Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party XI

[Schlosser85]

How that woman was taken seriously by anyone with a functioning brain is something I'll never understand.

I don't think she was taken seriously by anyone with a functioning brain.

 

[Bathead]

Could it be that Romney is the GOP's John Kerry? (heh)

 

[Schlosser85]

A robotic flip flopper?

Kerry's reputation as a flip flopper was partly inflated by the media though (you know, the liberal media that hates Republicans and gives Democrats a free pass ). Bush flip flopped plenty.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Could it be that Romney is the GOP's John Kerry? (heh)

I really think that election 2012 will be a repeat of 2004. An unpopular incumbent is going up against a bland, uninspiring, flip flopping opponent. People will vote against the incumbent just because they hate him, not because they like the challenger.

I do think that 2012 will be a closer race than in 2008. Democrats are not as energized and optimistic of Obama as they were four years ago. I'm curious to see who the Republicans hate more: Romney or Obama. That is what the Republican base is feeling right now: revulsion by both of them. Just like Dems 8 years ago.

 

[WildcatNC]

I really think that election 2012 will be a repeat of 2004. An unpopular incumbent is going up against a bland, uninspiring, flip flopping opponent. People will vote against the incumbent just because they hate him, not because they like the challenger.

I do think that 2012 will be a closer race than in 2008. Democrats are not as energized and optimistic of Obama as they were four years ago. I'm curious to see who the Republicans hate more: Romney or Obama. That is what the Republican base is feeling right now: revulsion by both of them. Just like Dems 8 years ago.

Most conservatives I know would vote for Putin over Obama.


The Dems aren't energized now but there is a chance they might before long. As uninspired as Obama's first four years has been, he is a masterful campaigner. Thats his strength anyway. He may or may not be able to rally the troops, but that is his strength.

 

[SV Fan]

I really think that election 2012 will be a repeat of 2004. An unpopular incumbent is going up against a bland, uninspiring, flip flopping opponent. People will vote against the incumbent just because they hate him, not because they like the challenger.

It should be pointed out Kerry basically was ~100k votes in Ohio away from being President

The Dems aren't energized now but there is a chance they might before long. As uninspired as Obama's first four years has been, he is a masterful campaigner. Thats his strength anyway. He may or may not be able to rally the troops, but that is his strength.

I think what will motivate a lot of people is the far right that is taking over the Republicans is perceived to be radical. Sort of funny Romney's flip flopping might win him a couple votes from people who will say, well he's not Obama but he's really one of them(ie Tea party) so I'll give him a chance

 

[Pagan]

Romney's big fat lie of the day for 4/19

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't think it was the flip-flopping that hurt Kerry as much as him being a punching bag. He would take punches, but never threw them. So not only did he end up looking soft, but attacks like the Swift Boat Vets ended up gaining traction because he didn't do anything in response.

Romney is more of a fighter as shown in how he managed to dismantle Santorum and Gingrich. Romney was on the ropes after South Carolina and he managed to turn the entire race around and pretty much completely destroy Gingrich in the 10 days following. Kerry was afraid to really attack his opponents. Romney thus far hasn't been. Like them or not, negative attacks have been shown to work time and time again.

Even as it was Kerry almost won, and I think he would probably win if that election was in 2012 because the economy is so much worse than what it was in 2004.

 

[Schlosser85]

The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were scumbags.

But Kerry was a little wishy-washy. But I feel like Obama is too, at least once he was in office.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were scumbags.

But Kerry was a little wishy-washy. But I feel like Obama is too, at least once he was in office.

They were. I thought it was disgusting what they did. But Kerry didn't do anything about it until it was too late. That was the problem.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I don't think it was the flip-flopping that hurt Kerry as much as him being a punching bag. He would take punches, but never threw them. So not only did he end up looking soft, but attacks like the Swift Boat Vets ended up gaining traction because he didn't do anything in response.

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That reminds me of a line I heard during that election which stuck with me. A liberal commentator was lamenting Kerry's unwillingness to go on the offensive (or even defensive) during the general. Something akin to "Democrats say we shouldn't have nominated Howard Dean, because he was a loose cannon. But at least he was a cannon." For whatever reason, maybe the fact 9/11 was still relatively recent, Kerry just did not bring it like he should have. A truly disappointing nominee.

 

[Schlosser85]

Dean was too....out there. He really started to give the impression he was coming unhinged over the course of the campaign, like the stress was getting to him or something.

He also said things like "I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for".

He was a good party chairman, IMO, not a Presidential candidate.

But yea Kerry was....too mild-mannered, or something.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think if Hillary Clinton had run in 2004 she would have been president.

 

[enterthemadness]

Now if Gary can just keep on climbing.

http://www.examiner.com/article/pol...te-for-libertarian-gary-johnson-for-president

6% of Rep. would vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson. According to PPP here in NC.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Hillary Clinton is too polarizing. Though she might have done better than Kerry. But then so could a lamppost. Would have been more charismatic too.

 

[chaseter]

Now if Gary can just keep on climbing.

http://www.examiner.com/article/pol...te-for-libertarian-gary-johnson-for-president

6% of Rep. would vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson. According to PPP here in NC.

Gary Johnson will not win. The only thing he could do this cycle is help Obama win.

 

[enterthemadness]

Gary Johnson will not win. The only thing he could do this cycle is help Obama win.

Romney has already lost. Sorry, pal. Only Gary Johnson can beat Obama. IF...IF...he gets included in polls besides PPP and gets 15% in polls and gets to the national debates.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Gary Johnson will not win. The only thing he could do this cycle is help Obama win.

Romney has already lost. Sorry, pal. Only Gary Johnson can beat Obama. IF...IF...he gets included in polls besides PPP and gets 15% in polls and gets to the national debates.

Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Most Republicans wouldn't (and didn't) support Gary Johnson. Not to say he won't get some votes, but he isn't their candidate for a reason.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Hillary Clinton is too polarizing. Though she might have done better than Kerry. But then so could a lamppost. Would have been more charismatic too.

Given how close Kerry came, better than Kerry is pretty much winning the election.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I admit I was using hyperbole. Though that lamppost might have won.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I admit I was using hyperbole. Though that lamppost might have won.

Possibly. My point is that Bush only won in 2004 because the Democrats ran a weak candidate.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Possibly. My point is that Bush only won in 2004 because the Democrats ran a weak candidate.

And I don't disagree. However, Hillary wouldn't have been much better. They just needed an uncontroversial choice who didn't put audiences to sleep.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Romney has already lost.

No he hasn't.

Sorry, pal. Only Gary Johnson can beat Obama. IF...IF...he gets included in polls besides PPP and gets 15% in polls and gets to the national debates.

You still remember that bet we have

 

[echostation]

Mitt Romney will be better for the economy due to his business know how... Obama will be straight and forward but then hide behind the shadows like a Ninja for all other issues. Then he will shift troops from here to there without having much effect. He is essentially just biding time to hand over his current failure in presidency to someone else but wants another term to stake it out and show that he went 8 years without doing many effective things in Allah's name...pbuh (peace be upon him)