Superman Returns Did Lex's plan make sense to anyone?

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I just don't understand how he kept saying he was ready if anyone came after him.

it was just him! And three guys! What?? Did they even have a bazooka or rocket launcher or something? What alien technology would stop a fleet of police choppers from landing and taking Lex in?

If he was just building a secret hideout in the ocean somewhere, then a kryptonite-laced island would be brilliant. But this was his plan! Did they even have a roof? He's lucky some of the crystals formed a makeshift staircase!

I agree.

 

[The Overlord]

who says that the fortress of solitude was supposed to have any defences?

Cause he didn't need one right away?

Who says the fortress of solitude was supposed to have any defences? Gee I don't know, if it had defenses Lex wouldn't have been able to get in and steal the tech in the first place, Superman has this advanced tech at his command, yet he is to stupid to create a few measures to prevent people from comming and stealing his stuff. Is Superman an idiot as well?

Lex didn't need it right away. So if the military had decided to strike right then, Luthor would have been dead. You're doing a bad job trying to cover these plot holes.

 

[Willowhugger]

Who says the fortress of solitude was supposed to have any defences? Gee I don't know, if it had defenses Lex wouldn't have been able to get in and steal the tech in the first place, Superman has this advanced tech at his command, yet he is tto stupid to create a few measures to prevent people from comming and stealing his stuff. Is Superman an idiot as well?

Lex didn't need it right away. So if the military had decided to strike right then, Luthor would have been dead. You're doing a bad job trying to cover these plot holes.

Honestly, yes, Kal-El is a bit of an idiot.

Here's some things Kal-El honestly doesn't think about.

1. Sharing Kryptonian technology to cure all world ills
2. That someone might find his Antarctic Fortress
3. That people would MISS him if he left for five years...

 

[Gogo Bananas]

The Fortress apparently didn't even need solid walls.

 

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[ChrisBaleBatman]

How long did it take in the first movie for the fortress to grow? a few seconds at best. If you had payed attention you would have seen that the continent was separated from supes by a mass of dirt, only when he had it save in space enough dirt had fallen of and geen parts started coming through.

I think that specifc crystal was meant for it though.

Considering Lex was able to walk into Superman's fortress and take anything he wanted in the first place, with no security measures to stop him, I'm not impressed with with these Kryptonian fortresses. also if Lex had the ability to grow a fortess out of nothing, why didn't he do so right away to protect himself, was it because he's an idiot?

You kinda sound like John Peters there......I mean.....should there be some polar bears?

Even if you completely ignore the military aspect and assume the world would leave Lex alone, It doesn't change the fact that the result of Lex's plan would be the worlds largest chunk of useless rock. Absolutely no natural resources of any kind. No food, power or water. You can't eat magic crystals. You can't drink magic crystals. You would be better off living in the Sahara.
If he couldn’t create powerful kryptonian weapons, he couldn’t defend is barren useless continent.
If he had the ability to create crystal weapons that could protect him from the whole world (with a staff consisting of a few goons and a small dog) couldn’t he have simply taken over the perfectly viable land using that technology and a few more employees? Started off small, created an army, and taken over the world?
Creating a barren wasteland the size of North America isn’t just crazy, it's STUPID and POINTLESS. No matter how crazy he is, Lex should not be STUPID or POINTLESS.

He didn't plan on destroying the world though. He was going to use that as his bluff card.

That's bad excuse, so any idiot who does something stupid, can claimn their genius and that people just don't understand their actions. I saw no evidence that lex was a genius in this film.

He decoded an ancient, dead, alien language and learned to use the technology.

Sound like a genius to me.

Who says the fortress of solitude was supposed to have any defences? Gee I don't know, if it had defenses Lex wouldn't have been able to get in and steal the tech in the first place, Superman has this advanced tech at his command, yet he is to stupid to create a few measures to prevent people from comming and stealing his stuff. Is Superman an idiot as well?

I think the defense is being in the arctic. Nobody ever goes there.

He never counted on Lex getting out of prison to begin with, much rather STEALING Kryptonian technology.

Honestly, yes, Kal-El is a bit of an idiot.

Here's some things Kal-El honestly doesn't think about.

1. Sharing Kryptonian technology to cure all world ills
2. That someone might find his Antarctic Fortress
3. That people would MISS him if he left for five years...

1. How do you know the technology can cure anything?
2. Why would anyone?
3. He didn't know he'd be gone for 5 years....

 

[SilentType]

He didn't plan on destroying the world though. He was going to use that as his bluff card.

I'm not sure how this answers anything, or how it relates to my post.
He wants money and power, and I'm saying there were so many less ridiculous and destructive ways to get that.

And your answer to the defenses question is that Supes is a moron?
It was strongly implied that Lex had been to the FOS before, you would think Supes would have some kind of defense against someone stealing the entire store of Kryptonian technology and knowledge.

 

[PunisherPoster]

You kinda sound like John Peters there......I mean.....should there be some polar bears?

What's ironic is that the 'polar bear' idea has become such a running joke amongst fanboys...yet the idea of a security measure ended up being a valid idea for this film.

Superman leaves the Earth and realizes he will be gone for some time. Yet he doesn't take any precautions to keep advanced alien technology from falling into the wrong hands?

This, despite the fact that he knows Lex Luthor is aware of the Fortress' location. And that his enemies have gotten into the Fortress on at least one previous occasion.

Just think, if Gertrude had died sooner, Metropolis would've been destroyed.

 

[Willowhugger]

I'm not sure how this answers anything, or how it relates to my post.
He wants money and power, and I'm saying there were so many less ridiculous and destructive ways to get that.

And your answer to the defenses question is that Supes is a moron?
It was strongly implied that Lex had been to the FOS before, you would think Supes would have some kind of defense against someone stealing the entire store of Kryptonian technology and knowledge.

As stated, I think Lex doesn't want money and power. Lex HAS money. He married a rich widow to get it. He possibly has billions for all we know.

He WANTS destruction.

 

[The Overlord]

You kinda sound like John Peters there......I mean.....should there be some polar bears?

Polar bears would have stupid, but setting by a force field to block poteinal theifs would have been smart.

 

[SilentType]

As stated, I think Lex doesn't want money and power. Lex HAS money. He married a rich widow to get it. He possibly has billions for all we know.

He WANTS destruction.

Than why did Lex spend any time talking about the value of land and such? Why did they establish a plan at all? Why didn't lex just throw a couple crystals into a public pool and be done with it? I guess Lex used his "Get out of ludicrous plan because he’s is Bats**t insane" card.

 

[SFII]

you know, that stuff was growing so fast, it would've kill'd the planet by aborbing all 7 oceans within a relatively short period of time.
it would spread like cancer.

thank you Dr. Superman.

 

[nogster]

thats what makes SR good but not great. it shouldve been better than what it was. its dissapointing. i thought superman himself was done great. the action, the performance etc. but the story around it was weak.
lex's plan no matter what way u look at it was illogical and silly. what to me is even sillier is that superman can actually carry this entire island continent that lex created into space when it is made of kryptonite. and he had some imbedded in him still.
that is unforgiveable. as when he first landed on the island. lex and his thugs started hammering him. as he was powerless because of the kryptonite. then 20 minutes later he is carrying this kryptonite island into space?????wtf. did i miss something here. i could sort of go with it if he DIDNT HAVE A KRYPTONITE SHARD STILL IMBEDDED IN HIM. even then though. doesnt supermans powers go mute and doesnt he slowly die when around kryptonite. like shown when he got the snot beaten out of him?
the story was the weak pt. it should've been a better movie.

 

[Willowhugger]

Than why did Lex spend any time talking about the value of land and such? Why did they establish a plan at all? Why didn't lex just throw a couple crystals into a public pool and be done with it? I guess Lex used his "Get out of ludicrous plan because he’s is Bats**t insane" card.

That's actually called characterization. Lex has motives other than what he says are his motives. In this case, he's talking about real estate and Kryptonian technology because they're a side benefit. He justifies the fact he's going to wipe out the United States BECAUSE on the basis of economic gain but as we've all stated...that clearly isn't his main reason for it.

He may intend to use the Kryptonian technology to heal the Earth or conquer its ashes and its possible IT WON'T WORK but that doesn't prevent Luthor from trying.

He talks about things like "his cut" and so on because he's not a conqueror or statesman but a crook at heart.

 

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Yes Nogster, I didn't like that either lol. I guess it was just the strength he was able to maintain, before he grew weak again. Still, the kryptonite was in his body so that was kind of

 

[ZeroCorpse]

I'm starting to prefer Superman III.

At least the half-cent thieving plot was well thought-out. And the villains, though cheesy, were different people and had different motivations.

Aww... Who am I kidding? Superman III sucked. But Lex's plot sucked, too.

I'm so confused.

 

[nogster]

yeah. the filmakers expected us to believe that the sun charged him enough to do this even though it may kill him, but i dont care how charged up he is, or couragous, its KRYPTONITE! how can he become weak with no powers when jsut standing on the island, yet he can then carry this same entire island into space. its stupid. esspecially when he still had a kryptonite shard in him. it goes against everything we've been told about superman and kryptonite in the movies and the comics.
i mean...this film is clearly a direct ode to the original film. like a continuation. and in the original superman. he simply had a kryptonite rock necklace around him. and he nearly drowned in a pool!! kryptonite was so powerfull against him he couldnt even lift the chain off his neck. now in SR he can carry a kryptonite island into space?????
please.......
ruined the movie somewhat for me.
i dont understand it.

 

[PunisherPoster]

What's really silly is that Superman just walks into Lex's trap. He knows Lex is out of prison. He obviously knows who took the crystals. He knows there has been another fluke museum robbery. He knows Lex will be expecting him and knows about kryptonite. Yet he doesn't take any precautions.

In the novelization, he even lies on the ground asking, "How?" Hmm...let's see, how could Luthor have managed to weaken you, Superman? (At least they had enough sense to cut that line out of the film.)

 

[LongshotRules]

I just find it extremely hard to believe that billions of people around the world, with armies, planes, tanks, and nukes, can't stop a man responsible for killing millions and wiping out US continent. What's so powerful about Kryptonian weapons that Lex can shoot down planes and destroy any nukes that come his way? And I seriously doubt the world will do business with a known terriorist. I mean his plan makes stuff Al Quida has done look like chickenfeed. The rest of the world would rather unite against a enemy than buying land from him. Not way Lex and his henchmen can stay awake 24/7 so they can deal with any retaliation for what they've done against USA.

Imagine a pack of nuclear subs sending 50 nuke warheads toward Lex. In the middle of the night when he's sleeping. I doubt he'll be able to stop all of them before getting blown to smithereens.

And even though US has the world's largest economy it's far from the only economy that generates world's revenue. I mean you still have oil countries making tons of money, China and India responsible for most factories and labor, and G8 countries like UK, France, and Germany that have plenty of money themselves. Destroying US ain't gonna make them poor overnight, if at all.

 

[Gogo Bananas]

Hard to make that assertion without knowing the capabilities of Kryptonian weaponry.
Like many have said, it would have been a lot nicer if Lex had some kind of weapon at the ready, maybe his power armor, when Supes arrived.
But that's just one more thing Singer missed the boat on.

 

[KyleSBeaver]

He decoded an ancient, dead, alien language

You mean...English? Cuz that's what Jor-El spoke in...

 

[LongshotRules]

Create a continent, destroy the number one source of economy and have the world depend on him and use his land, as well as pay for it. If that's not becoming rich and powerful

I think we can all agree that those kryptonian technology is not going to feed the masses, provide fuel for your car, and make your life easier. Unless he can destroy a country in a split second and use the weapon to blackmail the world I don't see why people need to deal with him.

"Wow you got a...alien crystal. So what? Oh you will kill me if I don't buy it from you? Whatever." He's gonna have to back up his threat if he wishes the world to take him seriously. The movie did not address how he's gonna bring the world to its knees and most Supes fans just overlook it because they know it's a stupid plot.

 

[PunisherPoster]

I thought it was funny that Non very bluntly summed up the film's plot to the media:

"I thought the film was very good- the CGI was fantastic- but I think we had a better story line." -Jack O'Halloran at SR's premiere

 

[HoratioRome]

WILL YOU DEFENDERS OF THIS RIDICULOUS LUTHOR PLOT PLEASE STOP IT!

It's one thing to like this movie but please don't try to pass off this ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS plan as anything other than IDIOTIC.

Come one people, NONE of your so called explanations make any sense. Defending this plot only put you in the same mental category as the writers and director of this movie,...an idiot (in case you couldn't figure it out). It just proves that YOU too are an idiot.

I would take the time to argue the many reasons why this plot is a joke but frankly it's so over the top obsurd that it would be a waste of time. If you don't see that already I don't think logic would help.

THINK for once,...just THINK,...and STOP defending this non-sense.

 

[ZeroSuit]

WILL YOU DEFENDERS OF THIS RIDICULOUS LUTHOR PLOT PLEASE STOP IT!

It's one thing to like this movie but please don't try to pass off this ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS plan as anything other than IDIOTIC.

Come one people, NONE of your so called explanations make any sense. Defending this plot only put you in the same mental category as the writers and director of this movie,...an idiot (in case you couldn't figure it out). It just proves that YOU too are an idiot.

I would take the time to argue the many reasons why this plot is a joke but frankly it's so over the top obsurd that it would be a waste of time. If you don't see that already I don't think logic would help.

THINK for once,...just THINK,...and STOP defending this non-sense.

Made sense to me.

Lex kicked ass.

(You wont change my mind no matter how big your text is)