Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 3

[Primal Slayer]

-Birds of Prey
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Adorable!

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I know they want a bird of prey but who know if it will ever happen? I could see it in LOT?

 

[O'Haire]

I'd love for Thea/Sara/Laurel to spinoff into Birds of Prey. That would mean the characters I still like would have their own series and I wouldn't have to watch Arrow anymore.

 

[regnak]

I'd love for Thea/Sara/Laurel to spinoff into Birds of Prey. That would mean the characters I still like would have their own series and I wouldn't have to watch Arrow anymore.

What he said.

 

[Paradox1]

I'd add vixen to that group

 

[Primal Slayer]

 

[AspieXLDS]

Was that at the recent con? Because it kind of paints that one Twitterist's commentary on Katie's attitude as definitely having been less about the show and more about the person asking the questions.

 

[Primal Slayer]

It's from todays con. Though having general fan interaction, especially with little kids is a lot different from interviews/questions.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Mini Flash and the Black canary.......too bad we never will see that live

 

[AspieXLDS]

It's from todays con. Though having general fan interaction, especially with little kids is a lot different from interviews/questions.

*snorts* I don't consider a person who runs a Twitter account named "Felicity's Arrow" a valid interviewer or entertainment reporter. I'll wait for the reports from actual entertainment sites like SHH, KSite, Comic Book Resource, etc.

 

[Boy Scout]

 

[Primal Slayer]

Welp...Katie went and dyed her hair brown (officially this time) again. I just need this season to hurry up and get over with so I can finish my mourning and move on!

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Welp...Katie went and dyed her hair brown (officially this time) again. I just need this season to hurry up and get over with so I can finish my mourning and move on!

Hmm. This seems suspicious but it doesn't confirm it for sure. Ginnifer Goodwin has had her hair dyed white between filming seasons of Once Upon a Time, only to have it black again by the time the show filmed, and then (IIRC) back to white once done filming. Katie may just want her hair brown during the break. I'm not taking this as fact (though, again, it seems heavy).

 

[Primal Slayer]

They arent done filming this season though.

 

[AspieXLDS]

Could also be more flashbacks, or perhaps she is finally realizing (or been told) that the wig was a better identity concealment so the character is having the dual identity element coming back into play: brunette for Laurel Lance, blonde wig for Black Canary.

In the end, we won't know for sure until Episodes 18-19. Anyone else find it amusing that "leaked photos" are absent now that a post-death episode is filming? One would expect to hear about new leaked photos "confirming" someone missing from the set.

Oh, one other possibility: something missing from the early seasons has been the appearance of 'ghosts' who drive the story forward. We started seeing that again. Perhaps she is contracted through the rest of the season as a ghost?

 

[SpideyVille]

Just saw the latest photo she posted of herself ..... Yeahhh, I'm done with this show.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Oh, one other possibility: something missing from the early seasons has been the appearance of 'ghosts' who drive the story forward. We started seeing that again. Perhaps she is contracted through the rest of the season as a ghost?

Remember Tommy's ghost in S2 that inspired Oliver to get up and fight Cyrus Gold? One of my favorite moments from early in that season. If Laurel really does die, she'd best have some similar appearances. Remember in NCIS S3 when Kate had just died, and she appeared to all of the cast individually as a ghost? Love if that happened in Arrow, if it is Laurel who's dead.

Just saw the latest photo she posted of herself ..... Yeahhh, I'm done with this show.

It's unfortunate so many feel this way; the writers have had some major malfunction going on the past two seasons to write what was once the best superhero show on TV into this kind of hole. I'm not done with it, because I believe it will rise again, but killing off Black Canary? Yeah, it's definitely a mistake.

 

[AspieXLDS]

Remember Tommy's ghost in S2 that inspired Oliver to get up and fight Cyrus Gold? One of my favorite moments from early in that season. If Laurel really does die, she'd best have some similar appearances. Remember in NCIS S3 when Kate had just died, and she appeared to all of the cast individually as a ghost? Love if that happened in Arrow, if it is Laurel who's dead.



It's unfortunate so many feel this way; the writers have had some major malfunction going on the past two seasons to write what was once the best superhero show on TV into this kind of hole. I'm not done with it, because I believe it will rise again, but killing off Black Canary? Yeah, it's definitely a mistake.

That's pretty much where I was going with the idea of her being a ghost. They said that the death would have an affect leading up through to the finale. Seeing the ghost/hallucination of the person they lost would do it.

Of course, my personal pet theory to explain Katie's more frequent absences (if she is indeed still on the show) is that whatever kills the person in the grave also puts Laurel into a coma. If she's not, and they did kill her, it will just mean I won't take this show seriously as a comic book adaptation anymore, even if it has 'based on characters from DC Comics' in its credits.

But in the end, for me, I started watching to see Oliver's journey, both in the present and the past. I just will wait a few days so I don't contribute to their ratings too much before I watch an episode. Well, that's if my Season Pass on Amazon contributes to their ratings at all... if not I'll just watch it the next day.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

There's also the idea of maybe bringing in E-2 Laurel. They said the death would be permanent, but this way Laurel would certainly be dead, and yet still around. They could even end the season showing a quiet street, park, or warehouse, and suddenly there's a blue flash and a figure wearing black clothes and dark blue jacket does the "cliché superhero landing crouch," hair covering her face. She looks up, revealing her to be Laurel, and the season ends. It'd be kind of like Once Upon a Time's S3 ending abruptly with Elsa appearing.

If they did this, it'd provide the opportunity for a more comic-accurate Black Canary: have her say "I never use my middle name; I go by Dinah" when she meets Team Arrow; give her a comic-accurate outfit like I mentioned above; make her Canary Cry a meta-human ability rather than a collar; and so on. It'd certainly be unexpected but welcome, IMO.

And I do like the idea of Laurel being put in a coma when this person dies as an explanation for her absence. It's a great idea. Maybe Merlyn goes after Samantha and William again, Laurel and Oliver try to defend them, and get split up: Oliver with William and Laurel with Samantha. Merlyn kills Samantha and during the fight Laurel is put in a coma. Something like that.

 

[Boy Scout]

Oy, Flash. Because of it, every time we think someone's about to die, someone suggests that their E2 counterpart should cross over to E1 and assume their counterpart's identity.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Oy, Flash. Because of it, every time we think someone's about to die, someone suggests that their E2 counterpart should cross over to E1 and assume their counterpart's identity.

Yeah, but hey, in this case it works.

 

[AspieXLDS]

There's also the idea of maybe bringing in E-2 Laurel. They said the death would be permanent, but this way Laurel would certainly be dead, and yet still around. They could even end the season showing a quiet street, park, or warehouse, and suddenly there's a blue flash and a figure wearing black clothes and dark blue jacket does the "cliché superhero landing crouch," hair covering her face. She looks up, revealing her to be Laurel, and the season ends. It'd be kind of like Once Upon a Time's S3 ending abruptly with Elsa appearing.

If they did this, it'd provide the opportunity for a more comic-accurate Black Canary: have her say "I never use my middle name; I go by Dinah" when she meets Team Arrow; give her a comic-accurate outfit like I mentioned above; make her Canary Cry a meta-human ability rather than a collar; and so on. It'd certainly be unexpected but welcome, IMO.

And I do like the idea of Laurel being put in a coma when this person dies as an explanation for her absence. It's a great idea. Maybe Merlyn goes after Samantha and William again, Laurel and Oliver try to defend them, and get split up: Oliver with William and Laurel with Samantha. Merlyn kills Samantha and during the fight Laurel is put in a coma. Something like that.

*snorts* By comic-accurate outfit, I get the feeling you're talking about a certain article of clothing Laurel called "horrible" back in Season 1..

Joking aside, I wouldn't mind it since it would actually fall in line with the showrunners' modus operandi: namely, they will tell us something, and in the end it'll be true, just with a twist we didn't expect. They've done it before. These are people who love lying with the truth (from a certain point of view). When one goes back and looks at their comments in regards to certain things, its easy to find those bits.

On the coma storyline, I believe it would be like that (Laurel defending whoever ends up in the grave), but considering Felicity being all emotional, I don't see her attending the funeral of Samantha (if the Clayton headstone is the headstone for the person in the grave and not one a little further away). She would be emotional at the funeral of William since its a kid.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

*snorts* By comic-accurate outfit, I get the feeling you're talking about a certain article of clothing Laurel called "horrible" back in Season 1..

Actually, I'd prefer they avoid fishnets. Do pants like Sara's Canary outfit, Laurel's normal top, but replace the jacket with an unbuttoned blue leather one.

*Joking aside, I wouldn't mind it since it would actually fall in line with the showrunners' modus operandi: namely, they will tell us something, and in the end it'll be true, just with a twist we didn't expect. They've done it before. These are people who love lying with the truth (from a certain point of view). When one goes back and looks at their comments in regards to certain things, its easy to find those bits.

Yeah, this is my thought on it.

*On the coma storyline, I believe it would be like that (Laurel defending whoever ends up in the grave), but considering Felicity being all emotional, I don't see her attending the funeral of Samantha (if the Clayton headstone is the headstone for the person in the grave and not one a little further away). She would be emotional at the funeral of William since its a kid.

True. There are several explanations for this, though. Felicity's emotions could be more directed at (a) Laurel being in the coma, (b) anger at Darhk or Merlyn for doing something so low as going after the kid and his family again, (c) continuing anger at Oliver, or even (d) the thought of William now growing up without a mother. And that's even without the option of (e) she gets to know Samantha between now and the death or (f) the episode with Felicity in the limo was before they'd decided who died, and they told Felicity to act a certain way without thinking it through. IMO there are a ton of possibilities right now.

 

[O'Haire]

Though nothing is 100% confirmed yet, it's pretty hard to not believe it's her that's killed off. And it pisses me off so much. There are only 3 main characters left on the show that I actually like, and that's Laurel, Thea, and Diggle. And that will be cut down to 2.

If these last batch of episodes don't impress me, I'm ****ing out. Only thing that will get me to watch again will be the crossovers.

 

[AspieXLDS]

Actually, I'd prefer they avoid fishnets. Do pants like Sara's Canary outfit, Laurel's normal top, but replace the jacket with an unbuttoned blue leather one.



Yeah, this is my thought on it.



True. There are several explanations for this, though. Felicity's emotions could be more directed at (a) Laurel being in the coma, (b) anger at Darhk or Merlyn for doing something so low as going after the kid and his family again, (c) continuing anger at Oliver, or even (d) the thought of William now growing up without a mother. And that's even without the option of (e) she gets to know Samantha between now and the death or (f) the episode with Felicity in the limo was before they'd decided who died, and they told Felicity to act a certain way without thinking it through. IMO there are a ton of possibilities right now.

As I said, the fishnets bit was more joking. The one thing I will say that has always impressed me from the showrunners is their willingness to have the outfits of the characters make sense. Oliver's, Sara's, Roy's, Laurel's, Dig's, and Thea's outfits, as well as the outfits of all the villains, have been well-thought out and designed. I agree with your idea for the 'upgrade', so to speak.

You make some excellent points I hadn't considered, beyond the last one (which I think is the most likely, that they still hadn't made the final decision and just told EBR to act broken up).