Superman Returns Did Lex's plan make sense to anyone?

[Drago]

I didn't mind Lex going for another real-estate scam... it's the way he was in the previous Superman films, so I saw no reason to change it. He doesn't have a grudge with society, just with Supes, and we saw him act on that.

I thought his plan made perfect sense, but he didn't explain how he would defend himself from the other countries of the world very well. However, at the end of his speech to Lois, didn't he say something about "if they try to stop me...", and then he showed a map where every continent is beneath a "new krypton"? I'm trying to remember, but I definitely remember something along those lines and I definitely remember seeing the world map like that.

 

[Willowhugger]

That's big strech to say that those five crystals would provided enough technology to provide the island from military strikes and make the place completely livable for humans, especially since we saw no evidence of that on screen. You're just uisng guess work to fill in the plot holes.

No offense but they can already destroy the United States. I think that you're being a little odd by not assuming that they'll fail to do anything else like wipe out the world's power or destroy any individual they want from orbit or whatever.

Hell, WHO WILL stop Lex since he's already destroyed the USA?

You what let's simplify things, forget Lex selling this tech and its impact on human race. If Lex had used his resources to build these weapons and used them to take over the world, that would have made sense and would have far cooler than this bad real estate scam. Superman fighting these alien weapons would have been far cooler and more original than another bad real estate scam. Superman vs. Lex in an alien tech mech would have far more interesting than Superman getting his ass kicked while carrying off that stupid
island.

We had a movie where Lex Luthor used weapons dealing and Kryptonian technology to take over the world, it was called Superman 4.

 

[Drago]

That's big strech to say that those five crystals would provided enough technology to provide the island from military strikes and make the place completely livable for humans, especially since we saw no evidence of that on screen. You're just uisng guess work to fill in the plot holes.

Yes, who needs a villainous plan that is intelligent, sutble and makes sense, not when we can rip off the 1978 film and have another bad real estate scam.


You what let's simplify things, forget Lex selling this tech and its impact on human race. If Lex had used his resources to build these weapons and used them to take over the world, that would have made sense and would have far cooler than this bad real estate scam. Superman fighting these alien weapons would have been far cooler and more original than another bad real estate scam. Superman vs. Lex in an alien tech mech would have far more interesting than Superman getting his ass kicked while carrying off that stupid
island.

I think that WB will still be making a sequel to this with Singer, and I have a feeling that the sequel will involve a super-villian or atleast something alien. I sure hope so, because I'm kind of sick of Superman vs. Lex Luthor every film.

 

[Postman]

Kryptonian weapon technology.

That we never saw....I just dont understand where this technology was going to come from...the land? The movie was full of plot holes which was too bad considering it was very well made movie besides the script.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

He would pretty much crush the other countries by with New Krypton.

 

[Emrys]

That we never saw....I just dont understand where this technology was going to come from...the land? The movie was full of plot holes which was too bad considering it was very well made movie besides the script.

jepp, you grow it out of the crystals like the spaceship for example. The technology are the crystals

 

[Emrys]

That's big strech to say that those five crystals would provided enough technology to provide the island from military strikes and make the place completely livable for humans, especially since we saw no evidence of that on screen. You're just uisng guess work to fill in the plot holes.

why not they can grow a fortress choke full technology after all.

They are self-replicating, limitless potential.

 

[Postman]

why not they can grow a fortress choke full technology after all.

They are self-replicating, limitless potential.

They would have to grow pretty fast before the US acted against Lex after he almost killed people with his earthquake and considering he's an ex con I'm sure they would act pretty fast once they found out about that island, but you know what as convaluted as Lex's plan was I could ignore that what I could not ignore is that superman was able to lift a small island of what essentially was kryptonite all the way out to space. If you are going to make something a weakness than make it a weakness dont only have it be a weakness when it is convenient to the storyline. I understand he got superpowered by the sun, but I'm just not buying that would be enough to lift a whole island of kryptonite when it almost killed him just standing on it previously

 

[Willowhugger]

They would have to grow pretty fast before the US acted against Lex after he almost killed people with his earthquake and considering he's an ex con I'm sure they would act pretty fast once they found out about that island, but you know what as convaluted as Lex's plan was I could ignore that what I could not ignore is that superman was able to lift a small island of what essentially was kryptonite all the way out to space. If you are going to make something a weakness than make it a weakness dont only have it be a weakness when it is convenient to the storyline. I understand he got superpowered by the sun, but I'm just not buying that would be enough to lift a whole island of kryptonite when it almost killed him just standing on it previously

Well Superman was seperated by all that rock between them for most of the trip...and the old "Kryptonite weakens me but I can do it for as long as dramatically necessary" is as old as the comics.

As for the USA doing something against it. I think it was pretty clear they were already knocked out completely for most of the initial stage of the growth (the EMP) and by the time they realized something was wrong they'd all be dead.

It would have only been like an hour til the world was destroyed.

But something else...

Lex Luthor is crazy.

Just to throw this out. People do realize the man is irrational, psychotic, and insane? He could sell the cure for AIDS from Krypton and become God to billions of people. Hell, add cancer and he could be the president of the United Nations...nuclear missile or not. However, he prefers to make his own literal kingdom.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, people seem to forget that these bad guys.....they're all crazy. Ya cannot assume you KNOW crazy.

 

[Willowhugger]

Yeah, people seem to forget that these bad guys.....they're all crazy. Ya cannot assume you KNOW crazy.

Yes, I just wanted it to be clear.

"Why would Lex kill a billion people just to make money on a real estate scam?"

Partially because he wants to kill a few billion people.

It's the same thing with creating the Lex Beachfront property. If Lex had 2 nuclear missiles he could RANSOM them back to the United States government for as much money as he could make from his islands.

He's an evil man who likes slaughter.

 

[pspring5]

this movie was set up for a sequel. the kid, new krypton, martha telling clark the universe is a big place, richard, crystals not being found, not sure if there is more but all this leads to a possible sequel. also i loved the tribute to the old superman comic with the car lift. wonder whose idea it was.

 

[YoMaMa84]

Growing the land was never to sell and get money. Lex knew that mixing crystals would result in growing more of the same crystal. Then he knew Superman would go to the land and be weaken by it. Because he saw it as the only way to kill him.

Lex is smart......very smart if you think about it.

Thats what i think.

 

[Sardaukar]

I wanted Lex's plan to make sense for me. I really did. But it didn't.

Even if you justified this insane plan by saying Lex is insane, that's not being true to the character.

Lex is somewhat irrational in his hatred of Superman, but he wouldn't use irrational means to kill him.

This Lex is a lot like Pre-crisis, mad scientist Lex, but that character has evolved. It's too bad the writers didn't take advantage of that. This mad plot seemed like it was taken straight out of a 1970s Superman book.

 

[buggs0268]

it was stupid. Now if his intention to grwo the land was just to kill Superman, then it would have been okay. the other thing, besides some destruction when it first popped out of the ocean, there was no damage. No threat. yeah we saw it on a map but damn. Donner actually showed the missle hiting thefault line and all the damage caused to California because of it. Imagine if Superman The Movie's whole major crisis that Superman had to stop was only that scene where Lex shows Supes what could ahve happened and Supes caught both missles before anything happened? Not the same film we all know and love.

 

[Willowhugger]

I wanted Lex's plan to make sense for me. I really did. But it didn't.

Even if you justified this insane plan by saying Lex is insane, that's not being true to the character.

Lex is somewhat irrational in his hatred of Superman, but he wouldn't use irrational means to kill him.

This Lex is a lot like Pre-crisis, mad scientist Lex, but that character has evolved. It's too bad the writers didn't take advantage of that. This mad plot seemed like it was taken straight out of a 1970s Superman book.

No offense but the Post-Crisis Lex Luthor is not some paragon of sanity either. This is the Lex Luthor whom upon becoming President of the United States decided to bring an asteroid to Earth of Kryptonite to destroy Superman so he could rule the ashes. This is the Lex Luthor whom after that failed gave up the Presidency to attack Superman man to man. This is the Lex Luthor whom INVITED Brainiac 13 to transform Metropolis into a gigantic computer complex. The Lex Luthor whom destroyed Metropolis after he was dying of Clone Poisoning. The Lex Luthor whom....do I need to go on?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, Lex is a freakin' genuis........so, don't feel bad if you couldn't comprehend his plan. I mean, he is criminal mastermind.

 

[Gogo Bananas]

It made sense, it just wasn't that creative.
Richard Pryor had a better scheme in SM III.
But, oh yeah, III isn't part of the vague history.

 

[Emrys]

They would have to grow pretty fast before the US acted against Lex after he almost killed people with his earthquake and considering he's an ex con I'm sure they would act pretty fast once they found out about that island, but you know what as convaluted as Lex's plan was I could ignore that what I could not ignore is that superman was able to lift a small island of what essentially was kryptonite all the way out to space. If you are going to make something a weakness than make it a weakness dont only have it be a weakness when it is convenient to the storyline. I understand he got superpowered by the sun, but I'm just not buying that would be enough to lift a whole island of kryptonite when it almost killed him just standing on it previously

How long did it take in the first movie for the fortress to grow? a few seconds at best. If you had payed attention you would have seen that the continent was separated from supes by a mass of dirt, only when he had it save in space enough dirt had fallen of and geen parts started coming through.

 

[The Overlord]

why not they can grow a fortress choke full technology after all.

They are self-replicating, limitless potential.

Considering Lex was able to walk into Superman's fortress and take anything he wanted in the first place, with no security measures to stop him, I'm not impressed with with these Kryptonian fortresses. also if Lex had the ability to grow a fortess out of nothing, why didn't he do so right away to protect himself, was it because he's an idiot?

 

[SilentType]

Even if you completely ignore the military aspect and assume the world would leave Lex alone, It doesn't change the fact that the result of Lex's plan would be the worlds largest chunk of useless rock. Absolutely no natural resources of any kind. No food, power or water. You can't eat magic crystals. You can't drink magic crystals. You would be better off living in the Sahara.
If he couldn’t create powerful kryptonian weapons, he couldn’t defend is barren useless continent.
If he had the ability to create crystal weapons that could protect him from the whole world (with a staff consisting of a few goons and a small dog) couldn’t he have simply taken over the perfectly viable land using that technology and a few more employees? Started off small, created an army, and taken over the world?
Creating a barren wasteland the size of North America isn’t just crazy, it's STUPID and POINTLESS. No matter how crazy he is, Lex should not be STUPID or POINTLESS.

 

[Gogo Bananas]

Apparently Krypton was one giant crystalline mass. We can assume the crystals would have been able to produce technology to produce food just like they do on Star trek.

 

[Emrys]

Considering Lex was able to walk into Superman's fortress and take anything he wanted in the first place, with no security measures to stop him, I'm not impressed with with these Kryptonian fortresses. also if Lex had the ability to grow a fortess out of nothing, why didn't he do so right away to protect himself, was it because he's an idiot?

who says that the fortress of solitude was supposed to have any defences?

Cause he didn't need one right away?

 

[The Overlord]

Well, Lex is a freakin' genuis........so, don't feel bad if you couldn't comprehend his plan. I mean, he is criminal mastermind.

That's bad excuse, so any idiot who does something stupid, can claimn their genius and that people just don't understand their actions. I saw no evidence that lex was a genius in this film.

 

[Willowhugger]

Considering Lex was able to walk into Superman's fortress and take anything he wanted in the first place, with no security measures to stop him, I'm not impressed with with these Kryptonian fortresses. also if Lex had the ability to grow a fortess out of nothing, why didn't he do so right away to protect himself, was it because he's an idiot?

Honestly, I'm not of the mind that Lex Luthor actually has a plan beyond "destroy the world." I think the "Kryptonian defenses" thing is largely BS (pardon my language). Luthor just wants to eradicate the United States to make it pay for imprisoning him and then intends to wing it from there.