Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 2
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Oh yeah you can see how much work she is putting in physically with her body and the fact she has gotten better in the fight scenes as the season progressed, just have to keep in mind the others have had a lot longer doing that kind of work.
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Can Laurel be a improve/better hand to hand combat in 6 months time? In the comic, she supposedly to be very good at this and she don't require the use of a baton or any other weapon
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Of course she can if they play their cards right.
She is the top female martial artist behind WW in the comics.
She is the top female martial artist behind WW in the comics.
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After her fight on the last two episodes against multiple guys at the same time and Nyssa (on the last episode) proud saying she was the most excelent trainer, I think they'll have Laurel very good at fighting but, of course, this is Arrow's show, so he will always be better, but she will be able to handle a lot of fights witout the need to be saved I think...
If you watch the show Arrow, then youve seen Sara and Laurel Lance both take their turn kicking butts as the Black Canary. But the comic book character theyre both based on, Dinah Laurel Lance, has been beating up bad guys in DC comics since 1969 when she first helped to found the Justice League of America.
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MTV News: Tell me a little about how you guys got involved with this title.
Brenden Fletcher: Ive been writing the Batgirl comic book with Cameron Stewart for the last eight or nine months, and the Dinah Lance character was one of the supporting characters in that comic. And that character had a history with Barbara Gordon, Batgirl, for years going back to the 90s, they were on a team called the Birds of Prey together. So when the new 52 reboot came about in 2011, they were kind of paired up again in a new form.
We took that and ran with it and little bit, but we wanted to give Dinah something different to do. She had always been known as Black Canary, a crime-fighter, but to have her fighting crime alongside Batgirl made it a team book. So we needed to give her another kind of life, and it just made sense that when your character has an incredible voice that can literally level buildings, then maye shed be great in a rock band! So we kind of steered the charcter towards that, and that kind of became its own thing. It gathered life of its own and became a natural outgrowth to give her her own series. My pitch for it was, Its a kung-fu, Rock n Roll road trip. Thats kind of what Annie and I were trying to get to.
Annie Wu: And then I guess, in the early stages Brenden approached me about possibly joining him and launching this book, and of course I wanted to say yes immediately. You know, we talked about it and it sounded like a really good fit, like were both really interested in this thing, in certain aspects of performing and music, this new direction for this character. So I jumped on board and its been really fun.
Brenden Fletcher: Ive been writing the Batgirl comic book with Cameron Stewart for the last eight or nine months, and the Dinah Lance character was one of the supporting characters in that comic. And that character had a history with Barbara Gordon, Batgirl, for years going back to the 90s, they were on a team called the Birds of Prey together. So when the new 52 reboot came about in 2011, they were kind of paired up again in a new form.
We took that and ran with it and little bit, but we wanted to give Dinah something different to do. She had always been known as Black Canary, a crime-fighter, but to have her fighting crime alongside Batgirl made it a team book. So we needed to give her another kind of life, and it just made sense that when your character has an incredible voice that can literally level buildings, then maye shed be great in a rock band! So we kind of steered the charcter towards that, and that kind of became its own thing. It gathered life of its own and became a natural outgrowth to give her her own series. My pitch for it was, Its a kung-fu, Rock n Roll road trip. Thats kind of what Annie and I were trying to get to.
Annie Wu: And then I guess, in the early stages Brenden approached me about possibly joining him and launching this book, and of course I wanted to say yes immediately. You know, we talked about it and it sounded like a really good fit, like were both really interested in this thing, in certain aspects of performing and music, this new direction for this character. So I jumped on board and its been really fun.
MTV: In the tour poster we see some of who Im assuming are Dinahs bandmates. Can you tell us a little more about what theyre like as characters?
Fletcher: Theyre not the rock band that you see Dinah performing with in the Batgirl series. This is a whole new band that shes got with a whole new name. the band itself is called Black Canary, and theres a reason why shes in a new outfit now. She was performing with a band called the Ashes on Sunday in Batgirl. So this is Black Canary, these are her bandmates.
The heart and soul of the band is Lord Byron and she mostly plays drums, but shes a multi instrumentalist. She co-writes most of the songs, and this has always been her dream, so shes really the guiding force of the band. Her partner in crime is Paloma Terrific; Annie and I refer to her as our Johnny Greenwood. Shes also a multi instrumentalist, hes a co-writer, but shes really a gear-head. Not only does she collect gear but she builds her own noisemaking devices, or noise manipulation devices. Rounding out the crew is a mysterious young lady named Ditto, the ban has dubbed her Ditto because she can echo any sound that she hears. She plays lead guitar, but she doesnt use a lot of electronics to manipulate the sound of her guitar. Shes able to somehow do it without electronics. Shes quiet, withdrawn, but is an incredible musician, probably the best musician of the band.
Wu: I am so pumped for everyone to meet these bandmates because Ive had so much fun working on their look and their attitude and their body language. So I guess well start with Lord Byron for all of them, theyre kind of 80s, sort of Frankensteind together creations of all my favorite performers and musicians. Lord Byron is sort of a mix of David Bowies Thin White Duke era and Grace Jones, minus some of that severity but still some of that really super cool kind of androgynous sort of look. So shes really stylish in that way, shes very structured.
Then our Johnny Greenwood-type, I totally just made a female version of Johnny Greenwood because I love that whole slouching behind equipment and all of his hair all over his face while hes rocking out. I think thats so cool. And Ditto, I wanted some mysterious, quiet quality, but there is this element of intensity to her, so I tried channelling grind a little bit and then various performance artists. Its all my favorite stuff, but I get to put into these character. Hopefully people can really read that from the page, that Im trying to make them be amalgamations of all these things that I love.
Fletcher: Theyre not the rock band that you see Dinah performing with in the Batgirl series. This is a whole new band that shes got with a whole new name. the band itself is called Black Canary, and theres a reason why shes in a new outfit now. She was performing with a band called the Ashes on Sunday in Batgirl. So this is Black Canary, these are her bandmates.
The heart and soul of the band is Lord Byron and she mostly plays drums, but shes a multi instrumentalist. She co-writes most of the songs, and this has always been her dream, so shes really the guiding force of the band. Her partner in crime is Paloma Terrific; Annie and I refer to her as our Johnny Greenwood. Shes also a multi instrumentalist, hes a co-writer, but shes really a gear-head. Not only does she collect gear but she builds her own noisemaking devices, or noise manipulation devices. Rounding out the crew is a mysterious young lady named Ditto, the ban has dubbed her Ditto because she can echo any sound that she hears. She plays lead guitar, but she doesnt use a lot of electronics to manipulate the sound of her guitar. Shes able to somehow do it without electronics. Shes quiet, withdrawn, but is an incredible musician, probably the best musician of the band.
Wu: I am so pumped for everyone to meet these bandmates because Ive had so much fun working on their look and their attitude and their body language. So I guess well start with Lord Byron for all of them, theyre kind of 80s, sort of Frankensteind together creations of all my favorite performers and musicians. Lord Byron is sort of a mix of David Bowies Thin White Duke era and Grace Jones, minus some of that severity but still some of that really super cool kind of androgynous sort of look. So shes really stylish in that way, shes very structured.
Then our Johnny Greenwood-type, I totally just made a female version of Johnny Greenwood because I love that whole slouching behind equipment and all of his hair all over his face while hes rocking out. I think thats so cool. And Ditto, I wanted some mysterious, quiet quality, but there is this element of intensity to her, so I tried channelling grind a little bit and then various performance artists. Its all my favorite stuff, but I get to put into these character. Hopefully people can really read that from the page, that Im trying to make them be amalgamations of all these things that I love.
MTV: Can you tell us a little more about who her antagonist in the series is and how thats going to play out?
Fletcher: What we can tell you is that Dinah might be a young woman, but she has a dangerous past. Though this is sort of a new day for her, a new career, a new start, she cant really escape her past. And its a dangerous one, and it crops up at the most inconvenient times like, say, when youre in the middle of a set. So she often finds that the music has to take a backseat to protecting her bandmates and protecting the crowds. Its maybe why the band is getting a bad reputation as the most dangerous band in the world! But she doesnt know if theres anything she can do about it, and what were going to do in this first arc is explore exactly what that means. And I cant reveal who the antagonists are exactly outside of a host of extremely upset musicians who probably want revenge for ruining their gigs and destroying their equipment.
Wu: Its also been kind of interesting drawing her fighting all the musicians in alleys and bar brawl-style fights, because shes a superhero and these are just angry punk rockers! So theyre not really much of a match for her.
MTV: Yeah, it seems like shes got these guys down.
Fletcher: She used to be known as the DC universes number one martial artist, on par with Batman. And nobodys really been talking about that lately, so were gonna bring that back as one of the main elements of who Dinah Lance is. And as Annie says, she cant really show her stuff facing off against angry musicians, but her [main] antagonists in this will most likely be a lot more skilled than the bass player from a death metal band.
Fletcher: What we can tell you is that Dinah might be a young woman, but she has a dangerous past. Though this is sort of a new day for her, a new career, a new start, she cant really escape her past. And its a dangerous one, and it crops up at the most inconvenient times like, say, when youre in the middle of a set. So she often finds that the music has to take a backseat to protecting her bandmates and protecting the crowds. Its maybe why the band is getting a bad reputation as the most dangerous band in the world! But she doesnt know if theres anything she can do about it, and what were going to do in this first arc is explore exactly what that means. And I cant reveal who the antagonists are exactly outside of a host of extremely upset musicians who probably want revenge for ruining their gigs and destroying their equipment.
Wu: Its also been kind of interesting drawing her fighting all the musicians in alleys and bar brawl-style fights, because shes a superhero and these are just angry punk rockers! So theyre not really much of a match for her.
MTV: Yeah, it seems like shes got these guys down.
Fletcher: She used to be known as the DC universes number one martial artist, on par with Batman. And nobodys really been talking about that lately, so were gonna bring that back as one of the main elements of who Dinah Lance is. And as Annie says, she cant really show her stuff facing off against angry musicians, but her [main] antagonists in this will most likely be a lot more skilled than the bass player from a death metal band.
MTV: Black Canarys had a long comic book history, and now people also have the version from Arrow in their heads as well. How does your version of Dinah fit in to all this?
Fletcher: I think it comes in the personality. You can look to the Arrow TV show and see how the character is played there, and sure the circumstances are different but the personality should be the same. Some of the looks should resonate. Annie and I are leaning more towards the traditional, iconic look of the character with the leather jacket and fishnets, as opposed to the Arrow all-leather street fight-ready battle outfit. But I think the soul and the spirit of the person underneath the outfit and in the different circumstances should feel similar. In time, I think there will be familiar elements in the story that make things kind of even out a bit more.
Wu: Things that are iconic to the character, were trying to pay respect to that while also delivering a more youthful and rough around the edges version of her. But at her core, her values, the way that she works with other people, I think were trying to stay true to that.
Fletcher
ur primary goal here is fun, and were trying to put her in really fun and new and exciting circumstances. Stuff that youve never seen before, and watching how that character rolls with it. shes not a stage performer, shes an ex-military martial arts expert slash crime fighter and shes thrust on stage because she just happened to have a killer voice. Shes got a dangerous past and how does she roll with all this? Probably by kicking butt! Thats what she does bes
Fletcher: I think it comes in the personality. You can look to the Arrow TV show and see how the character is played there, and sure the circumstances are different but the personality should be the same. Some of the looks should resonate. Annie and I are leaning more towards the traditional, iconic look of the character with the leather jacket and fishnets, as opposed to the Arrow all-leather street fight-ready battle outfit. But I think the soul and the spirit of the person underneath the outfit and in the different circumstances should feel similar. In time, I think there will be familiar elements in the story that make things kind of even out a bit more.
Wu: Things that are iconic to the character, were trying to pay respect to that while also delivering a more youthful and rough around the edges version of her. But at her core, her values, the way that she works with other people, I think were trying to stay true to that.
Fletcher
ur primary goal here is fun, and were trying to put her in really fun and new and exciting circumstances. Stuff that youve never seen before, and watching how that character rolls with it. shes not a stage performer, shes an ex-military martial arts expert slash crime fighter and shes thrust on stage because she just happened to have a killer voice. Shes got a dangerous past and how does she roll with all this? Probably by kicking butt! Thats what she does besMTV: So its kind of moving away from the style were used to?
Fletcher: I wouldnt say that its moving away from [anything] so much as its expanding into a variety of styles and genres. The North American comic book industry is becoming more like the comic book industries in other parts of the world, where its more acceptable to tell stories about people who play tennis or work at a hospital for a living. Its not all superheroes, its not all guys all the time. And this is just the beginning I think that were in a kind of renaissance right now and were gonna see amazing, amazing work over the next few years.
Wu: I feel like people have really made an effort to let these companies know that there is an audience for all sorts of books, and so people are definitely opening up to different kinds of stories with different kinds of characters. Its really amazing. Even different styles I feel like were in an incredible time for that.
MTV: Are we going to see any guest stars in the series?
Fletcher: Youre not going to see anyone in the first few issues, but Annie and I have been talking to Chris Conroy, our editor, and there all ideas for really fun crossovers later on.
Wu: Actually, in #1 theres a fun appearance by someone who I think a lot of readers of our book will recognize, who works very closely with the band.
Fletcher: Oh yeah! Thats a whole character that weve brought from a whole other book to our book! I was like, what are you talking about?
Wu: Let me remind you, youre the writer of the book!
Fletcher: Creator of said character! [laughs] See, thats what happens when you spend your morning on a train. Im the Dinah Lance of our comic at the moment, touring around. I just beat up a couple bad guys on my way back to my Montreal Apartment.
Fletcher: I wouldnt say that its moving away from [anything] so much as its expanding into a variety of styles and genres. The North American comic book industry is becoming more like the comic book industries in other parts of the world, where its more acceptable to tell stories about people who play tennis or work at a hospital for a living. Its not all superheroes, its not all guys all the time. And this is just the beginning I think that were in a kind of renaissance right now and were gonna see amazing, amazing work over the next few years.
Wu: I feel like people have really made an effort to let these companies know that there is an audience for all sorts of books, and so people are definitely opening up to different kinds of stories with different kinds of characters. Its really amazing. Even different styles I feel like were in an incredible time for that.
MTV: Are we going to see any guest stars in the series?
Fletcher: Youre not going to see anyone in the first few issues, but Annie and I have been talking to Chris Conroy, our editor, and there all ideas for really fun crossovers later on.
Wu: Actually, in #1 theres a fun appearance by someone who I think a lot of readers of our book will recognize, who works very closely with the band.
Fletcher: Oh yeah! Thats a whole character that weve brought from a whole other book to our book! I was like, what are you talking about?
Wu: Let me remind you, youre the writer of the book!
Fletcher: Creator of said character! [laughs] See, thats what happens when you spend your morning on a train. Im the Dinah Lance of our comic at the moment, touring around. I just beat up a couple bad guys on my way back to my Montreal Apartment.
Actually, its funny. Annie and I come from these performance backgrounds, so this book is kind of based in our lives in a way. We had this really hilarious conversation where we both realized that we did performances of Rocky Horror Picture Show, so weve both worn fishnets ourselves.
MTV: Wait, as WHO? Thats amazing.
Wu: I was Magenta so not the main fishnets person, but I definitely had to wear fishnets. This was in a past life, its so long ago, I dont think most people know.
Fletcher: Mine too, nobody knows about this yet, but now its gonna be on MTV! I played Frank N. Furter. I went all out! I wore fishnets and high heels.
Wu: I think this was after we agreed to work on the book together, right?
Fletcher: Thats true. Our first conversations were all about Bowie. So Im really surprised that our entire cast of characters arent just analogs of the different eras of Bowie.
MTV: So given that this book is all about bands and music, if you guys were going to start a band, who would you want in it with you?
Wu: Oh god, such a can of worms! Is this like a magical world where Im actually musically talented and not a complete nightmare at karaoke? I guess my supergroup would have to include Jarvis Cocker way out in the front cuz I just love watching him, and then Azalea Banks, I want to throw her in somewhere.
Fletcher:Are you just making a band full of front people?
Wu: And nobody performs or plays any instruments, its just front people! Maybe itll just be a three person group with them and me, cuz theres no reason for us to ever collaborate but I would love to work with them in some way. Maybe I can play the tambourine.
Fletcher: Mine would be a lot of noise makers, like Johnny Greenwood. I really want to be in a band with Tim Hecker. I want Tim Hecker to create this soundtrack for my life with me, thats sort of my dream gig. But I know that he would just turn me down. I think I have a better shot at getting in a band with Johnny Greenwood.
Wu: Wait, can I change my answer? My band would just be Prince and the Revolution, his band in Purple Rain, but Im there. Thats my dream band. Its just that band, plus me on tambourine.
Fletcher: Oh, you know what? I want to be in Annies Prince and the Revolution band just for Wendy and Lisa, who are geniuses. Yeah. I could just be in a band with Wendy and Lisa, that would be amazing.
Check out the full info on Black Canary #1, which hits shelves on June 17, below!
Black Canary #1
Written by BRENDEN FLETCHER
Art by ANNIE WU
Cover by ANNIE WU
Variant cover by BABS TARR
On sale JUNE 17 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
Dinah Lance hits the road! After years as a soldier and vigilante, the LAST place Dinah saw herself is on stage but shes quickly learning shed die to protect the gang of misfits shes fallen into. And she just might have to for some reason, the newly rechristened band Black Canary seems to be a magnet for trouble and Dinahs not gonna believe it when she finds out the reason why! Martial arts, super-spies, and rock n roll combine, from Brenden Fletcher (BATGIRL) and Annie Wu (Hawkeye)!
Plus, as a special treat, heres the covers to issue two and the exclusive cover to issue #3:
MTV: Wait, as WHO? Thats amazing.
Wu: I was Magenta so not the main fishnets person, but I definitely had to wear fishnets. This was in a past life, its so long ago, I dont think most people know.
Fletcher: Mine too, nobody knows about this yet, but now its gonna be on MTV! I played Frank N. Furter. I went all out! I wore fishnets and high heels.
Wu: I think this was after we agreed to work on the book together, right?
Fletcher: Thats true. Our first conversations were all about Bowie. So Im really surprised that our entire cast of characters arent just analogs of the different eras of Bowie.
MTV: So given that this book is all about bands and music, if you guys were going to start a band, who would you want in it with you?
Wu: Oh god, such a can of worms! Is this like a magical world where Im actually musically talented and not a complete nightmare at karaoke? I guess my supergroup would have to include Jarvis Cocker way out in the front cuz I just love watching him, and then Azalea Banks, I want to throw her in somewhere.
Fletcher:Are you just making a band full of front people?
Wu: And nobody performs or plays any instruments, its just front people! Maybe itll just be a three person group with them and me, cuz theres no reason for us to ever collaborate but I would love to work with them in some way. Maybe I can play the tambourine.
Fletcher: Mine would be a lot of noise makers, like Johnny Greenwood. I really want to be in a band with Tim Hecker. I want Tim Hecker to create this soundtrack for my life with me, thats sort of my dream gig. But I know that he would just turn me down. I think I have a better shot at getting in a band with Johnny Greenwood.
Wu: Wait, can I change my answer? My band would just be Prince and the Revolution, his band in Purple Rain, but Im there. Thats my dream band. Its just that band, plus me on tambourine.
Fletcher: Oh, you know what? I want to be in Annies Prince and the Revolution band just for Wendy and Lisa, who are geniuses. Yeah. I could just be in a band with Wendy and Lisa, that would be amazing.
Check out the full info on Black Canary #1, which hits shelves on June 17, below!
Black Canary #1
Written by BRENDEN FLETCHER
Art by ANNIE WU
Cover by ANNIE WU
Variant cover by BABS TARR
On sale JUNE 17 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
Dinah Lance hits the road! After years as a soldier and vigilante, the LAST place Dinah saw herself is on stage but shes quickly learning shed die to protect the gang of misfits shes fallen into. And she just might have to for some reason, the newly rechristened band Black Canary seems to be a magnet for trouble and Dinahs not gonna believe it when she finds out the reason why! Martial arts, super-spies, and rock n roll combine, from Brenden Fletcher (BATGIRL) and Annie Wu (Hawkeye)!
Plus, as a special treat, heres the covers to issue two and the exclusive cover to issue #3:
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BLACK CANARY #3
Written by BRENDEN FLETCHER
Art and cover by ANNIE WU
1:25 Variant cover by DAVE BULLOCK
On sale AUGUST 19 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US RATED T
Retailers: This issue will ship with two covers. Please see the order form for details.
Black Canarys worst nightmare has come true: child prodigy Ditto has been kidnapped! But the perp isnt your average criminal mastermind
Written by BRENDEN FLETCHER
Art and cover by ANNIE WU
1:25 Variant cover by DAVE BULLOCK
On sale AUGUST 19 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US RATED T
Retailers: This issue will ship with two covers. Please see the order form for details.
Black Canarys worst nightmare has come true: child prodigy Ditto has been kidnapped! But the perp isnt your average criminal mastermind
Brenden Fletcher noted how she's "clearly sculpted to hold a microphone" LOL
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Sculpted by M.I.C. from a design by Shunya Yama****a, the 9.5-inch statue depicts the character in a her classic costume, standing triumphant on the field of battle, reaching for the stars (although she looks more like shes getting ready to yawn).
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Sculpted by M.I.C. from a design by Shunya Yama****a, the 9.5-inch statue depicts the character in a her classic costume, standing triumphant on the field of battle, reaching for the stars (although she looks more like shes getting ready to yawn).
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He went to the party as "Robin Hood", but the attire was clearly a nod to his traditional comic look.
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I think it was Louis who posted this image on the other thread. I always thought, when I saw this image, that they were having a flashback to the costume party that Laurel mentioned on season 1 when she was wearing "those horrible fishnets"....
He went to the party as "Robin Hood", but the attire was clearly a nod to his traditional comic look.
I always thought those gloves and armbands looked a bit out of place there.
Yeah well it's just that they appear to made from leather, while the rest of the outfit is not.
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Any other pictures of her in fishnets luis?
I think it was Louis who posted this image on the other thread. I always thought, when I saw this image, that they were having a flashback to the costume party that Laurel mentioned on season 1 when she was wearing "those horrible fishnets"....
t:Any other pictures of her in fishnets luis?
http://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/35m6up/no_spoilers_black_canary_movie_confirmed/
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