it? Say, i killed billions, but the land is mine? Would he go to war with the all world? And his plan of selling it?
So, in the end, it´s all plan is just ridiculous, he would never sell it and he went to all that trouble for nothing.

Of course he would and he would have enough technology to hold the world at bay, Heck if someone complains threaten them with the option of dropping a crystal into their heat land and watch it spread like cancer.

And people would of course come, after all Lex's continent is the only one that offers a modicum of civilization, technology, comformt and so on while the rest of the earth is a stone age **** hole. Just give them a little time till they grow desperate enough in their misery and they will gladly accept what Luthor has to offer by then, namely a green, lush continent where you wishes literally grow on trees, or to be more specific grow out of the "rocks".

Imho it's perfect, the best world domination plan ever and one that actually makes sense.
 
Again, if you really, really think about it...Lex's plan really isn't about land. It's about power and revenge.

As others might have said, he already had enough crystals to develop as many Kryptonian landmass he wanted...that resembled the beauty of the Fortress of Solitude.

And yet, he fuses the crystal to creat his first landmass with Kryptonite. Again, why does he do that?

The answer, I personally think, has to do with the return of Superman. At the beginning of the plan, it was money/power grab by him. There's no debating that. But when he reads that newspaper, the vengenance and anger of being locked up in jail because of this God that mankind has adopted destroys Lex's logic. From that moment, its all about revenge for Lex, plain and simple.

The showdown between Lex and Superman shows this.

Ask yourself this question, if Superman had not returned, would he have laced the landmass with Kryptonite?

The answer, considering the amount of crystals he had, is absolutely no.
 
Kane said:
The island was forming when he was sitting there. He wanted to satisfy his own ego and watch as his continent came to life....hence the cigar.

Ah! So TOBACCO was the ingredient that screwed New Krypton!
 

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