Restricting people's autonomy, their right to choose, can be a form of punishment. You need a good justification for doing this.
I liken it to the homosexuality debate. Whether or not homosexuality is a choice has nothing to do with homosexuality being moral. If it could be shown that homosexuality was a choice, it would be a form of punishment to people that wish to partake in homosexuality to make it illegal.
How would marijuana cause someone to go out and kill?
You mean like caffeine, sleeping tablets, anti-depressants?
Drugs don't bring any benefits to society? Medicinal or otherwise?
Don't you think your logic could be applied to a wide array of things?
The world would be safer without cars. Let's ban cars. The world would be safer without fatty foods. Let's ban fatty foods.
Objectively, marijuana is safer than both.
It really shouldn't be up to you. You think drugs are bad? Fine, don't take them. You need to have more respect for the autonomy of other people.
Let me try to respond to some of the things that you may have misunderstood.
I never said that marijuana would make anyone go out and kill. I said that "we do not know that they will not go out and kill or do whatever." "Do whatever" was the real focus of the line and this was directly in response to MessiahDecoy's post which said "
It won't kill them like the millions who die smoking cigarettes ANNUALLY. They won't rape, fight, or speed recklessly like drunks do on alcohol every minute of every day."
I simply exchanged one crime and "do whatever" for the crimes that he listed.
I hope you can see what I mean there.
While you are making a connection between banning cars and banning marijuana, I would certainly argue that cars are EXTREMELY valuable in society for regular daily transportation and obviously extreme situations like ambulances, fire trucks and so on.
I know that some will argue that marijuana is valuable as a medicine and other things and has a legitimate place in society. I simply disagree with that, but I certainly understand that there are people who believe that and some who use it in a way that is useful to them. Again, this is my belief, my opinion.
To that topic, I repeatedly said in my post that "its my belief" "I would say" and so on to try to emphasize that this is MY opinion. I dont think my opinion is disrespectful towards the autonomy of others. I am NOT forcing my opinion on anyone, making any laws to disrupt anyone's life, or anything remotely close. I am merely taking part in this dicsussion by stating my very unpopular opinion. I never said anything negative in my post about people who choose to use drugs or anything like that.
It's not an assumption. You realize that most Americans have tried cannabis?
That's over 150 million people. If it was deadly not only would there be dozens of studies stating such those studies would be referenced endlessly by America's prohibitionists. But ultimately medical, economic and social studies support the legalization side of the argument nearly unanimously.
You're second assumption is that:
1) prohibition succeeds at cutting cannabis use by a wide margin when marijuana use has only skyrocketed since it was made illegal.
2) legalization will result in much wider usage. Actually, places that have unofficially legalized cannabis (Portugal and the Netherlands) have seen steady usage or a DROP in usage.
Typically there's a small surge in use then a steady decline once the taboo is gone.
Prohibitionists tend to ignore things like this for some reason.
I never said that a person who smokes marijuana has a good chance of dropping dead (immediately or otherwise). If that has ever happened, it was likely a person with serious health issues or with multiple drugs in their system already or some other anomaly.
Again, I was more speaking to the fact that you seemed to indicate that people who drink go out and do all these bad things and those who use marijuana do not. I would argue that either group probably participates in those activities...maybe one more than the other (percentage wise), maybe not.
In fact, your post said they WONT go out and do those things, as if marijuana users are immune to crime or poor decision making.
Rather than prohibition, I would like to see a society WITHOUT drugs. Yes, my own utopia that I am sure I will get bashed for again, but I base that on my points that I already listed (safer, more productive society).
Until then, I will just have to agree with prohibition. I realize fully that it isnt the best answer...maybe not even a very good one. But I do prefer it to legalization.
I would like to see some of the studies that you mentioned. Not doubting you, but would like to see the numbers and such. Information is power and all.